Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - Dragonborn!

**darkheart709** · September 28, 2011, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by quiteMAD

To not have preordered this game by now is surely some sort of sin. Satan himself would be going "Are you shitting me, he hasn't preordered it yet?? Does he know it's gonna be cleaned off the shelf day one? Ok yeah, fuck this guy. I can't wait to get my hands on him."

no point in me preordering it now because i won't be home in time to play it, so i have to wait until i get home, but yeah i'm now deffiantely convinced to try the Elder Scrolls series and Skyrim will be the one i start with

**chihuahuaman** · September 29, 2011, 03:29 AM

Originally Posted by Orion

Not necessarily ignorant, just... Mistaken, in thinking some things are inherently better regardless of context. The first reply sums it up:

Isn't ignorance when someone ignores the details and forms an opinion despite not knowing all the facts? I thought ignorance matches them perfectly.

**Orion** · September 29, 2011, 03:41 AM

I think it would be ignorant if the article wasn't so clearly there as flame-bait.

**Prodigy Keyblade** · October 3, 2011, 05:08 AM

Spoiler: Racial Abilities

http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/el...ties-revealed/

"The list below was compiled on the Bethesda forums from a user that got the information from the Eurogamer expo. Not quite confirmed by Bethesda, but close."

Originally Posted by Racial Abilities

ORCS: Beserker
REDGUARDS: Adrenaline Rush
WOOD ELF: Resist poison, resist disease, command animals
NORD: Battlecry
KHAJIIT: Night-eye, claw attacks
IMPERIAL: Voice of the Emperor, find more coins when looting
HIGH ELF: Regenerate Magicka more quickly
DARK ELF: Ancestor’s Wrath (surround self in fire), resist fire
BRETON: Dragonskin (absorb spells), resist shock
ARGONIANS: Histskin (regenerate health quickly), resist disease, breathe underwater

Spoiler: Perk Trees

http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/th...olls-v-skyrim/

"At this point, the list of Perk Trees below are said to be "mostly complete", and were found on the Bethesda forums where they were originally compiled."

Originally Posted by Perk Trees

Speech Buying and selling price 10% better (5 ranks) 10% price buying from opposite sex Invest in shops and increase available gold permanently in invested stores Master Trader – every merchant in world gains 1000 gold for bartering Buy and sell from any merchant regardless of what they normally buy and sell Intimidation attempts twice as successful Persuasion attempts more likely successful

Alchemy Potions 20% stronger (5 ranks) Potions for restore health, magicka or stamina are 25% more powerful (maybe ranked) Poisons 25% more effective (maybe ranked) Poisons last for twice as many hits Two ingredients are gathered from plants 50% resistance to all poisons All negative effects removed from potions and all positive removed from poisons 2 effects of an ingredient are revealed when testing it for the first time (instead of just one)

Illusion Dual casting overcharges effect for more powerful spell Cast Novice spells for 50% less magickaCast Apprentice spells for 50% less magicka Cast Adept, Expert, Master etc spells for 50% less magicka (more levels this time around) Spells work on higher level animals Spells work on higher level people All spellcasting (from ANY school) is done silently Spells work on undead, daedra and automatons Fear spells work on higher level enemies

Conjuration Novice for 50% magicka etc (up to Master) Dual casting overcharges –> greater spell effect Bound weapons do more damage Bound weapons cast Soul Trap on target Bound weapons banish certain creatures (and I think summon creature in their place, not 100% on that though, dodgy recording) Reanimate undead with 100 more health Summon 2 Atronachs or reanimated zombies Summon Atronachs at twice the distance Summoned Atronachs twice as strong

Destruction More damage for each school (fire, frost and shock) – ranked Novice for 50% magicka etc. Shock damage chance to disintegrate targets if their health is under 10% Frost damage chance to paralyse targets if health low Fire damage chance to make low health enemies flee Place runes 5x farther away

Restoration Healing spells also restore stamina Novice for 50% less magicka etc Healing spells do 50% more healing Recharging healing spells More is recharged with each hit with healing spells (unclear) Spells more effective against undead Once a day chance to autocast 250HP restoration when health drops low Magicka regenerates 25% faster

