Discrimination: Is it okay?

[Dogenzaka]

calling a black man black is not discriminating

nobody gets on my case for calling an orange tabby cat orange.

here's a thought: stop getting up in arms about stupid shit like descriptive adjectives that pertain to race or gender. if you're black, you're black. it's a descriptive adjective and if i need to describe you with it, i will (especially in my area, where we have a mostly white and latino population).

part of the stupidity of it all is being making a big deal out of something little. i am not forcing some black guy to sit at the black of the bus, or rallying whites to promote jim crow laws - i'm not even assuming anything ABOUT the black man: i'm simply DESCRIBING him. if you find that to be something to get all pissy about, then you're just being absolutely absurd.

tanks for this

No really, I hate how sometimes people will whisper " so there was this black guy" around black people, like it's not okay to speak descriptively. Lol.

[Johnny Stooge]

just a heads up, a good number of people who have African ancestry or who are africans themselves are not always going to be black, and the same can be said for a few other people who possess a different lineage/nationality than their race

You can't use 'African' as a descriptor. Firstly, "African-Americans" need to cut the cord. Secondly, how do you tell from a distance if someone is from Africa? You can't. So you use the terms "black" or "white".

discrimination isn't wrong, it's often racial discrimination that's the issue

for example, i run a newspaper. do i hire the guy who's written stuff for the n.y times or the guy who's written stuff for stormfront?

regardless of work experience but with content in mind, i'm obviously going to immediately discriminate against the latter dude

is it wrong?

What if the guy who worked at the Times is white and the Stormfront dude is black?

:O

[chihuahuaman]

identifying a person by their skin color =/= discriminating against them :/

if you know two dudes named john, and your friend's talking to you about one of them, it's not discrimination if they clarify by saying

"oh, this was the black john" or "i'm talking about the white john"

it's the same way if you identify a person by their hair color or what they're wearing

Yes, but the point is that they could easily say "The tall John" or "The skinny John". Why do people always have to bring race into conversations not involving it? There are plenty of other feathers someone could describe, yet they choose race.

just a heads up, a good number of people who have African ancestry or who are africans themselves are not always going to be black, and the same can be said for a few other people who possess a different lineage/nationality than their race

I am aware of that. I was simply using African lineage as an example because people are most likely to assume African-Americans are of African descent.

[MegaWallflower]

Yes, but the point is that they could easily say "The tall John" or "The skinny John". Why do people always have to bring race into conversations not involving it? There are plenty of other feathers someone could describe, yet they choose race.

Because it may be a better way to tell the difference in some cases, and sometimes because it's something that people remember as opposed to height or weight. And, also, it's less relative, isn't it? Some may consider the same guy tall that others consider average height. But black is black, no? :3 It is one of those features, and I see nothing wrong with using it to identify someone if you have to, unless you're using a racial slur or something.

[kazukifafner]

Yes, but the point is that they could easily say "The tall John" or "The skinny John". Why do people always have to bring race into conversations not involving it? There are plenty of other feathers someone could describe, yet they choose race.

Why do people have to bring up height or weight into conversations not involving it? Seriously, there's no discernible difference between calling someone tall, skinny, black, asian, or anything else. The reason people get caught up in it is an oversensitivity to certain words. An entire category of objective, descriptive comparisons should not be thrown out the window just because some think it automatically implies racism.

I am aware of that. I was simply using African lineage as an example because people are most likely to assume African-Americans are of African descent.

Well, if they are African American, then they are of African descent. Hence, the term.

[Apostle]

Yes, but the point is that they could easily say "The tall John" or "The skinny John". Why do people always have to bring race into conversations not involving it? There are plenty of other feathers someone could describe, yet they choose race.

Again, why beat around the bush with it? You aren't helping them somehow if you avoid telling their race to another person. If it's the easiest way to describe someone, it's the easiest way.

They aren't "bringing race into it" either, they are using a distinguishing feature to easily identify an individual. Race is a characteristic just as much as height, gender, age, hair color, etc, and it saying "the african american John" shouldn't be any different than saying "the tall john."

[Johnny Stooge]

I am aware of that. I was simply using African lineage as an example because people are most likely to assume African-Americans are of African descent.

How does that make sense? Black is not the same as African-American.

In order to call someone an African-American, you need to know that they are in fact from or are descended from Africans.

