Axel is Terra

[Karate]

Originally Posted by Cid

Well, I already said something like that time ago, so I agree it is possible.

About the name, it means nothing because we have Xehanort/Xemnas

You forget, Xehanort thought he was Ansem, so that auto-pwns your post

Kairi/Namine.

Was not in the Organization, so it doesn't count.

Most of the time name are aagram, but for Xemnas he stole the name Ansem.

No he lost the memory and thought he was Ansem.

Namine I don't know how she found her name.

The guess is Marluxia named her.

It is not entirely impossible to imagine Terra stole a name too.

If he remembers he's Terra, then yes it is impossible.


Once you enter the Organization, your name is anagramized with "X". Meaning Axel's true name consisted of the three letters "A, E, L" and those three only.

Terra however still couldn't be Axel's other, even if he didn't remember that he was Terra. Whatever happened to Terra, happened before heartless were created. Without heartless, there is no nobody. So that doubly auto-fails this thread.

And that rules out the XIVth member being:
Kairi
Namine
Aqua

Originally Posted by The smexiness named VAT

Someone else said you were. Waay back in that thread about why KH doesn't get Halo treatment.

1. That was me.
2. I said he was fourteen, not fifteen.

[Lezard Valeth]

Originally Posted by PostMentalFerocity

You forget, Xehanort thought he was Ansem, so that auto-pwns your post

No he lost the memory and thought he was Ansem.

Sorry if I say mistake, but Xehanort... Didn't he remember the name "Xehanort" ? AtW called him Xehanort, so Xehanort knew what he was doing : he didn't think at the beggining he was Asem but stole to Ansem his identity. Maybe he felt in an imaginary world where he took himself for Ansem : but he knew what he was doing, since he remember being called first Xehanort and remember his master, so I guess he know he is not AtW.

If he remembers he's Terra, then yes it is impossible.

So, it suposes Terra cannot lie?

Once you enter the Organization, your name is anagramized with "X". Meaning Axel's true name consisted of the three letters "A, E, L" and those three only.

And if he lied on his name? And if he lost memory?

Terra however still couldn't be Axel's other, even if he didn't remember that he was Terra. Whatever happened to Terra, happened before heartless were created. Without heartless, there is no nobody. So that doubly auto-fails this thread.

Mass production heartless didn't exist. But, in suposing darkness always existed, so I guess there isalways been people who could fall into darkness, and so becomes and heartless, and nobody. So, it is possible, it seems likely that heartless always existed but in very few number. In KHI, we don't see nobody (except xems in KHFM), it doesn't imply nobody doesn't exist.

[Thrax]

I'm sorry guys but can someone tell me who MX and DS are? Im not a Newbie but here in Switzerland we speculate with another words lol

[Lezard Valeth]

Mx is Master Xehanort, the old man wearing Ansem heartless outfit and attacking the knight in BBS, the DS is his apprentice we see in BBS too.

[Karate]

Originally Posted by Cid

Sorry if I say mistake, but Xehanort... Didn't he remember the name "Xehanort" ? AtW called him Xehanort, so Xehanort knew what he was doing : he didn't think at the beggining he was Asem but stole to Ansem his identity. Maybe he felt in an imaginary world where he took himself for Ansem : but he knew what he was doing, since he remember being called first Xehanort and remember his master, so I guess he know he is not AtW.

Sora: It's full of all kinds of feelings. Don'cha remember?
Xemnas: Unfortunately I don't

He didn't remember being Xehanort at the time of taking Ansem's name. He also could have remembered after naming himself Xemnas.

So, it suposes Terra cannot lie?

What reason would he have to?

And if he lied on his name? And if he lost memory?

If he lost his memory, he still couldn't be Axel's other. The Organization knows your true name. If he was Terra, they'd know, and he'd be called a name with x anagramized in it.

If he did remember he was Terra, then why doesn't Axel have Keyblades.

Mass production heartless didn't exist. But, in suposing darkness always existed, so I guess there isalways been people who could fall into darkness, and so becomes and heartless, and nobody. So, it is possible, it seems likely that heartless always existed but in very few number. In KHI, we don't see nobody (except xems in KHFM), it doesn't imply nobody doesn't exist.

Nope. Wrong.

Nomura said that heartless and nobodies weren't created back then.

Didn't you read the interviews?
Did you even play KH2? Xemnas says that AtW is the source of all heartless. That would include purebloods.

Without a heartless, there can be no nobody. If heartlesses and nobodies weren't created back then, it would be impossible for Terra, Aqua, and Ven to have a nobody wouldn't it?

