How did Ansem the Wise find Xehanort? Also, a Conspiracy!

[Destiny's End]

Don't be fooled by the title of the thread. I meant how did he find him, as in Xehanort's Condition. I got this one report.

My efforts these many years have come to fruitation, with the world I govern having become a paradise worthy of being called “Radiant Garden.” Nurtured by the pure water that is the source of life, fragrant flowers bloom in abundance, and the people face each day with hopeful smiles. But where there is light, darkness always lurks. As noted in my earlier reports, I must solve the mystery of this “darkness of the heart.” This paradise depends on it.

I shall perform and experiment to probe the depths of a person’s heart. One of my own apprentices, Xehanort, has volunteered to be a subject. The young man has served me ever since I nursed him back from death’s door some years ago. He had lost all his memories at the time, but later showed remarkable intellectual curiosity and readily absorbed my teachings, gaining deep wisdom. Any mental immaturity is surely due to his young age.

If I explore Xehanort’s heart with psychological tests, I may be able to recall the past locked away within. My apprentice, Even, has also shown great interest in Xehanort’s memories. But is he really the right subject? Xehanort does indeed exhibit extraordinary talents…

Too extraordinary…

Perhaps they are even superhuman.

It only says that Ansem the Wise found Xehanort almost in critical condition if that's what the "death's door" comment meant. You know what I've always noticed. Out of everything, nothing has been mentioned about how Xehanort looked. He must've been younger than he was in the cutscene in KH2 since King Mickey was there and all. Isn't it odd that there's no mention of what he was wearing, if he mumbled anything, or appeared as if he was motionless? Seeing as how the only name he could remember is "Xehanort", that rules out if he said anything. But it makes me wonder. How exactly was he found? Was he found on the streets, did he just appear in some other fashion, or what?

Also about his talents. What extraordinary talents did he have? Why was Ansem and the Organization (well, soon to be organization) have such interest in his memories? His talents appear to "Superhuman" said Ansem. That leads me to believe Xehanort himself will be the boss, the evil behind KH3.

Don't Flame me for this, but I'm starting to be a little shady about Xehanort's Memories. How does one lose their memories anyway? Ansem the Wise was doing an experiment on Darkness in people's hearts, and all of a sudden, Xehanort happened to volunteer? I know that he did it to see if he could regain some memories, but how would think that experiment would help him, and since Vexen was so interested, what else is there? Xehanort probably showed so much interest in the experiments maybe you think he had regained a bit of his memories and wanted to know more about this subject to use it? I think it's a bit shady, then all of a sudden, the original 6 Organization Members begin to turn on Ansem the Wise. What did happen to them? Did Xehanort get to them first, is some other force behind this, or maybe this was all planned from the beginning?

Also, why was Ansem so interested in the Darkness in people's hearts if he was such a wise and just ruler? Probably a hint of Foreshadowing after what happened to him. I find it hard to believe that just the experiments changed Ansem's Apprentices.

If you're gonna flame me, at least keep it clean.

[OmniChaos]

It only says that Ansem the Wise found Xehanort almost in critical condition if that's what the "death's door" comment meant. You know what I've always noticed. Out of everything, nothing has been mentioned about how Xehanort looked. He must've been younger than he was in the cutscene in KH2 since King Mickey was there and all. Isn't it odd that there's no mention of what he was wearing, if he mumbled anything, or appeared as if he was motionless? Seeing as how the only name he could remember is "Xehanort", that rules out if he said anything. But it makes me wonder. How exactly was he found? Was he found on the streets, did he just appear in some other fashion, or what?

I've wondered this many times myself... I'm sure about 99% of the people here can agree that MX is at least part of Xehanort, so was Xehanort wearing MX's clothes...? Also, since I believe the Soul Eater was a fusion of the DS' and MX's keyblades and put into a placement stage, could Xehanort had that with him as well...? Many questions... Most of which probablly could be solved if we could see what happened during that year spand when Xehanort was Ansem's apprentice... As for "death's door", I'm pretty sure he ment barely alive, not almost critical...

Also about his talents. What extraordinary talents did he have? Why was Ansem and the Organization (well, soon to be organization) have such interest in his memories? His talents appear to "Superhuman" said Ansem. That leads me to believe Xehanort himself will be the boss, the evil behind KH3.

Well, I would say Xehanort's true form, be it MX and DS or what ever... Also, if traced back, Xehanort already is the root of all evil in KH... He more or less created the heartless and with them, the nobodies...

