Lucid Dreaming

[Engulfed]

Yeah. Gaining Lucidity during a nightmare is like, the only way to overcome it!

And it's ok if you don't remember. If you just tell yourself "I will remember my dreams, I will remember my dreams."
You'll remember them.
You have more control over your brain that you think you do =P

[aka_nami]

I think I got these but they cause me to sleep in on school days. So I'm trying not to do it until the school breaks is in. I don't tell myself to do it, I think you just think about it, but don't force yourself.

[MegaFlare]

So everyone! Get out that notebook and start jotting down your dreams and dreamsigns!
Together, we'll head into this vast new land, and whoever gets there first wins =P!

I smell an "Official KHInsider Dream Diary" topic coming, and I like the idea. Whoever wants to create it, I'll sticky it.

[Murasame]

This sounds so cool! I can't wait to give it a try.

[TheMuffinMan]

Wouldn't exploring Lucid Dreaming, which in it's simplest form is basically forcing yourself into a REM-like state where you are close to consciousness during sleep, be in some way harmful?

If you force yourself to be conscious while you're asleep in order to affect your dreams, would that not result in a sort of sleep deprivation? Many people can sleep for hours yet they get no actual rest because stress and REM-state dreaming results in so much brain activity during sleep that the brain is deprived of any actual rest possible from the sleep, leaving the person still tired and restless when they wake up

So if you're doing this Lucid Dreaming training, would you not basically be cheating the sleep system and quite possibly end up sleep depriving yourself, since you'd be restraining your brain from going into the 4th (deepest, most unconsious) stage of sleep?

[i.Organization]

Everytime i go to sleep, i always create my own dream. Though i'm still conscious something bad or unexpected that i hate would happen. Like bloody mary would appear out of no where. I would wake up, but when i try to go back in that dream. Bloody mary would pop up and still be there until i have to create a death for her.

Also it's not just her that would pop up. Monsters would pop up or other stuff or something bad would happen to me. Like a body part would be deformed and when i try to make my body normal it would be difficult. =/ Quite annoying. But it doesn't happen all the time. So that's a good thing.

[Time]

Originally Posted by MegaFlare

I thought everyone already had the ability to do this. I've been doing this all my life unintentionally, I'm usually always able to make my own decisions in dreams, although unable to control anything else in the dream.

I don't know if I'm a special case or what though. When I was a child, I had a condition called Night Terrors. My doctor said it was rare, though I've read it can occur in children sometimes who usually grow out of it, and I believe adults can get it too. Within Night Terrors, you are living a dream/nightmare. You are half awake and half asleep, and nothing can wake you up when you're at this stage. Supposedly, most of the time you cannot remember Night Terrors, but I seem to distinctly remember two of them I had. I remember my mother used to carry me to the car and try to drive around to wake me up, it did not help. Quoted from wikipedia:



Anyway, in all, I've never had a problem getting lucid dreams, I thought everyone has them.

I had night terrors as a child also. My mother said at least three times a week I'd have them from when i was bron to about 5 years old. I don't remember any though.

On Lucid Dreaming, I have become lucid plenty of times before. Though, most of the time I have to keep reminding myself I'm dreaming. I also see myself in third person view, which is odd. Melting walls, lifting people, etc. is still fun to do no matter what.

Wouldn't exploring Lucid Dreaming, which in it's simplest form is basically forcing yourself into a REM-like state where you are close to consciousness during sleep, be in some way harmful?

If you force yourself to be conscious while you're asleep in order to affect your dreams, would that not result in a sort of sleep deprivation? Many people can sleep for hours yet they get no actual rest because stress and REM-state dreaming results in so much brain activity during sleep that the brain is deprived of any actual rest possible from the sleep, leaving the person still tired and restless when they wake up

So if you're doing this Lucid Dreaming training, would you not basically be cheating the sleep system and quite possibly end up sleep depriving yourself, since you'd be restraining your brain from going into the 4th (deepest, most unconsious) stage of sleep?

No, because as your brain comes out of the dream state, your dream ends altogether. I personally have never been able to stop that. So, your still in the REM state for as long as you would be for a regular dream.

