Thoughts on Nomura Interviews

[Chevalier Sombre]

Originally Posted by Xuan

"and two other things i want to know.

1) why did Terra's eyes go from blue to a yellowish color after seeing the conjured up kingdom hearts in the secret movie sunset horizon from KH2FM+ ?"

We actually know. You guys just didn't realise it yet. It would be just like Riku losing the battle against Roxas, and Riku decides he would use "The power that's sitiing in my heart. The power of Darkness." If you don't know, the blue eyes turn yellow actually means "The change from the use of Light to the use of Darkness". I actually wanted to say the turn from good to evil but that doesn't apply on Terra (or Riku) clearly.

If we look into the secret ending and imagine what will happen next, it is actually quite obvious. Master Xehanort had summoned Kingdom Hearts for whatever he wants. Terra sees his two companions down and helpless. Assuming his actions would be the same as Riku's (Actually, in a hero movie or game, ANYONE would do that), he decides to use his last resort that is the power of Darkness to combat Master Xehanort OR transferr Kingdom Hearts to somewhere else.

This is why Terra is similiar to Riku. Both of them walks the middle path. Both of them are "Naturals" to the Darkness. They hold no fear to the Darkness because erm...(hard to explain this. Let's just say that they are borned for Darkness) they are somewhat part of Darkness. But, in the midst of Darkness, they both held hope for the Light.

This is all common sense thinking actually... In my forum, this is already a fact...

Well, I do agree with you here, but sometimes, you have to go BEYOND comon sense, and think a bit outside the box.

Also, Ansem's apprentice, Xehanort is Terra is already a solid fact in our forum, even though there are people here who think otherwise for there is no clear proof...

Make that Terra+MX=Xehanort(unless this is what you meant), because anyone who thinks Xehanort is Terra by himself fails horribly.

About how Master Xehanort conjure Kingdom Hearts? Nah, remember he turned his Keyblade into a ball of something and throw into the sky? The Keyblade must have unlocked a door (or seal, etc.) that conceals Kingdom Hearts. Which is why Kingdom Hearts appeared there. THIS IS ONLY AN ASSUMPTION. However, if this assumption is true, this will mean that Kingdom Hearts originates from the three knights world, then something happened and it was transferred somewhere else (No need to say liao here. You guys can guess how and why it Kingdom Hearts was transferred away.)

The knights come from Hollow Bastion, I'm guessing.

[~azure.requiem]

~ i think nomura-sama does very well during his interviews. he releases just the right amount of info leaving the most important questions a complete mystery until he decides it's time to release it

[Xuan]

There is no supporting evidence that says that Master Xehanort+Terra=Ansem's apprentice, Xehanort. HOWEVER, there is supporting evidence that shows Xehanort and Terra are actually the same person. In our forum, people had made comparison of both their features and found many similarities.

I don't understand why you say anyone who think Xehanort is Terra by himself fails horribly. Explain.

And about thinking outside the box? Hell yeah, but all the other investigators said that I'm nuts for thinking too much outside the box. (HELL TONNES OF FUTURE PREDICTIONS THAT I'VE WROTE FAILED TO CONVINCE OTHER INVESTIGATORS DUE TO LACK OF INFO) So I'm downgrading a little.

The knights do not seem to come from Hollow Bastion, it should be another world. So far we've found nothing that says the knights come from Hollow Bastion, cause if you say it is, then Castle oblivion seems to be a stronger option (The carvings of MX's Keyblade have similarities with the designs of Castle Oblivion), especially when the castle is linked to the Crossroads and memories.

I dunno if anyone noticed, but in the secret ending, just before the scene of Mickey, Castle Oblivion was shown (The flash of cutscenes, I've paused many times to redouble check cause it's like 0.5~1second only).

[Chevalier Sombre]

Originally Posted by Xuan

There is no supporting evidence that says that Master Xehanort+Terra=Ansem's apprentice, Xehanort.

I cannot express how wrong you are here. You really need to get around more.

HOWEVER, there is supporting evidence that shows Xehanort and Terra are actually the same person. In our forum, people had made comparison of both their features and found many similarities.

As I have found many similarities between MX and Xehanort. You've just not heard of them, I take it, since nobody cares to focus on them.

