Love

[InfiniteTwilight]

Hey this was the old days, back in the old country.

Course, back in those days where everything and anything could happen.

I see what you're saying, the physical attraction should eventually give way to an emotional attachment and companionship with that person.

Exactly, it should be built up into emotional attachments and companionship and not the whole "straight to bed" thing. O.o

[Morningstar]

Originally Posted by InfiniteTwilight

Course, back in those days where everything and anything could happen.

It was an age of strange and ancient magics, of course anything could happen.

Originally Posted by InfiniteTwilight

Exactly, it should be built up into emotional attachments and companionship and not the whole "straight to bed" thing. O.o

What still gets me about that, and homosexuals too [I'm not homophobic] is that they've overcome the biological desire to reproduce. That says a lot about how far we've come since we've decided we were no longer animals.

[InfiniteTwilight]

It was an age of strange and ancient magics, of course anything could happen.

Woooziard! lol

What still gets me about that, and homosexuals too [I'm not homophobic] is that they've overcome the biological desire to reproduce. That says a lot about how far we've come since we've decided we were no longer animals.

Don't have a problem with them either. I have the idea that they find the opposite sex no longer attractive or feel no connection with the opposite sex and may not want to reproduce, but there are more reasons. Also proves how different we are from animals.

[Morningstar]

Originally Posted by InfiniteTwilight

Also proves how different we are from animals.

This is what I was getting at, that we've come so far as to be able to choose to ignore Nature's greatest urge.

[InfiniteTwilight]

This is what I was getting at, that we've come so far as to be able to choose to ignore Nature's greatest urge.

Well, I wouldn't really call it that, but that's what it sorta is to people. Reproduction just seems to come naturally to most and basically all to animals, you have to keep the cycle of life going. O.o

[Morningstar]

Originally Posted by InfiniteTwilight

Well, I wouldn't really call it that, but that's what it sorta is to people. Reproduction just seems to come naturally to most and basically all to animals, you have to keep the cycle of life going. O.o

Bleak as it is, that seems to be the only point of life, to create more life.

But I suppose you can enjoy it while you have it.

[Dark-Disciple]

Love stimulates the same parts of the brain as do drugs like cocaine. So that explains why its hard to get your mind off the boy/girl you like, but what caused you to like them in the first place?

Uhh, just pointing out a funny fact^
Did you know that the same parts of your brain are stimulated at the time you are eating a piece of chocolate and at the time you are having sexual intercourse^

And the sexual attraction as I'm sure you are referring to in your statement, doesn't necessarily stand for "LOVE", so describing an act with an abstract idea may lead to misconceptions which might lead us into a fallacious argument (hence what I just read from this first two pages). Let us try to focus on what 'LOVE' really is-^
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Love is quite something deep.
I see it as not something easily described, but more like an Essence.
Love is an intangible form. Something everyone has an idea of but something that can't ever be perfect or of this world (like Justice and Virtue)
Love is what we call a strong bond between two individuals. It is something shared, not held by one. Something poetic yet reserved.
It is the greatest muse and the worse of poets.
It is the ruin for many and the trail to greatness for most.
Love is more than the eye can meet, and far greater than what words can give it justice for.
It is simply indescribable^
You might as well ask someone what a color is. You can only describe it by what you know about it, and thus, our outtake on it will always be filled with human biased. So Love is simply indescribable.
------------------------------------Dark-Disciple
(yeah, I just wrote that on the spot. Bite me^)
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Also, here's my opinion on Romeo and Juliet:
It is a play based on teenage idiocy and apparent lack of virtue which comes with adolescence. It is also based greatly on infatuation, not love.
So I see it as a fairly bad example to bring up^
As great of a play as it was, I just wouldn't use if as the quintessence for Love.
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I'm sure people can strongly disagree with some of the things I just stated so please, rip this comment apart so that we can continue discussing what Love is, because just like everyone else, I wish to know as well.
Please don't use this as my ultimatum because it isn't.
I'm just laying out my starting idea^

[Morningstar]

Love is something quite something deep.
I see it as not something easily described, but more like an Essence.
Love is like a form. Something everyone has an idea of but something that can't ever be perfect or of this world (like Justice and Virtue)
Love is what we call a strong bond between two individuals. It is something shared, not held by one. Something poetic yet reserved.
It is the greatest muse and the worse of poets.
It is the ruin for many and the trail to greatness for most.
Love is more than the eye can meet, and far greater than what words can give it justice for.
It is simply indescribable^
You might as well ask someone what a color is. You can only describe it by what you know about it, and thus, our outtake on it will always be filled with human biased. Love is simply indescribable.

