Thoughts on Nomura Interviews

[Xuan]

Hey dude, how come I didn't play KH1 but have a clearer view of things than you? Ansem the Darkness himself SAID that everything should go back to the Darkness =.=" He wants everything to go back to the Darkness. Unless the game I played is a fake made by you or my manga is wrong, then this is completely true.

[OmniChaos]

Originally Posted by Xuan

Hey dude, how come I didn't play KH1 but have a clearer view of things than you? Ansem the Darkness himself SAID that everything should go back to the Darkness =.=" He wants everything to go back to the Darkness. Unless the game I played is a fake made by you or my manga is wrong, then this is completely true.

Just because Xehanort said that does not mean that is his goal... You're building your claims on groundless words... Xehanort never said "I want everything to retern to the darkness wince it came.", did he...? No... He did, on the other hand, ask KH to fill him with the power of darkness...

[Xuan]

Now that, is just trying to talk it into your way and ignore the facts. Ansem the Darkness did say that everything in the world should be returned to Darkness. If speech isn't enough fine! His actions will tell. He did everything he can to send the world into the Darkness. He opens the Door to Darkness with the seven Princesses of Heart so he could let the Darkness overflow and cover all the worlds. He wants to open Kingdom Hearts so that he could let the flow of Darkness cover everything.

EVERY SINGLE ACTION of Ansem the Darkness shows that his intentions is to get Darkness to engulf everything in the world. He himself emphasised many times that everything must be returned to Darkness. If you want to save ur pride and keep on being stubborn and hard-headed like this I have no choice at all.

Let's say a hero was defeated. He needed strength to defeat his opponent. Usually in any books, such phrases are easily found, "He prays to the gods, "Grant me power to defeat this foe!" blah blah blah"... answers your "Fill me with the power of Darkness".

I repeat, if you want to be stubborn and hold on to your point just so that you could save your face then you are truly someone I look down on.

[OmniChaos]

Originally Posted by Xuan

Now that, is just trying to talk it into your way and ignore the facts. Ansem the Darkness did say that everything in the world should be returned to Darkness. If speech isn't enough fine! His actions will tell. He did everything he can to send the world into the Darkness. He opens the Door to Darkness with the seven Princesses of Heart so he could let the Darkness overflow and cover all the worlds. He wants to open Kingdom Hearts so that he could let the flow of Darkness cover everything.

EVERY SINGLE ACTION of Ansem the Darkness shows that his intentions is to get Darkness to engulf everything in the world. He himself emphasised many times that everything must be returned to Darkness. If you want to save ur pride and keep on being stubborn and hard-headed like this I have no choice at all.

Let's say a hero was defeated. He needed strength to defeat his opponent. Usually in any books, such phrases are easily found, "He prays to the gods, "Grant me power to defeat this foe!" blah blah blah"... answers your "Fill me with the power of Darkness".

I repeat, if you want to be stubborn and hold on to your point just so that you could save your face then you are truly someone I look down on.

Wow... I think that is actually the first time you backed up anything you've said with actual evidence... Congrats... You are finally somewhat looking like an actual theorist/critic... I'll admit, you may be right about him wanting to cover everything in darkness, but you cannot dismiss the fact that he obviously wanted power as well... You have no proof to say otherwise...

[CHARGE]

Xuan, if you can support that Ansem wants everything to return to Darkness, I will be amazed.

[Xuan]

He says it. His actions says it. The whole damn game says it, and you ask me to give proof? What, don't tell me you don't have a brain! Both of you!

He already has the power of Darkness from the start. Again I say that he says, "Give me the power of Darkness!" is because his power is not sufficient to defeat Sora, the only obstacle that stood between him and worlds domination by Darkness. Why else? He doesn't need more power, he's already too powerful for anyone other than Sora to stop him! If it wasn't for Sora defeating him, why would he want more power when he could defeat anyone else in the world? It's just like training up your hand muscles, so you could kill an ant with a finger!

Evidence and proof. Something I don't see from you. The funny part is I've posted evidence all around this stupid thread, and YOU SAY I POST NO EVIDENCE/PROOF! Either you cannot understand english, or you computer suffers a major preview problem.