Alteration Novice for 50% less etc Alteration spells have greater duration (ranked) Absorb 30% magicka that hits you

Enchanting Enchants are 20% stronger (ranked) Enchanted armour 25% stronger “Soul gems provide extra magicka for recharging” – again, dodgy recording but that’s what I heard, even if it doesn’t make much sense Death blows to creatures but not people trap souls for weapon recharge Health, magicka and stamina enchants stronger Extra effect on already-enchanted weapon can be applied Shock, Frost and Fire enchants 25% stronger (individual perks for each element)

Heavy Armour Increase armour rating 20% (5 ranks) Unarmed attacks with heavy armour gauntlets – damage increased by gauntlets’ armour rating Half fall damage if all in heavy armour Heavy armour weighs nothing and doesn’t slow you at all Additional 25% armour if in matching set 25% armour bonus if all in heavy armour (not necessarily matching) 50% less stagger if all in heavy armour 10% damage reflected back to enemy if all in heavy armour

2-handed weapons 2h weapons do 20% more damage (5 ranks) Attacks with warhammers ignore 25% armour (ranked) Attacks with battleaxes do extra bleeding damage (ranked) Attacks with greatswords do extra critical damage (ranked) Power attacks cost 25% less stamina Standing power attacks do 25% bonus damage, chance to decapitate Sprinting power attacks do double (critical) damage Sideways power attacks hit all targets Backwards power attacks have 25% chance of paralysis

Archery Bows do 25% more damage Zoom in Zooming slows time 10% crit chance Move faster with drawn bow Recover twice as many arrows from dead bodies 50% chance of paralysing for few seconds (might be 15%, can’t really hear…) Draw bow 30% faster

Sneak 20% harder to detect (ranked) Sneak attacks do 6x damage with 1h weapons Sneak attacks with bows do 3x damage Sneak attacks with daggers do 15x damage (end perk on skill tree) Noise from armour reduced 50% No longer activate pressure plates Sprinting while sneaking performs silent forward roll Running does not affect detection chance Crouching can make hostile enemies lose sight of you and search for a target

Spoiler: Tough Time for Thieves/Sleeping in Beds

Skyrim update: New details revealed, tough times ahead for thieves

We mentioned that theives should pay attention to this, and rightly so because it looks like your day-to-day job in Skyrim just got a little bit harder. The magazine claims that pickpocketing will now have a difficulty skill attached to it, and players will find it harder to steal items depending on the value of item that you want to grab.
This is different to Oblivion, as players could go ahead and steal any item they wanted. From our memories though, the stolen item quality was never too high in Oblivion anyway, so maybe Bethesda are looking to have some precious items awaiting for the dirty fingertips of thieves – we hope so, as the thief perk is definitely one of the most enjoyable paths to take.

Other notable details included in the magazine reveal that Skyrim players will be able to receive a boost in health and magicka, depending on the quality of bed that they sleep in. This again is a new addition to the game, as all beds were the same in Oblivion – just serving as somewhere to rest and refresh your health and magicka supply.

Spoiler: Some Highlights (some new, some old)

New Skyrim details include wiping out witnesses, 'good bed' sleeping bonuses - National Console Gaming | Examiner.com

"Highlights from the article found by poster Y2Rimmer at the official game forums include the following."

"If you kill everyone who saw you commit a crime, you'll get a message saying there are no surviving witnesses."