Which still makes no kupoing sense because after several generations, you should have dropped the African part.

[Ophan]

i'm black...

even i describe black ppl as black, white ppl as white and so forth in simplifying the description of who i'm talking about. If you're mad about shit like this, you need to get laid :/

http://youtu.be/tWmvfeKCyj8

[chihuahuaman]

identifying a person by their skin color =/= discriminating against them :/

if you know two dudes named john, and your friend's talking to you about one of them, it's not discrimination if they clarify by saying

"oh, this was the black john" or "i'm talking about the white john"

it's the same way if you identify a person by their hair color or what they're wearing

i'm black...

even i describe black ppl as black, white ppl as white and so forth in simplifying the description of who i'm talking about. If you're mad about shit like this, you need to get laid :/

13 years-old =/= Getting laid.

[quiteMAD]

Discrimination is never okay, I don't even know why there's a need for this threat to clarify that. But discrimination =/= classification. As humans, one of the most diverse races on this planet, we have a natural need to label and separate ourselves from each other because we're so obsessed with individuality.

If you're mad about shit like this, you need to get laid :/

lol I never understood why this is the solution to every personal problem ever. I don't think someone's sex life is going to change wether or not they're sensitive to racial issues.

[Solar]

actually, it is, and maybe you'd understand that

if you got laid






badum tsh

[crankymuse]

Yes, but the point is that they could easily say "The tall John" or "The skinny John". Why do people always have to bring race into conversations not involving it? There are plenty of other feathers someone could describe, yet they choose race.

what if they're both short? what if they're both on the fat side? what if they're both wearing jordans and they're both wearing red shirts and they both have glasses? :/

sure, yeah, it's easy to use "the tall john" or "the skinny john" if either can be distinguished by that

but sometimes you can't distinguish between two people using height or weight as a criteria, and then you need to use their skin color

and i fail to see the harm in pointing out that some guy is black if that's all you're doing

Again, why beat around the bush with it? You aren't helping them somehow if you avoid telling their race to another person. If it's the easiest way to describe someone, it's the easiest way.

They aren't "bringing race into it" either, they are using a distinguishing feature to easily identify an individual. Race is a characteristic just as much as height, gender, age, hair color, etc, and it saying "the african american John" shouldn't be any different than saying "the tall john."

exactly this :I

if it's the easiest way to identify someone, then go for it

there's no sense in beating around the bush trying to describe them just so you don't have to dare utter what ethnicity they are

that's stupid and makes you look like even more of a cunt than you do saying, "the black john"

[KHProdigy1]

enough with comparing discrimination to racism, when its just a chosen bias or preference against or with an ethnicity, creed, religion, and/or nationality.

Of course its wrong, why is this even a question lol. Wouldn't morality be the kicker that determines in what situations its wrong, outlawed, ok vs. not ok?

I'm sorry but, better examples of good discrimination

discrimination against anti-intellectualism

discrimination against gangs (sub-form of anti-intellectualism)

discrimination against oppression

Are they morally justified? At least in the unitied states?
Isn't this why we have laws to a certain degree in regards to certain discrimination? Equal opportunity upholds the merit of having a shot at a job be you male or female or opposing ethnicity. Now its about the quality of your resume and portfolio xD

like really, trivial shit like racism as Celtis said is a complete waste of time and if your offended, not only is that ridiculous, but where and how do you justify that? You really can't, if I can't say what I want even when its politically correct, then what the hell is the point of the first amendment?

[quiteMAD]

actually, it is, and maybe you'd understand that

if you got laid






badum tsh

[The Conquerer]

How does that make sense? Black is not the same as African-American.

In order to call someone an African-American, you need to know that they are in fact from or are descended from Africans.

Which still makes no kupoing sense because after several generations, you should have dropped the African part.

I kinda agree, even though a "majority" of blacks that live in America are descendant from Africa (predominantly, Sub-Sahara). Where exactly from there, we have no idea, as the languages, names, and cultures of the place was ripped from us and has long since been lost for centuries. Another interesting note is that African Americans generally racially mixed, with varying amounts of European and Native (probably less of this though on average, but that's for whites as well) ancestries amongst the population (usually depends on the sample location). Less blacks are likely to be over 25% Euro, but astounding percentages are between 10-20% Euro.