[Lezard Valeth]

Originally Posted by PostMentalFerocity

He didn't remember being Xehanort at the time of taking Ansem's name. He also could have remembered after naming himself Xemnas.]

Yes, but he knew who was Ansem. He knew he ws not Ansem, when we see the scene from the past, AtW clearly call him Xehanort and he clearly understands that he is speaking to him, meaning he used the name Xehanort before stealing Ansem's name.

What reason would he have to?

I don't know, if he is really Axel, I hope we will find the reason in BBS in playing.

If he lost his memory, he still couldn't be Axel's other. The Organization knows your true name. If he was Terra, they'd know, and he'd be called a name with x anagramized in it.

Can you please say me how the organization know the true name? Because actually, nothing prooves it, so it's more like an hypothesis to say they know the true name.

If he did remember he was Terra, then why doesn't Axel have Keyblades.

One more time Ion't know. Maybe for not making Xemnas suspicious, we can't know what are his motives for joining Organization. I prefer let BBS give the answer if this theory is right.

Nomura said that heartless and nobodies weren't created back then

Didn't you read the interviews?
Did you even play KH2? Xemnas says that AtW is the source of all heartless. That would include purebloods.

Interview states there is not heartless, it is before Xehanort created hem, something like that. But Xehanort created mass heartless production, million of them. I say there were very few, if heartless really didn't exist, so that means darkness didn't exist.
At this moment, I thought Xemnas did his best to depress AtW. In this kind of moment, I prefer to not trust at 100% what Xemnas says.

Without a heartless, there can be no nobody. If heartlesses and nobodies weren't created back then, it would be impossible for Terra, Aqua, and Ven to have a nobody wouldn't it?

Yes, if heartless we non existent at this time. But I think there were few existing, but so few that no one saw them.

[Karate]

Originally Posted by Cid

Yes, but he knew who was Ansem. He knew he ws not Ansem, when we see the scene from the past, AtW clearly call him Xehanort and he clearly understands that he is speaking to him, meaning he used the name Xehanort before stealing Ansem's name.

I'm saying that at the time he named himself Xemnas, he didn't know that he was Xehanort. Why would he name himself Xemnas if he didn't think he was Ansem.

I don't know, if he is really Axel, I hope we will find the reason in BBS in playing.

He's not. There is 100% proof that you're trying to disprove, but guess what? What Nomura says goes over what you think, so you fail.

Can you please say me how the organization know the true name? Because actually, nothing prooves it, so it's more like an hypothesis to say they know the true name.

When Sora lost his heart, an unnamed nobody wakes up in Twilight Town. Xemnas appears and the name "Roxas" is shown in front of him.

If Roxas had no memories of being Sora, how is his name Roxas? He couldn't tell Xemnas his name was Sora is he had no memories of being Sora.

One more time Ion't know. Maybe for not making Xemnas suspicious, we can't know what are his motives for joining Organization. I prefer let BBS give the answer if this theory is right.

You can't think of anything that remotely supports your wild claims. That's why you don't know.

Interview states there is not heartless, it is before Xehanort created hem, something like that. But Xehanort created mass heartless production, million of them. I say there were very few, if heartless really didn't exist, so that means darkness didn't exist.
At this moment, I thought Xemnas did his best to depress AtW. In this kind of moment, I prefer to not trust at 100% what Xemnas says.

No, Nomura says that heartless didn't exist back then. So that means there isn't even one. Why can't you understand that? What Nomura says goes over your opinion. Your opinion can be wrong, what Nomura says is the truth. So if Nomura says there are no heartless, then there are no heartless; not one or two floating around somewhere.

Yes, if heartless we non existent at this time. But I think there were few existing, but so few that no one saw them.

Nope. Wrong. Fail.

[Sephiros_TH]

this theory, no offense, is almost impossible.
1. Axel would have a keyblade if he were Tera
2. that seen shows fire because, like Sora, Tera can use magic spells.
3. axel and Tera don't even look alike, thats a mater of perspective, besides if you really look at xehanort his heartless and his nobody then you will see that xehanort has the same facial design as Tera and his nobody mixed with xehanorts hair are almost the same as Tera's, xehanort is a much better match.
4. ven isn't roxas or sora, he is in some way connected to both of them but ven isn't roxas so van and Tera's friendship isn't related plus axel doesn't show any memory of the events in BBS unlike xemnas who does.
5. axel isn't nearly as important as Xehanort/Xemnas, he was just a tool to advance the story, sure he gets allot of screen time, but Xemnas was much more important to the story.
6. Tera's name means earth not fire
7. axel has very limited, if any at all, with kingdom hearts itself, he never experienced it, he never said anything about it, and he didn't seem to care much about it so why would he be Tera and retain all that memory about kingdom hearts and be completely uninterested, he wasn't obsessed like xemnas.
8. why would nomura make Tera become axel who isn't even a major character, unlike xehanort/xemnas who created the major plot line of the game series