I liked it, it's very poetic.

And for all our scientific reasoning, none of us said anything like that.

[InfiniteTwilight]

Also, here's my opinion on Romeo and Juliet:
It is a play based on teenage idiocy and apparent lack of virtue which comes with adolescence. It is also based greatly on infatuation, not love.
So I see it as a fairly bad example to bring up^
As great of a play as it was, I just wouldn't use if as the quintessence for Love

What you said above was awesome, but I couldn't help but look at this in being true. The movies really do portray this accurately. They're just crazy together cause they can't keep their hands off each other. O.o

[Morningstar]

Originally Posted by InfiniteTwilight

What you said above was awesome, but I couldn't help but look at this in being true. The movies really do portray this accurately. They're just crazy together cause they can't keep their hands off each other. O.o

It's the worst of Shakespeare's tragedies that I've read.

[InfiniteTwilight]

It's the worst of Shakespeare's tragedies that I've read.

He just wanted to get it done so he could sleep at night. The movies are even more...I don't know how to say it. Both versions of the movie are just...there. Especially the Leonardo DiCaprio version.

[Dark-Disciple]

Originally Posted by Morningstar

It's the worst of Shakespeare's tragedies that I've read.

(Side note: I would agree with you if since you are comparing them to works like Hamlet, King Henry VIII, Macbeth, and Julius Caesar. Romeo and Juliet is a brilliant play nonetheless though.... maybe a little overrated, but in itself, it is a pretty decent work of literature. < Something which is obviously the greatest understatement of all time)

Originally Posted by InfiniteTwilight

They're just crazy together cause they can't keep their hands off each other. O.o

Hence proving how they are infatuated, not in Love^
Infatuation is an obsessive attraction based on the natural impulse of lust.

Now, just because it is an impulse which we are obliged to oppress more often than the humility impulse or generosity or patriotic impulse, I'm not saying that lust is a bad impulse.
Impulses, as C.S. Lewis explains, are like the keys of a piano. They are not divided into good and bad keys. They are just right at some points and bad at others. Its all a matter of knowing when and how to play them. Something that may lead us into the whole argument of moral law, but first, I want to know what love is before we can move on to that^

At least we can use my last statement in order to prove that Love can't either be described as a "Good" or as a "Bad" thing....
Love acts like an impulse, but is rather deeper and more complex than one. It is like a combination of impulse and thought.


Anyone have any comments on that idea?^

[Morningstar]

Originally Posted by Dark-Disciple

Now, just because it is an impulse which we are obliged to oppress more often than the humility impulse or generosity or patriotic impulse, I'm not saying that lust is a bad impulse.
Impulses, as C.S. Lewis explains, are like the keys of a piano. They are not divided into good and bad keys. They are just right at some points and bad at others. Its all a matter of knowing when and how to play them. Something that may lead us into the whole argument of moral law, but first, I want to know what love is before we can move on to that^

That's a good metaphor, I think I'll use it from now on.

Good old C.S. Lewis.

[Dark-Disciple]

Originally Posted by Morningstar

That's a good metaphor, I think I'll use it from now on.

Good old C.S. Lewis.

(Side note) If you are interested in that, here, have fun:
[X] (scroll down to where it starts with the title "1. The Law of Human Nature")

[Raticus]

Originally Posted by Akans

True, but that does not explain why there is an explicit attraction to a single person (hopefully), rather than to everyone, and why people believe in "true love". Surely need for companionship does not explain fully the concept of love. Other primates, for example, live in societies and communities, but they breed out of need, rather than for any special attraction for a member of the opposite gender.

No, but in it's basest form it does; that's just looking at the barest point of what I said.

With not only the physical and mental evolution of our species, many sociological factors would change the way we perceive each other and the world around us. Love and perception, all came out of social interaction. Whereas breed out of need begot breed out of love because our species soon grew out of the need to constantly defend and feed ourselves for self-preservation. The natural evolution of human compassion has produced love, and that love itself has evolved over the course of our natural history. In it's basest emotion, it remains the same, but how it is expressed is ever-changing through the generations.

If you're looking for a more romantic answer, I'm sure I could supply that as well.