I don't understand why you say anyone who think Xehanort is Terra by himself fails horribly. Explain.

Because of this: you are right. Various similarities exist between Xehanort and Terra. I'm well aware of them, I point them out to uninformed people on a regular basis.

You, however, seem to not know how many similarities exist between Xehanort and MX, which I will now point out for you:


~MX and XH's outfits are practically identical. XH's has a bit of yellow in it, and the Heartless insignia, but that's pretty much the only differences. Also, Xemnas wears the same boots as MX and XH.

~Their appearances are quite similar:http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x...Comparison.jpg
All of them have orange eyes, silver hair, their chins are squared off, Xemnas and MX have pointed ears, the necks are about the same size, they all have the samek skin tone...

~~MX, Xehanort, Xehanort's Heartless and Xemnas all share an obvious attraction/lust towards their respective Kingdom Hearts. The KH of all worlds for XH, the KH of men’s hearts for Xemnas, and that blue KH for MX.

~The way MX has his arms in the secret ending, behind his back, is a very common depiction of a scientist. Xehanort was also a scientist. Also, DiZ, who was also a scientist, is portrayed in this stance in a piece of concept art. Not in-game, but it’s still something.

Xaldin was also in this stance for a large part of the game. Now, while him being a scientist might make you go “WTF”, remember he was formerly Dilan, one of AtW’s apprentices, and therefore a scientist in his previous life.

~Xehanort's Heartless and Xemnas were very calm during battle as well as out of it. Xehanort's Heartless and Xemnas (not as much so) were somewhat cocky. They knew that they were powerful and were not afraid to show it.

Xehanort's Heartless basically called Sora stupid every time they met. He also underestimated the strength of Riku's heart because he thought he was too powerful for Riku to resist.

MX was also calm and cocky. How so? He kept both arms behind his back for a good amount of the Secret ending. He fought off Terra with one hand behind his back (literally). He kept his evil smirk on his face the entire secret ending. He never flinched when someone came toward him or anything.

~MX is cruel and evil. He crushes Ven’s head, with his bare hands, right in front of his dearest friends, freezes him, and carelessly throws him off a cliff to die. If that’s not a display of cruelty and sadism, I don’t know what is.

Xehanort's Heartless and Xemnas were both cruel. Xemnas only wanted to become whole. Remember however: he thinks hearts are the source of all power. He only wanted to be whole so he could have more power. And the way he tried to do that, we can call evil.

He, indifferently, allowed thousands of people to turn into heartless and nobodies, potentially dooming worlds to darkness, just so he could be whole.

After you defeat Xemnas' first armored mode, he states that he needs more hatred, more rage. Sora stated that there is more to a heart than just anger and hate, then he asked if Xemnas remembered.

Xemnas replied that he didn’t. Xemnas only remembers hate and rage, which are both very dark emotions.

Xehanort's Heartless uses darkness for his own, evil goals, which include opening KH and unleash the ultimate darkness he believes resides within it.

~MX, Xemnas, and XH all have guardians. MX’s apprentice acts as his, XH has his “Guardian” Heartless, and Xemnas’ clone acts as a guardian in the final battle.

They leave most of the attacking to them, but all are very capable of holding their own, if needed.

~MX, Xehanort's Heartless and Xemnas excel in both physical strength and magical capabilities.

~XH and Xemnas both hold a high status among their kind. XH is, so far, the most powerful heartless ever created. The only one to have kept human form. He also holds control over practically all the other Heartless.

Xemnas is the leader, founder, and likely the most powerful member of Organization XIII, who are composed of the most powerful nobodies ever created, also the only ones to have kept human form.

In one of the stages of the final battle, Xemnas wears armor that is very similar to a king’s. He also sits on a throne, and holds a scepter-like weapon, likely indicating his status as “king” of all nobodies.

From what we’ve seen, MX speaks very eloquently and confidently, as if he were of a high class, and he is a powerful keyblade master who is probably well known and respected among keyblade users. We see his power first hand in the BBS video.

~All three of them are prone to making dramatic facial expressions and/or moving their hands when they talk:http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x...milarities.jpg

Xemnas, in particular, a lot of his expressions look like MX's does in that scan...