I could come up with more but I think this is enough to prove a point

[Lezard Valeth]

Originally Posted by PostMentalFerocity

He didn't remember being Xehanort at the time of taking Ansem's name. He also could have remembered after naming himself Xemnas.

I thought a nobody when he born got the memory of his previous self? It is not say it is not immediate. So, Xemnas could remember, beside I think when he became a nbody, Xehanort immediately created the Organization XIII and did the rule of Name + X . So even if he got memory a little later, he could have done Xehanort + X, what he didn't.

He's not. There is 100% proof that you're trying to disprove, but guess what? What Nomura says goes over what you think, so you fail.

Nomura said "Axel is not Terra's nobody, I assure you nothing in BBS will say something about this theory." Please give me a link to this interview. If you want reason, there can be many, infiltrating the organization, without heart he does not care their plan but doesn't want be alone, still he knows being an old keyblade weilder wi make him hard life, etc...

When Sora lost his heart, an unnamed nobody wakes up in Twilight Town. Xemnas appears and the name "Roxas" is shown in front of him.

If Roxas had no memories of being Sora, how is his name Roxas? He couldn't tell Xemnas his name was Sora is he had no memories of being Sora.

Two possibility : we refer to what seems having happened : Roxas was a normal nobody and had Sora's memories for very few time, and could say his name, before Sora regain his heart.
Or we can supose Xemnas or one member looked after Sora, saw what happened, and by logic, he guess that the nobody appearing when Sora disapears is Sora's nobody.

You can't think of anything that remotely supports your wild claims. That's why you don't know.

Actually, i'm not here for making a complex theory. if you want, I can think about it, but it needs time. Like I said before, because Axl in the org acted for "fun" most time, and wearing keyblade would have put him in bad position, revealing his past. or maybe he lost memory, or without a bound to a heart he cannot summon it.

No, Nomura says that heartless didn't exist back then. So that means there isn't even one. Why can't you understand that? What Nomura says goes over your opinion. Your opinion can be wrong, what Nomura says is the truth. So if Nomura says there are no heartless, then there are no heartless; not one or two floating around somewhere.

It is true that Nomura is know for saying in his interview the absolute truth with a lot detail, right? Nomura doesn't say the detail and often change his will. Beside, like I said, if heartless never existed in few number, so that means Darkness didn't exist too.

[Karate]

Originally Posted by Cid

I thought a nobody when he born got the memory of his previous self? It is not say it is not immediate. So, Xemnas could remember, beside I think when he became a nbody, Xehanort immediately created the Organization XIII and did the rule of Name + X . So even if he got memory a little later, he could have done Xehanort + X, what he didn't.

Whatever.

Nomura said "Axel is not Terra's nobody, I assure you nothing in BBS will say something about this theory." Please give me a link to this interview. If you want reason, there can be many, infiltrating the organization, without heart he does not care their plan but doesn't want be alone, still he knows being an old keyblade weilder wi make him hard life, etc...

Nomura said thatheartless didn't exist back then. That's what you're trying to disprove.

Two possibility : we refer to what seems having happened : Roxas was a normal nobody and had Sora's memories for very few time, and could say his name, before Sora regain his heart.
Or we can supose Xemnas or one member looked after Sora, saw what happened, and by logic, he guess that the nobody appearing when Sora disapears is Sora's nobody.

How would he know Roxas was Sora?

Actually, i'm not here for making a complex theory. if you want, I can think about it, but it needs time. Like I said before, because Axl in the org acted for "fun" most time, and wearing keyblade would have put him in bad position, revealing his past. or maybe he lost memory, or without a bound to a heart he cannot summon it.

You do know Roxas is a nobody right?

It is true that Nomura is know for saying in his interview the absolute truth with a lot detail, right? Nomura doesn't say the detail and often change his will.

True. Nomura is known for changing his mind a lot. But until that day comes, which I doubt he will about this, that's the truth, so no nobodies can form.

Beside, like I said, if heartless never existed in few number, so that means Darkness didn't exist too.