Don't Flame me for this, but I'm starting to be a little shady about Xehanort's Memories. How does one lose their memories anyway? Ansem the Wise was doing an experiment on Darkness in people's hearts, and all of a sudden, Xehanort happened to volunteer? I know that he did it to see if he could regain some memories, but how would think that experiment would help him, and since Vexen was so interested, what else is there? Xehanort probably showed so much interest in the experiments maybe you think he had regained a bit of his memories and wanted to know more about this subject to use it? I think it's a bit shady, then all of a sudden, the original 6 Organization Members begin to turn on Ansem the Wise. What did happen to them? Did Xehanort get to them first, is some other force behind this, or maybe this was all planned from the beginning?

Good questions... But, I guess I would say it came natural... Like Xemnas said, Ansem kept him from diving deeper into his research, he got the others with him and they got rid of Ansem...
Also, to add to the list of questions, why are both Vexen and Xigbar uneasy about the Room of Sleep...?

[Ikkin]

Originally Posted by Destiny's End

It only says that Ansem the Wise found Xehanort almost in critical condition if that's what the "death's door" comment meant. You know what I've always noticed. Out of everything, nothing has been mentioned about how Xehanort looked. He must've been younger than he was in the cutscene in KH2 since King Mickey was there and all. Isn't it odd that there's no mention of what he was wearing, if he mumbled anything, or appeared as if he was motionless? Seeing as how the only name he could remember is "Xehanort", that rules out if he said anything. But it makes me wonder. How exactly was he found? Was he found on the streets, did he just appear in some other fashion, or what?

I don't think it's that odd that we don't find out more about what the exact situation was when Ansem found Xehanort - Ansem didn't really have any reason to go further in-depth for the purposes of the reports, and the reports have always been fairly small, anyway. I do agree that it's important, though, and we'll probably have a better idea after Birth by Sleep.

He was probably on the ground when Ansem found him, though - people at "death's door" generally don't move around all that much. Probably severely injured and either left for dead or collapsed after getting away somehow.

Also about his talents. What extraordinary talents did he have? Why was Ansem and the Organization (well, soon to be organization) have such interest in his memories? His talents appear to "Superhuman" said Ansem. That leads me to believe Xehanort himself will be the boss, the evil behind KH3.

I think the implication is that the "superhuman" power is the power of darkness, as Ansem refers to darkness in similar terms later on in the reports (when he obtains the power for himself).

As for the memories, Ansem probably was interested for Xehanort's sake, and the others were in it for the sake of knowledge. They're scientists and sounded like they were interested in discovering things for the sake of discovery.

And, yeah, Xehanort will probably be the boss, if only because it's almost a tradition that the end boss of the numbered KH games is related to him in some way. ;)

Don't Flame me for this, but I'm starting to be a little shady about Xehanort's Memories. How does one lose their memories anyway? Ansem the Wise was doing an experiment on Darkness in people's hearts, and all of a sudden, Xehanort happened to volunteer? I know that he did it to see if he could regain some memories, but how would think that experiment would help him, and since Vexen was so interested, what else is there? Xehanort probably showed so much interest in the experiments maybe you think he had regained a bit of his memories and wanted to know more about this subject to use it? I think it's a bit shady, then all of a sudden, the original 6 Organization Members begin to turn on Ansem the Wise. What did happen to them? Did Xehanort get to them first, is some other force behind this, or maybe this was all planned from the beginning?

I imagine the question of what happened to Xehanort's memories will be solved in Birth by Sleep, but I will say that even a hit to the head could do that (and wouldn't be that unlikely, considering the condition he was found in). Of course, considering we're in a world with magic, there are probably far more interesting ways of losing your memory.

I wouldn't be all too surprised if Xehanort helped give Ansem the idea about studying the darkness - he seems like he could have been interested in it for its own sake, particularly if he had some power over it to begin with (which might not have required any of his memories to return). But, remember, in the KH world, it's not really all that farfetched that experiments of the heart could unlock memories, since the heart is upheld by memories and the two are highly related.

As for Even... he always struck me as the type to go after knowledge for its own sake - Vexen's the one out of the original six Nobodies who acted the most like a scientist, after all.

Why the apprentices betrayed Ansem... I'd say it's a mixture between Xehanort using his manipulative villain powers and getting pulled in too deep by the experiments themselves.