~Connections with the knights. Xemnas is clearly familiar with them, and if he was MX, it's explained how he knows of them.

So do you see now? The only way to explain both of these is MX posessing Terra. Just like XH did to Riku, and since they are connected, this makes it more probable. This is really the only way, I'm afraid. Xehanort is so similar to both he needs them together for it to work.

And about thinking outside the box? Hell yeah, but all the other investigators said that I'm nuts for thinking too much outside the box. (HELL TONNES OF FUTURE PREDICTIONS THAT I'VE WROTE FAILED TO CONVINCE OTHER INVESTIGATORS DUE TO LACK OF INFO) So I'm downgrading a little.

Lol okay

The knights do not seem to come from Hollow Bastion, it should be another world. So far we've found nothing that says the knights come from Hollow Bastion, cause if you say it is, then Castle oblivion seems to be a stronger option (The carvings of MX's Keyblade have similarities with the designs of Castle Oblivion), especially when the castle is linked to the Crossroads and memories.

I'm still of the opinion that they're from Hollow Bastion, but whatever.

I dunno if anyone noticed, but in the secret ending, just before the scene of Mickey, Castle Oblivion was shown (The flash of cutscenes, I've paused many times to redouble check cause it's like 0.5~1second only).

*goes to look*

[pgerv12]

wow thx i understand. *impressed with all*

[Xuan]

It is impressive, I'll admit it. I'm discussing this with the other Investigators, hopefully they can get me a reply soon. Still, I find no reason for MX to possess Terra. And if you're referring to XH possessing Riku, that is a BIG mistake. Riku's face features has not changed whatsoever (Except the eyes maybe, I forgot). So if MX possess Terra Terra's features would not have changed. (If changed, like Riku's case, would become completely another Master Xehanort and not retain some of Terra's feature)

The hatred and rage part? Oh damn, if you use that part it is ALSO wrong. Terra was the one filled with hatred and rage. I could feel Terra's hatred and rage towards Master Xehanort so deeply that even now I feel the chills. That in turn affected his personality and also his Nobody Xemnas.

Terra is also a powerful Keyblade Master. Duh.

Their outfits looks identical? There are two ways of saying it: One is yours, another is that Terra's hatred and rage for MX was so powerful that even though he lost his memories, he still remembers Master Xehanort vaguely (He calls himself Xehanort because it's the only name he remember, the clothes are same cause it was his most vivid and terrible memories)

Terra, again I say, is a natural to Darkness. Xehanort which has lost his memories has no knowledge of this affinity, but when he was drawn towards the study of hearts, he studies the Darkness in people's heart. He even gives himself into the Darkness becausehe felt familiar with it.

There is one deciding proof (but still can be manipulated) that states MX will never join with Terra. Remember what MX says in a scan? He says, "One who is tainted by the Darkness has not the quality to wield a Keyblade. Please destroy him (Referring to Terra)!" Clearly he doesn't want to have any connection with the power of Darkness for in his opinion, who ever tainted by the Darkness does not qualify to wield Keyblades. Of course, this might change as we follow the story, who knows? But for now, it is a living proof that defies the theory of MX+Terra=Xehanort.

[Chevalier Sombre]

Originally Posted by Xuan

It is impressive, I'll admit it. I'm discussing this with the other Investigators, hopefully they can get me a reply soon. Still, I find no reason for MX to possess Terra. And if you're referring to XH possessing Riku, that is a BIG mistake. Riku's face features has not changed whatsoever (Except the eyes maybe, I forgot). So if MX possess Terra Terra's features would not have changed. (If changed, like Riku's case, would become completely another Master Xehanort and not retain some of Terra's feature)

I thought about this too, but the two scenarios are actually a little different. In Riku's case, he willingly allowed XH to possess him. Before he could even attempt to fight back he was overwhelmed. And he didn't even get to fully possess him, since Riku's heart left its body soon afterwards.

However, with Terra and MX, MX possessed Terra against his will, and this led to a struggle for dominance, resulting in a mixed appearance.

Let me ask you something: do you know what orange(MX) and blue(Terra) mix to make? Brown. Guess what color apprentice Xehanort's eyes are: brown.