[OmniChaos]

Originally Posted by Xuan

He says it. His actions says it. The whole damn game says it, and you ask me to give proof? What, don't tell me you don't have a brain! Both of you!

Hey, I said you actually gave proof this time... What I said, was that you have no proof to deny that he wants power...

He already has the power of Darkness from the start. Again I say that he says, "Give me the power of Darkness!" is because his power is not sufficient to defeat Sora, the only obstacle that stood between him and worlds domination by Darkness. Why else? He doesn't need more power, he's already too powerful for anyone other than Sora to stop him! If it wasn't for Sora defeating him, why would he want more power when he could defeat anyone else in the world? It's just like training up your hand muscles, so you could kill an ant with a finger!

You know nothing about villians... If they don't have it, they want it... If they do have it, they want more... To a villian, power is everything...

Evidence and proof. Something I don't see from you. The funny part is I've posted evidence all around this stupid thread, and YOU SAY I POST NO EVIDENCE/PROOF! Either you cannot understand english, or you computer suffers a major preview problem.

lol, congrats... You win noobs of the year award...
Things you fail to back up:

Originally Posted by Post #30

However, Terra is Xehanort definitely stands, no doubt about it. Whether MX+Terra is Xehanort we dunno, but Terra is definitely part of Xehanort.

You've yet to back this claim up with any actual evidence...

Originally Posted by Post #35

OmniChaos, your idea of MX+DS=Xehanort is the worst failure ever in this thread. No offense, but it is not possible.

You sure as hell didn't support this claim with anything... The only failure here is you...

Originally Posted by Post #46

I again say my point of view. Terra, in his final attempt, used the power of Darkness resides within him so that he could do something against MX. Fight MX is unlikely, he should know the difference of his power against MX. To seal MX is more likely. My idea on this is, Terra surrenders his heart to the Darkness, and by using the power he has to drag MX's heart into the deep depths of his heart and seal it within the dark depths of his heart forever. To do this, however, he will lose all the chains of memories within him, and also completely lose himself, for his heart is no longer his own. Whatever the process is, it had created a new person, Xehanort, with no memories but superhuman abilities (The body remains the same even though the process occured. Technically, Xehanort's body is Terra's body and has only Terra's abilities, but a few features of his body has changed as a result of MX's heart inside him. However, you would agree then MX's power is no longer there or dormant in MX's heart, "asleep").

You did not back this up one bit, while we have backed up our claims...
I even gave examples of why DS+MX=Xehanort fits...

Originally Posted by Post #48

No no no, Xemnas true intention is to reclaim his memories of the past. To do this, he needs to obtain a heart and become truly exist first. He probably figured out that having real emotions might ease up the job of finding his true self's past. But when he found a way to create Kingdom Hearts, he somehow knew it was the answer, because it was something that comes from his past. I write this statement from Xemnas' point of view.

You did not back up your claim that Xemnas' true goal is to reclaim past memories...

Originally Posted by Post #48

I know only one thing, HadesDragon. I don't know Ansem the Darkness for sure, nor do I understand Xemnas the Nobody by person, but I can tell you, NONE OF THEM desired power. The only and sure proof which proves Terra, is one of Xehanort. You might think I'm bragging but, I don't think you understand the mind more than me, which is why I KNOW, they do not sought for power.

Right there... You did not back up your claim that Xehanort's heartless not Xemnas wanted power...

Originally Posted by Post #59

Yep, the sentence "and Terra waited impatiently for me" actually indicates Terra and MX are of the same kind of person, human, thing? Dunno.

No evidence... No proof...

Those are most of your biggest points and not a one of them are backed up... As for us...

Things Hades and Myself backed up:

Originally Posted by Post #19(Hades)

Because of this: you are right. Various similarities exist between Xehanort and Terra. I'm well aware of them, I point them out to uninformed people on a regular basis.