Also, why was Ansem so interested in the Darkness in people's hearts if he was such a wise and just ruler? Probably a hint of Foreshadowing after what happened to him. I find it hard to believe that just the experiments changed Ansem's Apprentices.

This was explained in the report you quoted - Ansem was interested in the darkness because it was messing up his world, and he wanted to know more about it so he could figure out how to deal with it. And, most likely, intellectual curiosity.

[XIII Nobodies]

I often wonder about this, myself. I've more suspected that the Xehanort in KH1 and 2 is DS. Like you said, the only name he could remember was Xehanort (the name of his master). Then, his Heartless takes the name of his next master (Ansem). And in connection to BBS, there's the Armor scene in FM+. And, maybe I'm taking this a little too deep, but you remember when Xemnas says to Roxas "He looks a lot like you."? What if there was deeper meaning to that. What if he somehow remembered Ven's face. In the magazine scans, you see DS with a Keyblade in hand, and Ven is on the ground, as if DS defeated him. And again, possibly taking something a little deep, when Xemnas says "I'm all that's left, or maybe I'm all there ever was." and "What about you? Do you remember your TRUE NAME?" Maybe Xemnas was referring to both himself as Xehanort, not being able to remember his true name (hence why he abandoned the name, Xehanort) as well as talking about Roxas with his possible connection to Ven, not just Sora?

Anyway, just speaking my mind.

[Hanzo]

Hey i got a good story to help. Me and a friend wrote it its long but good.

http://forums.khinsider.com/future-k...ml#post2602670

[Rhapsody]

It only says that Ansem the Wise found Xehanort almost in critical condition if that's what the "death's door" comment meant. You know what I've always noticed. Out of everything, nothing has been mentioned about how Xehanort looked. He must've been younger than he was in the cutscene in KH2 since King Mickey was there and all. Isn't it odd that there's no mention of what he was wearing, if he mumbled anything, or appeared as if he was motionless? Seeing as how the only name he could remember is "Xehanort", that rules out if he said anything. But it makes me wonder. How exactly was he found? Was he found on the streets, did he just appear in some other fashion, or what?

I think that when Xehanort being found... he maybe wearing MX's cloth...He being found at Hollow Bastion.. how did he get there i dunno..XDD
About the death 's door... i think Xehanort could be almost fully control by the darkness.. That maybe make Ansem The Wise wonder about the darkness in ppl hearts...

Also about his talents. What extraordinary talents did he have? Why was Ansem and the Organization (well, soon to be organization) have such interest in his memories? His talents appear to "Superhuman" said Ansem. That leads me to believe Xehanort himself will be the boss, the evil behind KH3.

i think Ansem The Wise call him a superhuman, because he knew a lot of things than Ansem did..
They are curious about his memories bcoz his knowledge could be came from his past(maybe from his dream)...
Yeah.. me too think that Xehanort will make a return in KH3

[General Xenos]

i read all of the reports, from wat i remember it had said something the effects of Xehanort being tested on, lead him to gain followers like the original 6 as stated in the Ansem Report 2: "The research plans I made about the "darkness in the heart", beginning with
meagre psychological experiments, have rapidly grown immensely.
As enthusiastically advised by my youngest disciple Ienzo, I have prepared a
grand-scale research laboratory below the castle.

Unbeknownst to me, my six disciples gathered a great amount of test subjects and
began dangerous experiments into the darkness of the heart."

meaning even though the had good intentions, it probably turn out that the darkness got ahold of them they became evil stated here in Ansem Report 3: "Is Xehanort trying to understand the "door" to make contact with the darkness in
the worlds?
No, not just Xehanort.
It seems that the other five disciples, have become enveloped by the darkness as
a result of their fixation on it for their research.
Even, Ienzo, Braig, Dilan, and Elaeus...they have ceased to be human."

i dont know if this meant they turned into heartless, or nobodies yet, idk, but Ansem read something in the report that stated: "The key is those without a heart, the "Heartless".
Embodiments of the darkness in the heart. Accursed shadows with no hearts who
steal the hearts of all living things and multiply.
Where did they come from, and where are they going?

The three elements that compose life...the heart, the soul, the body.
When life loses the heart, what happens to the leftover soul and body?

