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Old 01-28-2008, 04:33 PM   #16
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Well KH1 had the best storyline, villain development, character development, and the best ending. CoM had what I thought was the hardest gameplay because you had to use strategy and not just running around the heartless and bosses hitting them when you get a chance but the story was confusing as all hell and the villains sucked. I like the Disney aspect of the game is the best part for me, and the summons remind me of my childhood instead of my nightmares and weird dreams like FF does. I don't think any game in the KH series will ever be as good as the first so yes I think KH2 dropped the ball.
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Old 01-28-2008, 04:56 PM   #17
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Has anyone realized this is in the COMPLATLEY WRONG SECTION? It seems people are just responding to the orginal poster, while no one seems to mention it's in a wrong section. Anywho FM+ is the best game out of the trio. It fixes Kh2 overall mistakes. It's harder, more indepth cut-scenes with the ORG memebers, better optinal boss battle's (Terra anyone?), and the crown hunting basically takes the spot of the trinities. So yeah FM+
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Old 01-28-2008, 04:59 PM   #18
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I think the fact that it didn't really feel like we were playing as Sora this time, I mean last time, it felt pretty slow, and I guess it could of been the fact that when Sora jumps in KH2 he jumps much higher than in real life. It's just my Opinion.
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Old 01-28-2008, 05:16 PM   #19
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I'd pretty much have to agree. I found KH superior to KH2 in something like almost every way. For one, the difficulty was way higher in KH1. My first play-through, I had to use my friend's GameShark on the Riku II fight. I, personally at least, got much more of a sense of satisfaction when I finally completed the first. Back then I would only play every once in a while and didn't care about the story... When I beat KHII, it was like, not as a big a deal as I... Graphically, I think that KHI had some better character models then KHII, even though II looked better... (Huge, square hands = fail) I kinda felt that the story didn't fit quite right, either... KHI had an amazingly complex story that got me hooked and kept my attention until the end. In KHII, while I was still interested to see what happened, it wasn't quite as big a deal as it was in KHI to get to the next world and find out what happens... Also, II was a much shorter experience then I was. Even with more worlds and multiple plays of each, I completed it in less time then it took for KHI. And I have about four-six hours on KHII of pause time... The worlds weren't quite as good, either. So, I guess, all in all, KHI was IS way superior to KHII. Rant, over.

Oh, geez, I almost forgot to mention Dodge Roll. I used it all the time in KHI to get around faster, and sometimes in KHII I'd find myself accidentally pressing the Square button, wanting to use it.
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Old 01-28-2008, 05:45 PM   #20
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^Same here. I think KH1 had most of the Disney magic in it but in KH2 it kinda was dissapointing. I felt like KH2 concentrated on the story more than the characters.
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Old 01-28-2008, 05:51 PM   #21
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I'm a nonconformist, people.

While I agree that KH was more "in-depth" than KH2 for gameplay, it's only by a slim margin. You might be thinking I'm crazy right now, but I would like to ask you something:

When was the last time YOU played Kingdom Hearts, the original game?

Because I did it several months ago (actually KHFM). Hardest difficulty. And I had no trouble going through it. The problem is that I often see many people forgetting to use timing, GUARD, and aero. They made the battles so, so, so much easier. And bosses were very easy to loop (DO NOT get me started on the second Riku fight. People talk about how he was one of the hardest bosses, but he's a joke). But I often see people only focusing on attacking and they end up dieing, creating the notion that the game is harder than it actually is. Hell, I beat Sephiroth in under ten tries at level 54. And KH2 would have been just like this, save the fact that they tweaked the camera and made Sora godly (no offense but KH Sora would be frustrating in KH2... and don't make a case for limit form, as that's a jacked up version).

KH2FM fixed this problem though. Critical, lv 1. Much harder than KH ever was. And the fights require a hell of a lot of strategy.

I was always more involved in KH2 gameplay anyway. Employing the drive form with various combinations of magic and attacks was more complex than KH. I don't know why people complain about the summons either. I used them in neither game, save Tinker bell in the first and the summons for the Hades paradox cup in the second. People suggest that Dumbo was so much better than Stitch? There's a negligible difference.
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Old 01-28-2008, 06:37 PM   #22
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that kh2 100% dropped the ball..

kh1s combat was WAY more in depth. at least i thought it was. ive read on reviews and posts all over that people thought it was just hitting x. i didnt feel that way about the game at all. i mean, you COULD just hit x, but doing so would mean killing things a LOT slower. the use of different skills against different enemys = getting things done quicker / more efficiently.

also, i felt your choices for gear and abilitys actually mattered. the keyblade you chose to use actually effected gameplay, as well as your gear and the abilities you chose. i remember flipping through them all the time making sure i was getting the most out of each ap.

in KH2, it simply, did not matter. either way you could still kill anything just as quickly as any other way. there were no abilities. abilities were replaced with "reaction attacks" or whatever is called, and all that is is hitting triangle when it pops up to watch a cutscene that will do a little bit more dmg than if you just kept hitting X.

i could seriously rant and rant and make the biggest wall of text youve ever seen comparing how i feel kh1 > kh2 in every possible way, but whats the use.

annnyway... i really am not looking forward to the next khs to come out. i have a ds and a psp so i do plan to get them but... and this is coming from someone who beat kh1 within the first week it came out, and immediately went online trying to find out if there would be a sequel. i couldn't get enough at the time.

so what do you guys think? i think its clear i believe kh2 sucks in every possible way compared to kh1, and kh1 was imo, possibly the best rpg/game on the ps2. then - if you agree with me, do you think the future games will go back to their amazing roots, or stick with the garbage changes and continue to ruin the series for people looking for an actual solid rpg?