You, however, seem to not know how many similarities exist between Xehanort and MX, which I will now point out for you:


~MX and XH's outfits are practically identical. XH's has a bit of yellow in it, and the Heartless insignia, but that's pretty much the only differences. Also, Xemnas wears the same boots as MX and XH.

~Their appearances are quite similar:http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x...Comparison.jpg
All of them have orange eyes, silver hair, their chins are squared off, Xemnas and MX have pointed ears, the necks are about the same size, they all have the samek skin tone...

~~MX, Xehanort, Xehanort's Heartless and Xemnas all share an obvious attraction/lust towards their respective Kingdom Hearts. The KH of all worlds for XH, the KH of men’s hearts for Xemnas, and that blue KH for MX.

~The way MX has his arms in the secret ending, behind his back, is a very common depiction of a scientist. Xehanort was also a scientist. Also, DiZ, who was also a scientist, is portrayed in this stance in a piece of concept art. Not in-game, but it’s still something.

Xaldin was also in this stance for a large part of the game. Now, while him being a scientist might make you go “WTF”, remember he was formerly Dilan, one of AtW’s apprentices, and therefore a scientist in his previous life.

~Xehanort's Heartless and Xemnas were very calm during battle as well as out of it. Xehanort's Heartless and Xemnas (not as much so) were somewhat cocky. They knew that they were powerful and were not afraid to show it.

Xehanort's Heartless basically called Sora stupid every time they met. He also underestimated the strength of Riku's heart because he thought he was too powerful for Riku to resist.

MX was also calm and cocky. How so? He kept both arms behind his back for a good amount of the Secret ending. He fought off Terra with one hand behind his back (literally). He kept his evil smirk on his face the entire secret ending. He never flinched when someone came toward him or anything.

~MX is cruel and evil. He crushes Ven’s head, with his bare hands, right in front of his dearest friends, freezes him, and carelessly throws him off a cliff to die. If that’s not a display of cruelty and sadism, I don’t know what is.

Xehanort's Heartless and Xemnas were both cruel. Xemnas only wanted to become whole. Remember however: he thinks hearts are the source of all power. He only wanted to be whole so he could have more power. And the way he tried to do that, we can call evil.

He, indifferently, allowed thousands of people to turn into heartless and nobodies, potentially dooming worlds to darkness, just so he could be whole.

After you defeat Xemnas' first armored mode, he states that he needs more hatred, more rage. Sora stated that there is more to a heart than just anger and hate, then he asked if Xemnas remembered.

Xemnas replied that he didn’t. Xemnas only remembers hate and rage, which are both very dark emotions.

Xehanort's Heartless uses darkness for his own, evil goals, which include opening KH and unleash the ultimate darkness he believes resides within it.

~MX, Xemnas, and XH all have guardians. MX’s apprentice acts as his, XH has his “Guardian” Heartless, and Xemnas’ clone acts as a guardian in the final battle.

They leave most of the attacking to them, but all are very capable of holding their own, if needed.

~MX, Xehanort's Heartless and Xemnas excel in both physical strength and magical capabilities.

~XH and Xemnas both hold a high status among their kind. XH is, so far, the most powerful heartless ever created. The only one to have kept human form. He also holds control over practically all the other Heartless.

Xemnas is the leader, founder, and likely the most powerful member of Organization XIII, who are composed of the most powerful nobodies ever created, also the only ones to have kept human form.

In one of the stages of the final battle, Xemnas wears armor that is very similar to a king’s. He also sits on a throne, and holds a scepter-like weapon, likely indicating his status as “king” of all nobodies.

From what we’ve seen, MX speaks very eloquently and confidently, as if he were of a high class, and he is a powerful keyblade master who is probably well known and respected among keyblade users. We see his power first hand in the BBS video.

~All three of them are prone to making dramatic facial expressions and/or moving their hands when they talk:http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x...milarities.jpg

Xemnas, in particular, a lot of his expressions look like MX's does in that scan...

~Connections with the knights. Xemnas is clearly familiar with them, and if he was MX, it's explained how he knows of them.

So do you see now? The only way to explain both of these is MX posessing Terra. Just like XH did to Riku, and since they are connected, this makes it more probable. This is really the only way, I'm afraid. Xehanort is so similar to both he needs them together for it to work.