When the soul leaves the body, which it lives in as a vessel, life dies.
But if the heart is removed, what happens?
anybody have any idea wat this means, we know wat happends when the hearts leaves the body, we know wat becomes of the body of afterward, but wat of the soul???

and im thinking i might have found out wat enemies BBS has in it, thanks to this: "They didn't just create "pure-blood" Heartless from the human heart, they used
them to artificially synthesize Heartless.
It seems that they have given these artificial Heartless a mark and called them
"emblems".

that got me thinking about heartless too, pure-blood vs atrificial heartless, wat can this mean???

now im just puttin in many parts from the report to make people think about it, like these:

1."In the world of nothingness, my choice to walk along with the darkness was not
mistaken.

I did not refuse the darkness, nor did I fear it, and when I looked straight
ahead with a silent heart, I acquired a new power.

Power surpassing a human...the power of darkness.
Xehanort and the others were captivated by this power, and soon captured by it.
Naturally, I do not plan to have my heart taken and be eaten up by the darkness
as they were.

Through this new power, I discovered the "Dark Corridor", which connects the
world of nothingness to the physical world.
Going back and forth freely is still difficult, but my time of exile is at an
end.

To prevent Xehanort and the others from recognizing me, I have taken a new form
upon my return to the world of light.

As I thought, Xehanort has become a Heartless.
Under my name he controls the Heartless, and has taken many worlds' hearts.

Xehanort wishes to use the center of the worlds' hearts he has collected, namely
"Kingdom Hearts", in an attempt to call forth a great darkness and return
everything to darkness.

Furthermore, the other five disciples have shed their bodies.
Have they become Heartless, like Xehanort?
Or did Xehanort use then and then destroy them?"

2."I have decided to go to where 6 of them are assembled, to find out the
objectives of the Order.
To "Castle Oblivion", towering at the end of the World In-Between."

is it just me or did he point an exact location to Castle Oblivion???

3."Namine is a girl, but was a princess.
A long time ago, when I governed the "Radiant Garden", one of the denizens was
"Kairi", one of the seven princesses who support the world of light."

that should answer some questions, found these on a site
http://www.kh2.co.uk/pages/kh2/Reports.txt
if anybody can explain these....that'd be nice

[Gildragon]

Originally Posted by Destiny's End

Don't Flame me for this, but I'm starting to be a little shady about Xehanort's Memories. How does one lose their memories anyway?

You can easily lose all your memories (amnesia) by a strong blow to the head. Considering that since he found him at death's door. he could have been in a fight and got a strong blow to the head and forgot his memories

Originally Posted by Destiny's End

Also, why was Ansem so interested in the Darkness in people's hearts if he was such a wise and just ruler?

There is not much let on about darkness. So as he probably was a scientist. and knowedgeable. he decided to start out.

[Rhapsody]

Originally Posted by General Xenos

3."Namine is a girl, but was a princess.
A long time ago, when I governed the "Radiant Garden", one of the denizens was
"Kairi", one of the seven princesses who support the world of light."

that should answer some questions, found these on a site
http://www.kh2.co.uk/pages/kh2/Reports.txt
if anybody can explain these....that'd be nice

>_>.. Namine is not a princess... she is a special nobody..or a witch..

[Hanzo]

She was called a witch by Diz she wasn't one. Also it says she was meaning that she is also part of Kairi who is. So it's like a king was a prince. It doesnt mean they are one just part of what they were. Ok also a simple thing is like saying a square is a rectangle.

[Eternal Redemption]

She just has special powers over memories of people really and is not a princess just a nobody of one

[Gildragon]

I think actually Namine Calls herself a witch when Roxas originally meets her in the house in twilight town and she gets taken away.

[The Conquerer]

It only says that Ansem the Wise found Xehanort almost in critical condition if that's what the "death's door" comment meant. You know what I've always noticed. Out of everything, nothing has been mentioned about how Xehanort looked. He must've been younger than he was in the cutscene in KH2 since King Mickey was there and all. Isn't it odd that there's no mention of what he was wearing, if he mumbled anything, or appeared as if he was motionless? Seeing as how the only name he could remember is "Xehanort", that rules out if he said anything. But it makes me wonder. How exactly was he found? Was he found on the streets, did he just appear in some other fashion, or what?

He was found on the outskirts of Radiant Garden, that's all we know. If Xehanort was near death's door, its most likely that he just came back from a tough battle near death. Regardless, Xehanort's memories are connected to the battles of the Keybladed Warriors. Perhaps in some shape or form, Xehanort was a warrior in a battle and narrowly escaped death. He most likely walked back and passed out. He could have suffered amnesia from such an overwhelming beating, or because his heart, body, and mind went through some sort of transformation, who knows for sure... Perhaps Ansem the Wise discovered his body during his investigations.