No, darkness and light are eternal. Heartless always haven't been around, Why is this concept so hard for you to grasp even though the creator of the damn game says so?

[Lezard Valeth]

Originally Posted by PostMentalFerocity

Nomura said thatheartless didn't exist back then. That's what you're trying to disprove.

True. Nomura is known for changing his mind a lot. But until that day comes, which I doubt he will about this, that's the truth, so no nobodies can form.

No, darkness and light are eternal. Heartless always haven't been around, Why is this concept so hard for you to grasp even though the creator of the damn game says so?

If Darkness exist, so people can be drawn to it, or fall onside, etc. Right? If they fall in darkness in KH I and II, they become heartless. So, what you mean is that before Xehanort see by himself somebody falling in darkness, people falling in it didn't become heartless? I'm sorry, but I don't think it is possible.

It seems logic that if somebody fall in darkness, they become heartless, I don't see what Xehanort change to this fact. Xehanort saw it, studied them and mass produced them. He didn't invente, he just forced people to fall in darkness, not meaning before he did it never happened, except if you think the world had no one with darkness in their heart who could dive in it at BBS time.

It's why Nomura's word must be take with precaution. Beside, it is an interview translated from japanses, so not exactly the same, and when Nomura says "heartless didn't exist at BBS", it can perfectly be interpretted by Mass production heartless. I'm pretty sure I am not the only one thinking like that.

How would he know Roxas was Sora?

Well, since only people with strong heart become nobody with human form, and that he knew Sora heart fall in darkness, since human form nobody doesn't appear every day, it's pretty easy to guess.

You do know Roxas is a nobody right?

Yes, and we all know he has emotion because he is bound to Sora's heart.

Originally Posted by Sephiros_TH

1. Axel would have a keyblade if he were Tera

Not if he wants hide identity, cannot use it without heart,forgot about is, is lazy as nobody.

2. that seen shows fire because, like Sora, Tera can use magic spells.

;olv

True, but for now most ofhis attack are fire.

3. axel and Tera don't even look alike, thats a mater of perspective, besides if you really look at xehanort his heartless and his nobody then you will see that xehanort has the same facial design as Tera and his nobody mixed with xehanorts hair are almost the same as Tera's, xehanort is a much better match.

Nobody are different from previous self, and we don't know what could happen at the end of BBS.

4. ven isn't roxas or sora, he is in some way connected to both of them but ven isn't roxas so van and Tera's friendship isn't related plus axel doesn't show any memory of the events in BBS unlike xemnas who does.

Like said before, maybe he doesn't remember because he lost memory. Or he hides what he knows. And their friendship is the point I think : Axel and Terra are the only one to have this friendship, maybe due to uncosncious memory, look alike, etc...

5. axel isn't nearly as important as Xehanort/Xemnas, he was just a tool to advance the story, sure he gets allot of screen time, but Xemnas was much more important to the story.

If he is Terra, then he will be more important. beside, we don't know what Axel really did before and what he will do when he will reborn as whole.

6. Tera's name means earth not fire

We can find link between Earth and Fire, and the name means the connection to another keyblade weilder likely, not Xemnas.

7. axel has very limited, if any at all, with kingdom hearts itself, he never experienced it, he never said anything about it, and he didn't seem to care much about it so why would he be Tera and retain all that memory about kingdom hearts and be completely uninterested, he wasn't obsessed like xemnas.

Maybe because when he lost his heart he wasn't interested any more. It is said he is boring since he became Nobody.

8. why would nomura make Tera become axel who isn't even a major character, unlike xehanort/xemnas who created the major plot line of the game series

Maybe because Axel part in the serie will be more important, and if he is it can explain things that happened in org previously, event that we don't know yet.

[V.A.T.13]

*eats popcorn* I'd butt in to correct all of you, buuut I'm far too lazy.

[Crimson Soul]

Originally Posted by Cid

Mx is Master Xehanort, the old man wearing Ansem heartless outfit and attacking the knight in BBS, the DS is his apprentice we see in BBS too.

I would just like to point out that It would be Ansem's heartless wearing MX's outfit because he came first. But for the many reason said already I really doubt Axel is terra! I just don't think the makers are that lazy and retard too have it so!

[Lezard Valeth]

Yes, true for MX, didn't see my mistake sooner, thanks for pointing it out.

Actually, me too I don't think Axel will be Terra's nobody because Nomura had other idea I think. But, I like the idea, so I defend it. Beside, if he really does a good plot, it could work.

[Ultima Fenrir]

Just the title of the thread dismisses the possibility of the theory being true. No reading necessary.