The hatred and rage part? Oh damn, if you use that part it is ALSO wrong. Terra was the one filled with hatred and rage. I could feel Terra's hatred and rage towards Master Xehanort so deeply that even now I feel the chills. That in turn affected his personality and also his Nobody Xemnas.

You act as if MX is incapable of feeling those things. And yes, I'm aware of that comparison.

Terra is also a powerful Keyblade Master. Duh.

Wrong, he's an apprentice. Not particularly high in the hierarchy.

Their outfits looks identical? There are two ways of saying it: One is yours, another is that Terra's hatred and rage for MX was so powerful that even though he lost his memories, he still remembers Master Xehanort vaguely (He calls himself Xehanort because it's the only name he remember, the clothes are same cause it was his most vivid and terrible memories)

Still doesn't explain why he looks like MX.

Terra, again I say, is a natural to Darkness. Xehanort which has lost his memories has no knowledge of this affinity, but when he was drawn towards the study of hearts, he studies the Darkness in people's heart. He even gives himself into the Darkness becausehe felt familiar with it.

Would work, but see above.

There is one deciding proof (but still can be manipulated) that states MX will never join with Terra. Remember what MX says in a scan? He says, "One who is tainted by the Darkness has not the quality to wield a Keyblade. Please destroy him (Referring to Terra)!" Clearly he doesn't want to have any connection with the power of Darkness for in his opinion, who ever tainted by the Darkness does not qualify to wield Keyblades. Of course, this might change as we follow the story, who knows? But for now, it is a living proof that defies the theory of MX+Terra=Xehanort.

It doesn't really prove much. First off, I'd like you to show me where this scan be found (not that I think you're lying, but confirmation is nice).

Secondly, MX could be easily be lying. You saw him in the video. Look at him. He's a monster. Tell me someone like that considers darkness a weakness.

[Xuan]

You could find it in scans in this forum easily. I already know this so I won't tire myself finding a link when others could do it themselves.

If you say MX is a monster, then possessing Terra against his will should be "PIECE OF CAKE BABY!" Contradict statements you've given out.

Blue+Orange=Brown is just so out of the topic. What do you think they are, colour paints?

MX is calm and cocky. You said it yourself. I see no reason why he suddenly turns dark and rage. Terra however (Just like Cloud) fits the description better.

If Terra's an apprentice then Sora's a total sap. He doesn't even have a Master to teach him! Which leads to: Whoever able to wield a Keyblade could be considered a Keyblade Master. You are being close-minded in this case. Of course, I did not oppose that the keychain might have something to do with the title Keyblade Master or not, but remember that Terra could pick up a Keychained Keyblade.(If the Keyblade doesn't acknowledge him it will not be in Terra's hands)



Here is one of the replies from a veteran Investigator (By no means more veteran than me, Duh!):

{{my thoughts on this guys theory. He brings up good points, and what might seem plausible is totally thrown away by all the contradictions AND the fact that they do not follow current stuff in KH1 and Kh2.

first i dunno about ,u but since when do people having the same size neck and ears means they are connected? that is just him molding a common thing to his own benefit for his theory.

Master xehanort may have the same clothes, but XH heartless was the only one who had the same. So far as we know MX is a regular person, while Xh heartless is a heartless, and as his human form did not wear such clothes.

As far as the hands behind the back thing, his execuses is totaly an opinion on such a common thing. holding hands behind the back is not scientists factor. Xehanort did no do such a thing nor did xemnas. If this was true how come the rest of the 4 apprentices also sicentist, more so vexen, have their arms behiond their back?

He also says that they all act in the same manner, that they are calm and cocky. last time i checked nobodies like Xemnas cannot feel, whcih means he is also wrong about him feeling anger or hate, since those are emotions as well, he cannot feel them. MX only acted calm because the others couldnt even touch him where, as Xh heartless after being beaten acts differently.

Master xehanort also idetifies as one who has wrapped themselves in evil do not have the ability to wield a keyblade. now this sorta contradicts alot of things especially the way he acted towards the end of BBS.