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I just KH1 again. Guess what. I beat the whole game spamming heal and X. Could beat the whole game using magic only? No. Melee attacks is what wins on KH1. On KH2, I was able to beat the whole game as a wizard using magic only. Something that can't be done on KH1. KH1 can be beaten with X only. In fact in KH1, you have to be a sword fighter or else.

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I was always more involved in KH2 gameplay anyway. Employing the drive form with various combinations of magic and attacks was more complex than KH. I don't know why people complain about the summons either. I used them in neither game, save Tinker bell in the first and the summons for the Hades paradox cup in the second. People suggest that Dumbo was so much better than Stitch? There's a negligible difference.
It's known proven fact that a lot of KH fans don't like variety. Meaning they don't like options. They like the games to be fixed. They wouldn't like Oblivion that's for sure. Some KH fans however do enjoy a little bit of options.

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Old 01-28-2008, 06:47 PM   #23
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I just KH1 again. Guess what. I beat the whole game spamming heal and X. Could beat the whole game using magic only? No. Melee attacks is what wins on KH1. On KH2, I was able to beat the whole game as a wizard using magic only. Something that can't be done on KH1. KH1 can be beaten with X only. In fact in KH1, you have to be a sword fighter or else.
This is very very true. Tried using choosing magic first and then attack and let me tell you it made the game like 50 bajillion times harder. <.<

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It's known proven fact that KH fans don't like variety. Meaning they don't like options. They like the games to be fixed. They wouldn't like Oblivion that's for sure.
That's a pretty general statement. I don't agree 100% I'm sure there are a lot of them that like fixed games. But I am a huge Kh fan and I love variety. For instance, I am also a big fan of Final Fantasy Tactics, and in that game, you can choose from all kinds of different abilities. I like Mass Effect too, and you can choose in that too. I like all forms of games. And i'm sure there are other Kh fans who are like that too. If you were to say anything, in my opinion at least, it'd be better to say a lot of them don't like it or something. Because saying that Kh fans in general don't is unfair to the ones who do like variety.
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Old 01-28-2008, 07:11 PM   #24
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That's a pretty general statement. I don't agree 100% I'm sure there are a lot of them that like fixed games. But I am a huge Kh fan and I love variety. For instance, I am also a big fan of Final Fantasy Tactics, and in that game, you can choose from all kinds of different abilities. I like Mass Effect too, and you can choose in that too. I like all forms of games. And i'm sure there are other Kh fans who are like that too. If you were to say anything, in my opinion at least, it'd be better to say a lot of them don't like it or something. Because saying that Kh fans in general don't is unfair to the ones who do like variety.
Yeah, you're right. It's better that I say that a lot like games that are fixed because like you said there are some that love options in games.
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Old 01-28-2008, 07:53 PM   #25
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BAD triangle >_>
I missed the good abilities. It was so much easier in KH2. You just smashed buttons. KH1 required actual thinking and strategy.
man, no one really did get the point, i sure didn't, and the gameplay was dull. I like KH2 bettr bcuz, of more power u have.
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Old 01-28-2008, 07:55 PM   #26
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I'm pretty sure this goes in the complaint section.Stop complaining and get over youselves...Actually this should go in the KH1 or KH2 section...
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Old 01-28-2008, 09:07 PM   #27
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I'm a nonconformist, people.

While I agree that KH was more "in-depth" than KH2 for gameplay, it's only by a slim margin. You might be thinking I'm crazy right now, but I would like to ask you something:

When was the last time YOU played Kingdom Hearts, the original game?
Um, a few hours ago, actually. Kh2 dropped the ball. So hard, in fact, that the ball might have broken. Yeah, if there ever was a meaning to that strange analogy, it is this: Kh2 was not as good as KH1. Hey, CoM was better than both of them combined.
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Old 01-28-2008, 10:09 PM   #28
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CoM was a joke in terms of gameplay. It was a muddled confusing version of Yu-Gi-Oh. The storyline was good except the whole stupid mind wipe crap. KH1 did require some strategy but all the bosses required the same method: Bash with the keyblade. In fact, all the main bosses required that.

And the other reason Kh1 is probably harder than KH2 is because Sora was very inaccurate. His swings missed quite often.
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Old 01-28-2008, 10:19 PM   #29
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CoM was probably the best of the KH series, even though it was a bit confusing.

KH2 had too many abilities, which made it a lot easier than KH1.

Storywise, KH1 was probably the best.
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Old 01-28-2008, 10:20 PM   #30
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Acutally the only REAL reason people dog on KH2 is because it's earsier IMO, that's it..even though kh1 is as easy as kh2...//
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