Sleeping in a 'good' bed gives a bonus to magicka and health.
He describes how the weather changed from a light snow, to heavy and then a full on blizzard at which point he can barely see where he was going.
You can get meat from a horse carcass.
The previewer describes how he equipped a flame spell in his left hand and a lightning spell in the right. The streams are seperate when both are fired but they're so "thick and chaotic" that it actually looks like 1 big beam of lightning and flame.
The player finds a shack just as it's getting dark which have glowing insects flying around it. You can harvest a 'Sparkfly thorax' from these little things.
He has a quick go at alchemy and mixes nightshade and death's bane to produce a strong poison which he applies to his sword.
The player describes a situation where he reaches a camp with imperial looking men. As he is attempting to cook the men suddenly run up the hill behind him where they are attacked by a Redguard woman raining arrows down upon them.
Cooking turns raw stuff into stews for long term effects such as venison stew which steadily regenerates health for 5 minutes. Blacksmithing turns metal ores into weapons/armours but some of these are locked out until you get the right perk.
Enchanting shrines allow you to add spell effects to any weapon and destroy magical weapons to learn their enchantments.
You can join the imperial legion (Think I've heard this before though)
Rift guards are a seperate faction from the imperial legion so they ignored the bounty on his head (until he got on a stolen horse right in front of them). At one point the rift guards that are chasing the player bump into the imperial guards who are also chasing him. A war breaks out between them!
If you kill everyone who saw you commit a crime, you'll get a message saying there are no surviving witnesses
Going to prison and serving your sentence doesn't result in your skills reducing. Instead the progress towards your next point in a few skills will be a reset.
Player explores the city of Riften which has a river running through it. Cobbled streets with sharp drops to the water below. Below are subterraneon dwellings with their doors almost at water level, connected by wooden piers. Apparently there is a network down there called the ratways where the Theives guild is. Matt Carafano says Riften is a rundown lake down set in a beautiful forest area. Markarth on the other hand is built in an ancient dwarven ruin in cliff sides. Solitude is more like a castle city, Windhelm is like an ancient Nordic fortress and Whiterun is more of the classic Viking feel 'mountain-style' in the tundra.
Chances of successfully pick pocketing depends on the value of the item.
Player kills a thief and gets 'Gloves of the Pugilist' which grants +15 to unarmed attacks. He tests them by knocking off a huge portion of health from his attacker. He then attempts a power attack: "I grab him, he disappears off screen, there's a sickening crunch and I drop his limp body to the dirty ground". A finishing move perhaps?
You can even mix spells with hand-to-hand, eg. lightning in the left, punchy punchy with the right.

**Zul** · October 3, 2011, 06:12 AM

KHAJIIT: Night-eye, claw attacks

Oh...I really need to see how this works out.

Also the no-witnesses thing would be useful in DB quests if they put them in.

**quiteMAD** · October 3, 2011, 06:35 AM

Player kills a thief and gets 'Gloves of the Pugilist' which grants +15 to unarmed attacks. He tests them by knocking off a huge portion of health from his attacker. He then attempts a power attack: "I grab him, he disappears off screen, there's a sickening crunch and I drop his limp body to the dirty ground". A finishing move perhaps?

The last time I played Oblivion, I did a pure focus on hand-to-hand and endurance. Nothing else. It was the most fun I'd ever had playing that game. There are just few things more satisfying than dodging a mage's spell, or an arrow, and beating that mage/archer to death with my bare hands while they frantically try to switch to a melee weapon. Now there are special kill animations added to the mix?? Oh HELL yes.

**The Conquerer** · October 3, 2011, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Zulkir

Oh...I really need to see how this works out.

Also the no-witnesses thing would be useful in DB quests if they put them in.

Most likely it's an unarmed benefit.

**Prodigy Keyblade** · October 4, 2011, 07:30 AM

Xbox360Achievements.org - Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Achievements

They're out.

**Amros626** · October 4, 2011, 08:17 AM

Master Criminal: Bounty of 1000 gold in all nine holds

Ballin'

**Prodigy Keyblade** · October 4, 2011, 08:23 AM

PC Gamer November scans (Not sure what's new, if anything, but here they are anyways):

Pages
Magazine Cover
http://i.imgur.com/s3E2X.jpg

1&2
http://i.imgur.com/1gPw5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7g8ug.jpg

3&4
http://i.imgur.com/EmVUG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/poyvW.jpg

5&6
http://i.imgur.com/Jp2VW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tk7Ki.jpg

7&8
http://i.imgur.com/iToBc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qw86u.jpg

9&10
http://i.imgur.com/D1zWa.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UlQVm.jpg

Spoiler: Cover Pre-Edit

**Amros626** · October 4, 2011, 08:27 AM

I'm honestly not a fan of this achievement for completing a quest thing. There could be so many OTHER kinds of achievements that would make the game a lot more fun to play. Like I don't know, killing a dragon in x amount of time or get past x objective without alerting anyone. Seems like they took the easy way out with these achievements.