Perhaps one of the biggest of all contradicts is the fact that he is bald and old. He could not have crashed landed in radiant garden, younger and with a full head of hair. Even with the possibiloty of the possesed thing doesnt quite fit, since after the crash landed dont u think the events of such woulda dispelled the possesing ability, it sure didnt take much for Riku to do it.

From what we know of xehanort he likes to take after his master, which can fully fit i nthe whole storyline.


My thought of this guy theory is foog, but not fully thought out and if he thinks anyone fails for thinking Terra is xehanort well he himself is fail, to disregaurd anyons theories.}}

[Chevalier Sombre]

Originally Posted by Xuan

You could find it in scans in this forum easily. I already know this so I won't tire myself finding a link when others could do it themselves.

Well, you brought it up, so I was expecting you to provide the evidence, but whatever, I'll find it myself...

If you say MX is a monster, then possessing Terra against his will should be "PIECE OF CAKE BABY!" Contradict statements you've given out.

Well, not really. See how Terra's eyes glow in the video? He might have used darkness, and caught MX off-guard, severely weakening him. Hence it would be a fairer fight.

Blue+Orange=Brown is just so out of the topic. What do you think they are, colour paints?

You seem to have missed the entire point. This supports the theory that MX posessed Terra, because the two eye colors of the characters merge to form brown. It's very relevant.

MX is calm and cocky. You said it yourself. I see no reason why he suddenly turns dark and rage. Terra however (Just like Cloud) fits the description better.

Think for a moment. Obviously MX's plans were halted because of Terra and his friends, otherwise things wouldn't be the way they were now.

Now, isn't it reasonable that MX would feel anger and hatred towards them for this?

If Terra's an apprentice then Sora's a total sap. He doesn't even have a Master to teach him! Which leads to: Whoever able to wield a Keyblade could be considered a Keyblade Master. You are being close-minded in this case.

Not really. I'm just stating the facts. Terra's status as a keyblade apprentice is lower than MX's as a powerful keyblade master. How many people do you think know about Terra, and how many people do you think know about MX?

Of course, I did not oppose that the keychain might have something to do with the title Keyblade Master or not, but remember that Terra could pick up a Keychained Keyblade.(If the Keyblade doesn't acknowledge him it will not be in Terra's hands)

Except that keyblade wasn't in the second video, and hence its existence in the first video is completely irrelevant asides establishing conections because it was obviously discarded.

first i dunno about ,u but since when do people having the same size neck and ears means they are connected? that is just him molding a common thing to his own benefit for his theory.

It's the same as connecting Terra to Xehanort because the two look alike. They're small things, yes, but when put together they have significance.

Master xehanort may have the same clothes, but XH heartless was the only one who had the same. So far as we know MX is a regular person, while Xh heartless is a heartless, and as his human form did not wear such clothes.

It doesn't matter which form wore what, the connection is established either way.

As far as the hands behind the back thing, his execuses is totaly an opinion on such a common thing. holding hands behind the back is not scientists factor. Xehanort did no do such a thing nor did xemnas. If this was true how come the rest of the 4 apprentices also sicentist, more so vexen, have their arms behiond their back?

It's not something every scientist does, I never said that. It's just something a lot of scientists do.Just because not every single scientist in KH doesn't do it does not mean you should disregard the connection.

He also says that they all act in the same manner, that they are calm and cocky. last time i checked nobodies like Xemnas cannot feel,

Ever heard of "acting"? A lot of the nobodies "acted" like they had emotions, but that doesn't mean they had them. Also, if you had paid closer attention, you would have seen the "not so much" regarding Xemnas.

MX only acted calm because the others couldnt even touch him where, as Xh heartless after being beaten acts differently.

And who guarantees MX wouldn't have acted the same way if he had been beaten? You don't know that.

Master xehanort also idetifies as one who has wrapped themselves in evil do not have the ability to wield a keyblade. now this sorta contradicts alot of things especially the way he acted towards the end of BBS.

Exactly.

Perhaps one of the biggest of all contradicts is the fact that he is bald and old. He could not have crashed landed in radiant garden, younger and with a full head of hair. Even with the possibiloty of the possesed thing doesnt quite fit, since after the crash landed dont u think the events of such woulda dispelled the possesing ability, it sure didnt take much for Riku to do it.

