Tolerance on fictional kiddie pr0nz

[Ulti]

Alright. So let us assume the man made a flip book of the same material. Or how about the book was a cartoon he made. Or hell, let it be a video. The man wasn't going to show it to anyone. It was for his own purposes. Do you still think it is alright for him to be doing it?

[Phoenix]

Alright. So let us assume the man made a flip book of the same material. Or how about the book was a cartoon he made. Or hell, let it be a video. The man wasn't going to show it to anyone. It was for his own purposes. Do you still think it is alright for him to be doing it?

If no children were actually involved? It's weird, but it'd be a violation of his rights (and downright disgusting) to jail him or punish him over it.

Fantasies can sometimes be the most dangerous things to lead you to act on something. this man could very easily if he continued doing this start doing other things. every thing major starts with something small. its this kinda stuff that leads to major pedo's

That's as silly as saying playing GTA leads to crime. Should we ban GTA?

yeah, ok so far pedophilia and incest. I still don't get how people can say this guy was OK.

Uh, we're saying he never hurt anyone. In fact, cheese offends me. I'm going to kill the fuck out of everyone who eats cheese.

I can be arbitrary too.

yeah except maybe that those are signs of a twisted mind which could further lead to, you know, actually doing somethign everyone would consider unnacceptable

Please don't use the "slippery slope" argument. We could apply that to everything.


GET THIS IN YOUR HEADS. NOBODY IS DEFENDING CHILD ABUSE. WE ARE SAYING THAT IF YOU'RE WILLING TO JAIL SOMEONE WITH A WEIRD MENTAL FANTASY, THAT HAS NEVER ACTUALLY TOUCHED A CHILD, THEN YOU HAVE NO REGARD FOR HUMAN RIGHTS.

/endrant

[Gildragon]

ok I can see your point there. however its not against human rights if there is a law and he willfully broke it.


it is in fact Child pornography
he knew it and said it was.
there are laws against it.
he knowingly and willingly went against that law

whether or not the law should be there is beside the point. the point is he broke it

[Phoenix]

ok I can see your point there. however its not against human rights if there is a law and he willfully broke it.


it is in fact Child pornography
he knew it and said it was.
there are laws against it.
he knowingly and willingly went against that law

whether or not the law should be there is beside the point. the point is he broke it

Oh, I'm aware it's illegal, and whether it should be or not is a discussion for another day.

It's more the general attitude of thread I'm debating against. Most of you seem to imply that, not only is it legal (which it is), but that it's fair. It isn't fair, nowhere near being fair.

[Shadow Soldier]

Originally Posted by Ulti

Alright. So let us assume the man made a flip book of the same material. Or how about the book was a cartoon he made. Or hell, let it be a video. The man wasn't going to show it to anyone. It was for his own purposes. Do you still think it is alright for him to be doing it?

Except when you're taking a video, you're actually putting real children in it. In a cartoon/flip book, it's made up.
Completely different.

[krexia]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

I would argue that pedophilia isn't wrong; child abuse is. Let's not get into thought crime, please.

This. Exactly this.

Originally Posted by meertallica

If you knew someone who fancied kids, you'd think he was a bit of a freak, wouldn't you? Eurgh *shudder*

Sure. I also think that people who are sexually attracted to animals are kind of freaks. But so long as they don't act on their desires and actually abuse real animals or children, they're not harming anyone, and I don't have a problem with them. Do we punish people for writing stories about murdering their boss? What about high school kids who buy "Death Note" notebooks and write down the names of people they want to die?

Originally Posted by meertallica

I didn't say thinking about it should be illegal, not once did I say that, I said it's freaking creepy.

In that case I don't see how your comments have any relevance to the topic. The issue has nothing to do with whether we think it's "freaking creepy" to be attracted to children. The question is whether it's right to punish a man who has harmed no-one.

Originally Posted by Gildragon

Fantasies can sometimes be the most dangerous things to lead you to act on something. this man could very easily if he continued doing this start doing other things. every thing major starts with something small. its this kinda stuff that leads to major pedo's

Proof please. If you want to make this point, you're going to need peer-reviewed evidence, not unfounded assumptions, that fantasies and access to pornography leads to an increased likelihood of committing sexual offences.

[meertallica]

This discussion has got beyond anything my mind can cope with, I can't even begin to imagine why people would be ok with someone having sexual thoughts about children.

Yes ok, you can't ban it and it'd be stupid to presume it could be banned, but the fact is it's not natural to think about these things.

Say you had a child, it wouldn't make you feel very comfortable to think there may be some horrible pervert who fantasizes about them. And face it, if a person writes stories, drawings or even thinks about fictional children, it's highly likely that he fantasizes about real ones too.

What I really can't understand is that people on here actually think that is still alright?

[Gildragon]

thats not the argument.

its whether or not the guy should have actually been jailed for it

[Thor.]

Originally Posted by meertallica

ren.

Yes ok, you can't ban it and it'd be stupid to presume it could be banned, but the fact is it's not natural to think about these things.

It actually can be and is banned. Hence the man's jail time.

[Shadow Soldier]

Originally Posted by meertallica

This discussion has got beyond anything my mind can cope with, I can't even begin to imagine why people would be ok with someone having sexual thoughts about children.

Yes ok, you can't ban it and it'd be stupid to presume it could be banned, but the fact is it's not natural to think about these things.

Say you had a child, it wouldn't make you feel very comfortable to think there may be some horrible pervert who fantasizes about them. And face it, if a person writes stories, drawings or even thinks about fictional children, it's highly likely that he fantasizes about real ones too.

What I really can't understand is that people on here actually think that is still alright?

If he's using the stories for his own use and nobody was supposed to see it, I see no problem with it at all.

[Leonard]

Originally Posted by Gildragon

yeah except maybe that those are signs of a twisted mind which could further lead to, you know, actually doing somethign everyone would consider unnacceptable

It might, yeah. But then again, it might not.

Originally Posted by Ulti

Alright. So let us assume the man made a flip book of the same material. Or how about the book was a cartoon he made. Or hell, let it be a video. The man wasn't going to show it to anyone. It was for his own purposes. Do you still think it is alright for him to be doing it?

See: Loli Hentai debate.

Originally Posted by krexia

This. Exactly this.

Isn't Pedophilia often even considered as a sort of disease/mental disorder? Trying to call that wrong is kind of senseless then.

Originally Posted by meertallica

This discussion has got beyond anything my mind can cope with, I can't even begin to imagine why people would be ok with someone having sexual thoughts about children.

It's much less about thinking that it is okay, than it is about thinking that it in itself is not wrong.
Either way, I can't agree with his jail sentence either. Fucking ridiculous, really.

[krexia]

Originally Posted by meertallica

This discussion has got beyond anything my mind can cope with, I can't even begin to imagine why people would be ok with someone having sexual thoughts about children.

Are you seriously saying we should be punishing people for what they think? People think about doing horrible things all the time. They think about cheating on their spouse, or murdering their boss, but last I checked we hadn't made thoughtcrime illegal.

People can think whatever they like, so long as they don't act in such a way as to harm others.

[Shadow Soldier]

That'd be pathetic if they ban thinking..... TALK ABOUT TRYING TO PLAY GOD.

[Phoenix]

This discussion has got beyond anything my mind can cope with, I can't even begin to imagine why people would be ok with someone having sexual thoughts about children.

Ever read 1984? People got jailed for thinking thoughts that the government didn't see as loyal or correct.

Let's not go down that road, please.

[Thor.]

I've never seen someone have to explain a 1984 reference. This is a new low.