But look at this:

Xigbar: How many years ago was it? People with the blade of keys started to appear and fought great battles. When they were gone, a man who had lost his memories appeared. Xemnas... no... Xehanort was taken in by Ansem around that time, was he not?

Pretty freaky hmm? We also know that Terra, Aqua, and Ven were the Keybladed Heroes Xigbar talked about in Kingdom Hearts 2 as well and Nomura confirmed that through an interview. Also Nomura said that Terra, Aqua, and Ven all have connections to Xemnas, also a big hint there. We also noticed in a Secret Cutscene, in the room of sleep, Xemnas called out friend to Aqua's armor and Keyblade saying "it has been a long time."

We also notice that once Xehanort appeared, the previous Keyblade heroes and warriors dissapeared, so he is definately connected to the Keyblade's history. There are some more evidence that ties Xehanort to the past 10 years ago such as Master Xehanort wearing a similar outfit to that of his Heartless as well as bearing the same name (almost like we can see some sort of pupil and Master connection some where in there).

Also about his talents. What extraordinary talents did he have? Why was Ansem and the Organization (well, soon to be organization) have such interest in his memories? His talents appear to "Superhuman" said Ansem. That leads me to believe Xehanort himself will be the boss, the evil behind KH3.

Well Xehanort was young and he had some problems with his mind, yet he was still able to quickly grasp and understand Ansem The Wise's teachings. His amazing thinking ability seemed super human, almost like he had the knack down for most of Ansem's Experiments. He was truly brilliant and as he grew smarter, his attraction to darkness grew as well. Xehanort's memories were important because they wanted to know why he is the way he is, even if he does not truly know it himself. Perhaps they wanted to know if he could have experienced some of the feats that he demonstrated in his studies and experiments.

As for boss of Kingdom Hearts 3, well who knows, we need more time and we need to play the next series to even fathom the plot of Kingdom Hearts 3 since all three games are connected.

How does one lose their memories anyway? Ansem the Wise was doing an experiment on Darkness in people's hearts, and all of a sudden, Xehanort happened to volunteer? I know that he did it to see if he could regain some memories, but how would think that experiment would help him, and since Vexen was so interested, what else is there? Xehanort probably showed so much interest in the experiments maybe you think he had regained a bit of his memories and wanted to know more about this subject to use it? I think it's a bit shady, then all of a sudden, the original 6 Organization Members begin to turn on Ansem the Wise. What did happen to them? Did Xehanort get to them first, is some other force behind this, or maybe this was all planned from the beginning?

How does one lose their memories you say? Hmm well I can come up with a few thoughts. Maybe some force or greater power caused them to fade, or consider the possibility that something of great power changed him. Perhaps he was someone else but through some unknown force he was changed, almost like being reborn a new.

Well according to the logic of Kingdom Hearts, the heart hold the memories, if the darkness could be traced back farther enough, perhaps what caused that major source of darkness could be linked and pin pointed as well. Well remember the Room of Sleep? Well according to Xigbar, it was sealed up by their previous Master (Ansem), but after Xehanort banished him to the realm of nothingness, Xemnas reopened the room. Perhaps the Room of Sleep is tied to what gave Xehanort as well as Xemnas some sort of brief taste of their time as a normal person. Weird how Xemnas had no memory of his previous life, Xehanort must have not had any memories of his life as well, so that means that Xehanort definately is not who he thought he was, he had memories of another life. Xehanort and the rest of the apprentices were obsessed with the darkness and were tired of Ansem's rule of justice and laws, so Xehanort deliberately stole his name and started writing. Eventually the six would grow to despise him and stole everything, Xehanort later banished him from the realm of light. It was the force of darkness but Xehanort had other goals, Xemnas (his nobody) had his goals as well shortly after his creation.

Also, why was Ansem so interested in the Darkness in people's hearts if he was such a wise and just ruler?

Something was happening to the world, the darkness spread of darkness as well as the hearts of others. Ansem wanted to know, so he studied. His experiments drew him closer and closer to the answer, the the world soon began to change, so the King paid him a visit and that was when he knew what he was doing was wrong. The corridors and the door to darkness, all of that needed to stop, but Xehanort kept on going.