Riku didn't dispel it, he was just able to manifest himself for a few moments. The posession was "dispelled" when Sora defeated XH and the light from KH shone and defeated him. And in any case, MX and Terra were probably merged closer than Riku and XH were, like I expressed before.

From what we know of xehanort he likes to take after his master, which can fully fit i nthe whole storyline.

Naturally, but that doesn't explain why Xehanort looks like MX too.

My thought of this guy theory is foog, but not fully thought out and if he thinks anyone fails for thinking Terra is xehanort well he himself is fail, to disregaurd anyons theories.}}

I don't completely disregard them, I just don't think them very likely. I apologize if you felt this way, that wasn't what I meant.

Also, you have yet to explain a few things, such as why Xehanort the apprentice's hair is silver and his eyes brown. What caused this?

Overall, in my personal opinion, it's much more likely that MX posessed Terra than just Terra by himself becoming Xehanort. Looking at all the eividence, the latter seems more likely.

[Xuan]

Well, I'm in no position to argue cause my brain isn't functioning 100%, not yet. I'll take a break while I wait the veteran Investigator I told you about to make his reply on this thread... Hopefully there'll be a solution.

[lionsbarrage]

guess xuan didnt want to explode his brain,

The neck and ears thing doesnt come as close as to the hiarstyle of Terra, and really hardly anyone would notice a neck or ear thing as much, although these features arent so much a big deal.

As far as the clothes, evidentally we know xeahnort likes to copy his master, when a person becomes a heartless they change, the clothes were only on his heartless when he became it, although i cant say what he looked like before he took over Riku, buts itr prolly just another thing to signify why he had the clothes, and took his name much like he did with ansem.

as for the hands behind the back, its not just sienctist, its people, alot of people do that or do something else of the sort. Really the only role it plays here is a common thing amongst people, its something they may have in common but not neccesarily connected.

As for the acting, u cant act it out if u cannot feel, w/e they tried to act was easily spotted, and w/e actions taken, if no real emotion is behind it means nothing, and it is reflected. Since this really had hardly anything to do with MX and xemnas then this can be totally disreguarded in the fact of it being connected atall.

WHil its true u cant prove MX woulda acted the same or differently had he been getting hurt or beaten, neither can u suggest they act the same way most of the time either, we only have little evidence so far.

I thought about this too, but the two scenarios are actually a little different. In Riku's case, he willingly allowed XH to possess him. Before he could even attempt to fight back he was overwhelmed. And he didn't even get to fully possess him, since Riku's heart left its body soon afterwards.

However, with Terra and MX, MX possessed Terra against his will, and this led to a struggle for dominance, resulting in a mixed appearance.

Let me ask you something: do you know what orange(MX) and blue(Terra) mix to make? Brown. Guess what color apprentice Xehanort's eyes are: brown.

Riku did not attempt to fight back, he didnt even need to do anything, as u said he let him in, he let the darkness in, does that mean there was some kind of struggle when Riku relized, maybe maybe not. And Rikus heart did not leave his body, cause that in turn would turn him into a heartless and create a nobody in which he did not, so far as we know.

And as far as the posses ability Sora may have helped, but w/e happaned XH was able to fully be again, he only took Riku cause he wanted a physical body, which is a total different situation then what u are trying to say with M XH and Terra. AS far as stronger grip goes, theres just no way cause Riku couldnt fight back and even after all of that XH heartless was still in him.

As far as doesnt explain why the story doesnt explain why he looks like MXH, well fact is he doesnt, aside from the clothes maybe some common features he doesnt, if M XH was wounger maybe that could shed some light, but not when hes old and bald.

As for what things do i need to explain, last time i checked this isnt my thoery, my thoery on Terra equals Xehanort is on our forums, i just came here to say what i thought, cause Xuan posted it in ours.
AS for what i think about why Xehanort has silver hair or his brown eyes. Well to be honest i dont think 10 years would be enough for him to grow grey hair even in the same hairstyle. Maybe it had something to do with the way he ended up in radiant garden? which in turn awnsers another question as to where the 3 knights were from. S that basically says that Xehanort, wether Teera or M XH is not from there.