This right here is more proof and evidence then you have given through the whole thread...

Originally Posted by Post #24(Hades)

You seem to have missed the entire point. This supports the theory that MX posessed Terra, because the two eye colors of the characters merge to form brown. It's very relevant.

Eye color is very relevent and is actual in game proof...

Originally Posted by Post #27(Hades)

Uh lol no:YouTube - Final Mix - Riku in the World of Darkness - Translated

But you're right, he doesn't have a nobody, because Ansem was using his body and soul while he was there, and he regained them later, meaning no nobody.

Actual in game evidence...

Originally Posted by Post #34(Myself)

**This works, if you toss the idea of Terra+MX=Xehanort and moves toward the idea that MX+DS=Xehanort, implying that the DS is a clone of Terra...
I'm moving along the belief that MX tries to absorb KH into himself... Power hungry... Which Xehanort, Xehanort's heartless and Xemnas also are... Xemnas, though, you must look much closer at to see...
Anyways, like Ansem's machine, he fails and Kingdom Hearts (which I believe is a KH he made) exploads... The result of the blast combines MX and DS into one person, sharing both of their appearences and whipes their memories clean... The blast might have also sent Xehanort to Radient Garden through a dark coridor... Also, there is the possibility that both of the secret endings foreshadow this event... In the first one, a figure that looks a lot like Xehanort is walking toward VAT... In the next, the figure turns to be MX (a lot different from the first)... Then, MX splits into two, the other being the DS...

Actual posible ingame foreshadowment...

Originally Posted by Post #51 (Myself)

Are you Xemnas or Nomura...? No... You cannot confidently claim that Xemnas did not want power... Xemnas himself pretty much confirms this... "Hearts are the source of all power" and later... "I need more rage, I need more hearts." Though I could be right or wrong, you cannot claim me wrong and not even give evidence of so...

Two in game quotes...

Originally Posted by Post #60(Myself)

Though Ansem could be wrong, it is currently the only thing we have to go with...

Gave Ansem report where Ansem said Namine could do what she was able to do because she was from within Sora...

As you can see... Hades and myself strongly supported our claims, while you barely did at all...

[Xuan]

Forgive me for harsh words, but the only rwason I didn't back up my words is that I thought you wouldn't be stupid enough to fail understanding and knowing obvious reasons. If even my pals in that crazy rule strict forum can understand and know those reasons (They're a bunch of madmen, as with me as well, and we're damn strict about this evidence/proof thing), why can't you? If it was so damn obvious that even an idiot could see, why put it up?

I am so lazy to explain anymore. The only proof I'm giving is LOGIC/COMMON SENSE. If you can't understand this, then perhaps my friend is completely correct: You're an idiot. He had given up his attempt to post anything in this forum because of this... complete failure in you to understand common sense and logic.

To compare you with Hades is absurd. It's like heaven and hell. He did not deny everything and acknowledged that everything is possible. You, however are hopeless. I couldn't believe you would say that Ansem the Darkness might not want to set everything into the Darkness. Worse, you want me to give EVIDENCE to support this concrete fact that's written all over the game.

Final example and post here, I'm not going to waste my breath convincing a kid that it is not too late to turn back, that's your parents' duty. Ansem the Darkness obtains power of Darkness to cover everything with Darkness. This is a very simple comparison. Imagine you have to travel 10km away to reach a destination. There's no way you gonna walk there, so you're simply gonna use the obvious way: Go by car, bas, etc transport. THE PERSON'S TRUE INTENTION IS TO REACH THE DESTINATION, NOT TO GET THE TRANSPORT. THE TRANSPORT IS ONLY A MEANS TO GET TO THE DESTINATION. THE PERSON DOES NOT DESIRE THE TRANSPORT. WHICH IS, ANSEM THE DARKNESS DOES NOT DESIRE THE POWER OF DARKNESS. IT IS ONLY A WAY, THE FASTEST WAY SO HE COULD COVER THE EVERYTHING WITH DARKNESS.