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Old May 24th, 2009, 09:02 AM   #1
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Default The Japanese Self-Defense Forces
In other words, the Japanese military.

Following World War 2, some heavy limitations were put in place on Japanese military power, and a new military doctrine was implemented that adhered to the following six principles:

- Maintaining an exclusive defense-oriented policy.
- To avoid becoming a major military power that might pose a threat to the world.
- Refraining from the development of nuclear weapons, and to refuse to allow nuclear weapons inside Japanese territory.
- Ensuring civilian control of the military.
- Maintaining security arrangements with the United States.
- Building up defensive capabilities within moderate limits.

As such, Japan's current military is a unique one in the world. It's soldiers are still counted as civilians, even when in uniform. The entire military is under the command of the Ministry of Defense, which consists again of civil servants. There are no military secrets, no military laws, etc. A Japanese soldier is a standard citizen in every way.

While this of course brings advantages with it, one should wonder if perhaps the time for Japan's military restrictions is over. I sincerely doubt that they would ever become an international threat again, and with angry North Korea looming, Japan might become a key player in a future war with Kim Jong Il's Juche regime.

What do you guys think? Is it time for Japan to be freed from ancient restrictions and expand to standard military capacity? Or should things be kept in place. Personally, I think we should just move on and give Japan the military power it deserves.
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Old May 24th, 2009, 09:08 AM   #2
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I don't think anyone deserves an expansive military. I also don't think the U.S. will allow Japan to have one, because it could be a future "threat".

NKorea is just playing mind games, in my opinion. I don't forsee direct assault being necessary.
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Old May 24th, 2009, 09:20 AM   #3
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I don't think anyone deserves an expansive military. I also don't think the U.S. will allow Japan to have one, because it could be a future "threat".

NKorea is just playing mind games, in my opinion. I don't forsee direct assault being necessary.
Plus, I doubt that the Japanese people would advocate a great degree of government money going into the military and it IS beneficial for the Japanese to have the United States protect them.

One more thing you had forgotten, China and the Koreas won't like Japan re-arming itself.
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Old May 24th, 2009, 06:36 PM   #4
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I also personally think that this needs to change. For crying out loud, doesn't Germany have a military? I could of sworn that I heard that they had one and if they do, then why make an exception for Japan. Honestly, I think that the Japan of WW2 is dead and gone. To deny them their military privilegdes over 60 years later is just stupid. Oh, and if they decide to utilize it to try and get revenge soon after getting it back, then we'll (the US and allied powers) can always just own them again. (maybe not with Nuclear arms again though..) Basically, I think that the only thing that I thing they should be denied of and even that's kind of ify with me is the ability to have nuclear arms. As for a military that goes beyond defending their homeland, I see no wrong. Besides, maybe they could actually help us in War on Terror, on the flipside..
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Old May 24th, 2009, 09:59 PM   #5
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Oh, and if they decide to utilize it to try and get revenge soon after getting it back, then we'll (the US and allied powers) can always just own them again. (maybe not with Nuclear arms again though..)
So if your logic is, "if they attack us again we can just slaughter their innocents again", why should we give them back their rights? That's a bad argument.

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As for a military that goes beyond defending their homeland, I see no wrong.
In what situation would that be justified?

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No, I meant more like "own" them, on a military standpoint, not slaughter their civilians. For us to do that again would be just plain retarded (as it would hurt our reputation in world badly or whatever), in this day and age and I seriously doubt that Obama or the next guy would be another Truman anyways.

As for your second response, I personally believe that every nation deserves the right to have its own military. .. keyword being "right." It doesn't mean that they should have it though.. just that they should have the right.

Oh, and I know that last one was stupid, but it's just a thought.. and by "War on Terror," I'm excluding the current major conflicts.. just the war on terrorism in general.. or in other words, if we run into some issues down the line, Japan having a military that can be allied to us could help out. Another allied nation with a military to help us out could always be a good thing..
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Old May 25th, 2009, 05:11 AM   #7
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It doesn't really need to have military liberty. Those restrictions were placed on Japan mainly by the U.S, and as such the U.S is dedicated to Japan's defense, if I recall correctly. If ever a country outright threatened Japan, it'd have nothing to worry about in terms of defense.

Japan is also a perfect example of economic success. Following Japan's period of modernization, Japanese products were considered shoddy and of extremely poor quality. After the Second World War, Japan had these military restrictions put in place, so far less money went into the military, and much more went into it's economy. Look how that turned out. Japan is still booming. I don't know if you've been to Tokyo lately, but it's a fucking electric city, baby.
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Old May 25th, 2009, 04:39 PM   #8
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It doesn't really need to have military liberty. Those restrictions were placed on Japan mainly by the U.S, and as such the U.S is dedicated to Japan's defense, if I recall correctly. If ever a country outright threatened Japan, it'd have nothing to worry about in terms of defense.

Japan is also a perfect example of economic success. Following Japan's period of modernization, Japanese products were considered shoddy and of extremely poor quality. After the Second World War, Japan had these military restrictions put in place, so far less money went into the military, and much more went into it's economy. Look how that turned out. Japan is still booming. I don't know if you've been to Tokyo lately, but it's a fucking electric city, baby.
So by this logic more countries should depend on the United States for overall defense and use what money could be spent on military expenditures to develop their economy.

Sounds smart.
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Old May 25th, 2009, 04:43 PM   #9
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So by this logic more countries should depend on the United States for overall defense and use what money could be spent on military expenditures to develop their economy.

Sounds smart.
Well no that's ludicrous.

I'm just saying that, because Japan didn't have to worry about spending so much on military (because it basically wasn't allowed to) it had more money to put into the economy.

Ergo if other countries had spent less on military action in the past, perhaps we wouldn't be in the global financial state that we're currently in.
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Well no that's ludicrous.

I'm just saying that, because Japan didn't have to worry about spending so much on military (because it basically wasn't allowed to) it had more money to put into the economy.

Ergo if other countries had spent less on military action in the past, perhaps we wouldn't be in the global financial state that we're currently in.
Would this apply to the United States of America especially?
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Considering we are one of the most powerful countries in the world and just LOVE spending money on military projects, yes. America is a large contributor to this mess.
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Considering we are one of the most powerful countries in the world and just LOVE spending money on military projects, yes. America is a large contributor to this mess.
Considering the fact that the Cold War is over and the War of Terror was pretty much caused by ourselves since the CIA funded the Islamic fundamentalists in Afghanistan when they fought the Soviet Union, wouldn't it be time to begin withdrawing soldiers and decreasing the size of the military deployement overseas.
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Is it time for Japan to be freed from ancient restrictions and expand to standard military capacity?
These restrictions aren't ancient. If anything, they were imposed by the US (there's a reason why Japan's constitution became known as the MacArthur Constitution).
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These restrictions aren't ancient. If anything, they were imposed by the US (there's a reason why Japan's constitution became known as the MacArthur Constitution).
It was either that or have Japan annexed to the US and yes, many in the military and political leadership were considering annexation.
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The idea that Japan can't play well enough with others to have its own army 60 long years after WWII is the height of racism.
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