AS for the brown eyes, well i think that may have to do with visual perception. Saying that blue and orange making brown isnt viable, almost everyhting end up making brown. it prolly is How maybe Riku eyes were in Kh2, we never go to see the color of his eyes although we know they were the same as xehanort. It maybe that xehanort while unknowing of his past and evil, didnt show as much as if he was totally evil, and it may just be a watered down version of it. But since his eyes cant lie, it wouldnt go back to blue.

[Chevalier Sombre]

Originally Posted by lionsbarrage

guess xuan didnt want to explode his brain,

The neck and ears thing doesnt come as close as to the hiarstyle of Terra, and really hardly anyone would notice a neck or ear thing as much, although these features arent so much a big deal.

Funny how nobody seemed to notice those similarities to Terra until recently. You just have to look deeper.

As far as the clothes, evidentally we know xeahnort likes to copy his master, when a person becomes a heartless they change, the clothes were only on his heartless when he became it, although i cant say what he looked like before he took over Riku, buts itr prolly just another thing to signify why he had the clothes, and took his name much like he did with ansem.

Possible, but nevertheless the clothing is a connection, and you can't get around that.

as for the hands behind the back, its not just sienctist, its people, alot of people do that or do something else of the sort. Really the only role it plays here is a common thing amongst people, its something they may have in common but not neccesarily connected.

We might as well drop this particular point, I see it's not going to go anywhere.

As for the acting, u cant act it out if u cannot feel, w/e they tried to act was easily spotted, and w/e actions taken, if no real emotion is behind it means nothing, and it is reflected.

So you could tell Marluxia, Vexen, Lexaeus, and the others were acting? They seemed fairly convincing to me.

WHil its true u cant prove MX woulda acted the same or differently had he been getting hurt or beaten, neither can u suggest they act the same way most of the time either, we only have little evidence so far.

I think it is. It seems very clear to me and a lot of people that XH is practically a younger MX.

Riku did not attempt to fight back, he didnt even need to do anything, as u said he let him in, he let the darkness in, does that mean there was some kind of struggle when Riku relized, maybe maybe not.

If there wasn't some kind of struggle, I doubt Riku would have been able to stop Ansem and buy Kairi, Donald, and Goofy enough time to get away.

And Rikus heart did not leave his body, cause that in turn would turn him into a heartless and create a nobody in which he did not, so far as we know.

Uh lol no:YouTube - Final Mix - Riku in the World of Darkness - Translated

But you're right, he doesn't have a nobody, because Ansem was using his body and soul while he was there, and he regained them later, meaning no nobody.

And as far as the posses ability Sora may have helped, but w/e happaned XH was able to fully be again, he only took Riku cause he wanted a physical body, which is a total different situation then what u are trying to say with M XH and Terra.

Well, sort of. MX posessed Terra because he had no other alternative. In this scenario, Terra's attack had weakened him greatly, and Terra and the others would beat him if he didn't do something.

As far as doesnt explain why the story doesnt explain why he looks like MXH, well fact is he doesnt, aside from the clothes maybe some common features he doesnt, if M XH was wounger maybe that could shed some light, but not when hes old and bald.

You act as if appearances can't change in KH. Also, you are mistaken when saying he's not like XH and Xemnas. I can provide a picture if you want, though to be honest I doubt you'd admit even then, the way your thoughts seem to be patterned.

AS for what i think about why Xehanort has silver hair or his brown eyes. Well to be honest i dont think 10 years would be enough for him to grow grey hair even in the same hairstyle. Maybe it had something to do with the way he ended up in radiant garden?

Give an example, please.

AS for the brown eyes, well i think that may have to do with visual perception. Saying that blue and orange making brown isnt viable, almost everyhting end up making brown.

Doesn't quite explain why Terra's eyes changed color, however.

it prolly is How maybe Riku eyes were in Kh2, we never go to see the color of his eyes although we know they were the same as xehanort. It maybe that xehanort while unknowing of his past and evil, didnt show as much as if he was totally evil, and it may just be a watered down version of it. But since his eyes cant lie, it wouldnt go back to blue.

This point is largely irrelevant though, because Riku had Xehanort inside him, just like Terra would in this case. Hence this only supports what I'm saying.

