The Crusades- Was it worth it?

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The technological and scientific advances shouldn't be accredited to the crusades, they were stolen or rediscovered by them. In comparison to the renaisance they didn't mean shit.

[a real ass]

Originally Posted by Nero18

In a sense of spirituality it wasn't worth it. Back then yes but not anymore. Back then it was the ultimate honor to die in service to god. Look at Christianity now....it's become another avenue to make money. People would deny god now but never ever ever back then. Look at the muslim faith. They still follow there doctrine to the very last sentence. Just as Salah-din did. So in the long run they're the true victor of the crusades.

I say, if you look at the economical advances of the crusades you miss the whole reason of them. The knights Templar were knights first then bankers or whatever there apprenticeship was. Plus they only held on to the belongings of christians going on pilgrimage to keep them safe from bandits on there to jerusalem.

True, the adherents of Islam won in the long run as the Middle East became firmly Islamized at the end of the Crusades with Christainity remaining nothing more than a insignificant faith practiced by a small minority in the shadows.

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The technological and scientific advances shouldn't be accredited to the crusades, they were stolen or rediscovered by them. In comparison to the renaisance they didn't mean shit.

No one said anything about advances. The crusades allowed the spread of knowledge from the middle east to Europe, which was just as good. Windmills and sugar, y'all.

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Personally I dont think it was they should of let the Muslim Turks have it

[a real ass]

Originally Posted by ZackCrisisFFVII

Personally I dont think it was they should of let the Muslim Turks have it

Well...I'm sure if the Crusading effort had all been dumped in the Middle East, what is now most of the Middle East could had been Christian already.

But oh well.

[Vossler]

True

[a real ass]

Originally Posted by ZackCrisisFFVII

True

Plus old Benedict XVI, [s/]old Kraut bastard [s] would be living in Jerusalem and not in Rome.

The Pope originally wanted the Crusaders to give up Jerusalem and the surrounding areas so that the Pope would live and rule his own theocratic kingdom in the Levant while he would give finanical and military support to the Crusaders to capture Egypt instead.

[Square Ninja]

Originally Posted by ikkuh2

The technological and scientific advances shouldn't be accredited to the crusades, they were stolen or rediscovered by them. In comparison to the renaisance they didn't mean shit.

The Renaissance wouldn't have happened if it weren't for the knowledge brought back from the Holy Land.

[a real ass]

Originally Posted by Square Ninja

The Renaissance wouldn't have happened if it weren't for the knowledge brought back from the Holy Land.

I guess you discredit the advances in mathematics, sciences, culture, literature and other fields in Islamic-ruled Spain aka Al-Andalus that filtered to the Christian kingdoms in Iberia and the rest of Western Europe before the Crusades.

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I guess you discredit the advances in mathematics, sciences, culture, literature and other fields in Islamic-ruled Spain aka Al-Andalus that filtered to the Christian kingdoms in Iberia and the rest of Western Europe before the Crusades.

wasn't that minuscule compared to the crusades knowledge?




btw, do you actually battle the Mongolians or you you auto-resolve?

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Originally Posted by Ziz

I guess you discredit the advances in mathematics, sciences, culture, literature and other fields in Islamic-ruled Spain aka Al-Andalus that filtered to the Christian kingdoms in Iberia and the rest of Western Europe before the Crusades.

Mathematics and science flourished because of renewed interest in the classical greek and roman culture, something not encountered in the middle east. Advances in those fields were highly critisized by the church and the scientists involved were burned to the ground by the church.

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Mathematics and science flourished because of renewed interest in the classical greek and roman culture, something not encountered in the middle east. Advances in those fields were highly critisized by the church and the scientists involved were burned to the ground by the church.

Funny, my history textbook says the church was a big fan of Socrates and the like.

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Socrates was a philosopher, so it isn't that strange. After all, philosophy can be so vague, you can use it however you like.

[a real ass]

Originally Posted by violent_anger

wasn't that minuscule compared to the crusades knowledge?




btw, do you actually battle the Mongolians or you you auto-resolve?

Easily could had been obtained from visitors from the Islamic ruled territories in Spain.

Yes, you do actually battle the Mongols and they spawn in the following three areas: southern Russia, Georgia, and central Iraq. Two armies appear in the first turn they appear which is soon followed by five more armies and are supplemented two or three more times with eight armies each. The Timurids also arrive to invade the region as soon as the Mongols are defeated.

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The flood of knowledge was due to the crusades defeating the moors though. of course it would have all trickled in...eventually.



I know the mongols appear, but when you enter a battle with them, do you, Ziz, actually go into battle or just auto-resolve?

Also, the timurads come in no matter what, as long as gunpowder has been developed.