[TheMuffinMan]

But isn't the whole point to force the REM-state sleep for a longer period of time, or atleast be in it with a higher state of consciousness/awareness than normal, so you are able to affect what is happening in the dream?

Typical REM-state sleep can take place anywhere up to 2 hours of your total sleep, so if you're forcing REM-state sleep for this Lucid Dream training, or trying to achieve a higher state of awareness while sleeping for it, then essentially you're losing 2 hours of sleep every time you do so. Maybe moreso, since the whole point is to avoid going into the deepest state of sleep where the most resting and unconsciousness takes place

Now I don't claim to be an expert on this Lucid Dream stuff, but I do have a slight knowledge of how sleeping works (Have a mild sleep disorder myself and having been to a Sleep Clinic for diagnostic purposes), but I get the gist of it and in all honestly I doubt it is entirely healthy to be doing for a prolonged period of time

[Josiah]

0.0;; I wanna have a Lucid Dream! >.<;;

I remember, when I was younger I used to have them randomly... there was this one dream (I was bout 5, and I'll never forget it) I woke up in this HUGE Milk glass, and the milk started to fill the glass (T.T; Weird I know, just bear with me) And i thought i was gonna drown or something... Then i think I wanted to shatter the glass, so I tapped it with my finger, and it shattered and I woke up o.O

I Remember it clearly, and I Remember actually controlling what I did... I guess when you get older, you can loose the ability to do it...

^Dunno, that could've been a 'Night Terror' I'm not really sure =/ But all I know, is when I had woke up, I was Kinda freaked to the point where I was like... Spazzing o.O

[Deeman]

Originally Posted by Josiah

0.0;; I wanna have a Lucid Dream! >.<;;

I remember, when I was younger I used to have them randomly... there was this one dream (I was bout 5, and I'll never forget it) I woke up in this HUGE Milk glass, and the milk started to fill the glass (T.T; Weird I know, just bear with me) And i thought i was gonna drown or something... Then i think I wanted to shatter the glass, so I tapped it with my fingernail, and it shattered and I woke up o.O

I Remember it clearly, and I Remember actually controlling what I did... I guess when you get older, you can loose the ability to do it...

^Dunno, that could've been a 'Night Terror' I'm not really sure =/ But all I know, is when I had woke up, I was Kinda freaked to the point where I was like... Spazzing o.O

It's just like learning an instrument, it takes practice. Constant practice.

Well... no luck last night. In fact, I hardly remembered my dream. Oh well, there's always tomorrow.

And TheMuffinMan, I wouldn't think you'd be losing sleep when lucid dreaming because from what I read, only your mind, not your brain, is awake at the time. They say the level of awareness of the mind in lucid dreams, however, can determine the chance of paralysis. Some people haven't been able to wake up during a lucid dream, and when they do, they couldn't move. I'm not sure if that's just their own mental disability or that it goes for everyone. I don't really mind. Personally, I think it's harmless.

[Josiah]

^ That's kinda freaky, Because I remember having the most terrifying dreams, and I'd wake up, and wouldn't be able to move an inch... Personally, I couldn't tell if I was still dreamin, or awake, cause it felt REALLY Fake, but REALLY Real all at the same time... O.O;

[snowdog]

Hmm. I should be able to do that, I remember most of my dreams very clearly.

Most of them are nightmares, though. Lucid nightmares would suck.

I conciously think during dreams... is that lucid dreaming?

[thebustoHe((]

set your alarm for a half an hour earlier than you normally get up at
go to sleep
if you have a dream and would like to continue it after you wake up lay down and close your eyes and you could end up in your dream
in your dream you might not control yourself but make it go how you want it to

[snowdog]

Originally Posted by thebustoHe((

set your alarm for a half an hour earlier than you normally get up at
go to sleep
if you have a dream and would like to continue it after you wake up lay down and close your eyes and you could end up in your dream
i

I do that without setting my alarm, it just happens. Usually when my dad goes to work. (He has to be up around 5, and always ends up waking the rest of the house >.>) I'll have a dream, wake up, then fall asleep and it will continue.

[thebustoHe((]

yes accidentally is better than purposely, becausewhen it is an accident there is a possibility of actually believing you dream