[lionsbarrage]

well again, so far as we know u cant just become younger, maybe KH has something to do with it, who knows.

As far as Riku losing his heart, it didnt happen and that video isnt proof, him and king mickey were sealed on the other side, and much like ansem was Riku was put in the same posistion, but they did not lose theier heart.

As for pictures believe me i have seen them all, and though i already admitted they are few similarities, it just doesnt seem so to the ones in our forums anyways.

And i wasnt supporting ur theory on the eyes. cause Terra as we can plainly see got those eyes without being possesed, due to the certain circumstances, much similar to Riku and Roxas.

As for the hair and stuff i still cant explain, maybe some cosmic events triggered it, sorta like Rogue in the X-men movie or something like that. The posses thing while possible, seems so unlikely in alot of ways, especially when we look at what we have seen and what the characters have said i nthe scans.

[Chevalier Sombre]

Originally Posted by lionsbarrage

well again, so far as we know u cant just become younger, maybe KH has something to do with it, who knows.

Yep, KH was exactly what I was thinking, but considering Xehanort' similarities to Terra, I don't think it's that likely any more.

As far as Riku losing his heart, it didnt happen and that video isnt proof, him and king mickey were sealed on the other side, and much like ansem was Riku was put in the same posistion, but they did not lose theier heart.

....(facepalm)(headdesk)

I figured you'd pull something like that. Mickey didn't lose his heart, but Riku did. Didn't you listen to Mickey AT ALL?

Your heart has overcome the darkness...but you couldn't regain your body. So only your heart was left behind, in this dark side where stolen hearts are gathered

If you refuse to acknowledge this as proof, you've lost a great deal of credibility (no offense).

As for pictures believe me i have seen them all, and though i already admitted they are few similarities, it just doesnt seem so to the ones in our forums anyways.

Well then, I think you guys are ignoring/refusing to acknowledge something very obvious, =/ .

And i wasnt supporting ur theory on the eyes. cause Terra as we can plainly see got those eyes without being possesed, due to the certain circumstances, much similar to Riku and Roxas.

And I guess it never occured to you that such might have been symbolic? I mean, Roxas had glowing golden eyes in Deep Dive, but he had no such thing in the actual game. Of course, this doesn't mean that it would be completely meaningless in this case, but you se my point.

It's like MX and his apprentice: one split from the other, but it doesn't have to be like that in the final product either.

Keep in mind that it is a concept video and not everything should be taken literally. Just look at the keyblades in the first video: they're nowehere to be found in the second one.

As for the hair and stuff i still cant explain, maybe some cosmic events triggered it, sorta like Rogue in the X-men movie or something like that.

Until then, though, MX posessing him makes much more sense.

The posses thing while possible, seems so unlikely in alot of ways, especially when we look at what we have seen and what the characters have said i nthe scans.

It's, in my honest opinion, A LOT more likely to happen than simply Terra going through some changes and subconsciously imitating MX.

Something I feel like telling you: I'm not really that fond of this theory. In fact, I used to try to disprove using very similar arguments to the ones you are using. If it were up to me, Terra wouldn't be Xehanort in any shape or form (or at least not the original Terra). But I'd rather see MX possesing Terra than just Terra becoming Xehanort by himself, =/ .

[Xuan]

In the secret ending, there was a part where Terra's eyes turned from blue to brown. I think it's then his eyes were doomed to hold that brown forever, for it signifies that he uses the Darkness to its fullest extent.

About MX possessing Terra? I still disagree. However, I acknowledge the possibility that Terra and MX might have joined together for a reason.

MX is so fuking poewrful, why would he want to join with Terra? Saying the 3 knights weakening MX greatly is ridiculous for Terra is the only one left with any strength to fight.

My thoughts is probably that Terra FORCED MX to fuse with him by using his power of Darkness to the fullest extent (Of course the consequences are great, no need for me to say). This scenario fits more likely then saying MX forced Terra to fuse with him. (Well duh, MX's intention is DEFINITELY not to become younger, if you think long enough you will find it completely ridiculous. He wanted something from KH)

However, Terra is Xehanort definitely stands, no doubt about it. Whether MX+Terra is Xehanort we dunno, but Terra is definitely part of Xehanort.