**Prodigy Keyblade** · October 4, 2011, 09:10 AM

The problem with doing achievements that way in a TES game is for the very reason people enjoy playing the games: Options. Think of it this way- Say someone wants to be a dual-wielding thief with only shortswords or daggers because they want to RP with their character? Obviously, tackling a dragon would take him or her longer than say a mage or spellsword or w/e. Even perhaps a hulking Nord with a giant claymore. Should the player be penalized (not being able to get an achievement) because he wants to do with his character's play style as he chooses? No, he shouldn't. Though I'm not someone who generally RPs, I know there's a massive following for that sort of thing in the TES fanbase. It's not like a shooter where everyone has common ground in weapons, because people prefer using what they like to use, as opposed to the fastest way to blow something up. Me? I love bonking with a tough enemy, just to turn invisible and sneak up on them again. Repeat. That said, dragons aren't set creatures. It would probably be quite difficult, because how do you decide when the battle is initiated and it when it isn't? Dragons are (as we're told) free to go anywhere and do anything, and there is an unlimited number of them. It's not like you can enter into a cave and have a time limit; the world is open.

For the without alerting anyone thing, that's again only going to matter for people who play stealthy characters. I know plenty of people who never play a stealthy character in their life. For the most part, the achievements try not to limit you (like the "level 14 with good karma" shit. I hated those karma limitations). The only one that can really be made a case for is the Theif achievement. That said, everyone is going to pick locks (for chests and loot). The only exception is pickpocketing. However, that doesn't actually limit you even with the difficulty limitations set in place with Skyrim, because anyone can pickpocket a handful of gold. That said, I'll be sneaking past everyone and everything 24/7. There wouldn't be much reason for me get an achievement for that. Where it would only facilitate me, it would burden others by forcing them away from their play style. It's unbalanced either way.

Most of the achievements, if you look at them, are obviously objective based, in the sense to "get you to try everything once," that is save for your play style. It clearly avoids limiting your play style. I mean, even as far as the Mage's Guild in Oblivion went, you didn't have to really do any magic. You just solved Mage's Guild problems.

All of that said, I agree with you that they played it fairly safe on the achievements, but in all honesty it's not like that's a terrible thing. It seems a pretty solid mix between Oblivion and Fallout achievements. With such a MASSIVE world, it's difficult to get into specific things. On that note, the next best thing to getting lost in the world of Tamriel is doing the quests. Even if the main quest in Oblivion was lacking when compared to its predecessor, it still had some fantastic quests in the game, many of which have different ways you can complete them with only your conscious and the sounds of your coinpurse to guide you. I'm just glad it's not the Oblivion achievements all over again (though in its excuse, it was a launch title when achievements were still completely new to the industry).

The real point I'm making though is that the game already is going to have so much to do. It's not like another game where it needs to point out things for you to do because there is always something around the next corner to get you lost for even more hours on end.

(Yeah, that's an extremely winded and pointless response to what was I'm sure just a flyby comment. Oh well.)

**Prodigy Keyblade** · October 4, 2011, 06:23 PM

Also this:

**Amros626** · October 4, 2011, 07:23 PM

I get what you're saying. I just hope that getting all of these achievements isn't as easy as it was in Oblivion. First game I ever got every single achievement in. They could have made achievements for every play-style. That would entice people to want to play differently than they're used to and possibly make the game more enjoyable to them. And if not then they'll have the most unenjoyable achievement grind ever.

Also the end of that video makes me wish you could tame dragons as a flying mount. Among other things, like unseeing all of it.

**Prodigy Keyblade** · October 4, 2011, 07:32 PM

Well yeah there's still main quest and faction quests as you can tell, but there's other objectives and misc quests for sure as you can see. Also, Oblivion was my first game to max out as well.

And just wait for the PC mods to let you mount dragons. Speaking of, Todd said a dragon shout actually lets you call a dragon to fight for you. I wonder what kind of dragon? Is it the one they keep promoting so much (the typical fire-breathing dragon on the trailers and pictures and the statue) because I'd assume that would be it. But since there are other types of dragons, I wonder if it could potentially be another kind.

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