Roxas/Ven theory.

[pwn3d]

^ Both theories are idiotic: for one, why would roxas rejoin with sora, if he wasn't his nobody? It wouldn't make sense. Not only that but in the ansem reports(and by what riku said during the capturing of roxas), it's obvious that roxas is sora's nobody(both by mmanerisms, and by the very weapon they use)The scene's context is meant to say 'you have a heart because sora exists', and axel knows about sora. That's what it was meant to mean.

This theory isn't plausible as why would we not notice another ball of light floating out of sora?(as with kairi's) Another thing is that the whole 'X' thing is there to(as stated by omnichaos) is to symbolize brotherhood and membership to the organization. It's not a mandatory thing for nobodies, it's a ritual of entrance, like one might encounter when joining a secret society or a college frat. The whole idea that he is ven is implausible as well as this would place the battle we see in the secret movies after the KH1,and nomura made clear many times(as well as the game itself) that this 'war' took place well before the games.(see above for full explaination)

[V.A.T.13]

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The scene's context is meant to say 'you have a heart because sora exists', and axel knows about sora. That's what it was meant to mean.

Proof plz. D:

Also:
In the additional event "Farwell to a Friend", there's a scene where Axel tells Roxas "You really do have a heart, don't you". What is the actual case here?
Nomura: In this scene, it ends bringing up more mysteries about Roxas, so for the answer, maybe take care to follow your hunches well, it's also related to Xehanort's memories, but I can't give any specifics now.

[pwn3d]

Proof plz. D:

For which? I'll do both to save myself the trouble.

Axel met sora in CoM's, and from roxas's name, it's obvious that he's sora's nobody.

Secondly, He didn't define what he meant by 'heart.' This could be seen two ways, one way, your way, the impossible way as roxas is a nobody, and my way. My way is based more on what riku said during his fight with roxas('you really are his nobody' and 'if he met sora that might be different.')Your way is based on what seems to say roxas has a heart in him, which can't happen, as he's pretty apathetic, he's also very a member of an organization that is made of nobodies , is shown as a nobody, is treated by a nobody, and is seenas a nobody by two people who are the closest to knowing everything(xemnas, and ansem the wise). My way seems just a tad bit more logical.



THE SECOND THING:

I'll do this AGAIN: are you going to trust a guy whose notorious for making stuff up, and screwing up his own continuum, or are you going to trust the games? Until another game comes out that states otherwise, i'm sticking with he's a nobody.

[V.A.T.13]

Wait, wait.....what? o___O

You just said

are you going to trust a guy whose notorious for making stuff up, and screwing up his own continuum, or are you going to trust the games? Until another game comes out that states otherwise, i'm sticking with he's a nobody.

The man, who contradicts himself, also made the game, that contradicts itself.
Honestly, I don't trust Nomura OR the game. I'm going by possiblites and events that has happened in the game before in case that, history repeats itself.

But anyway, I've been waiting for someone to do this. Disprove my theory. Kill it so that I can think of another possible connection between Ven/Roxas/Sora.
Until then, It makes sense.

[pwn3d]

Wait, wait.....what? o___O

It's pretty self explanatory. The game shows him as a nobody, he acts like a nobody, as all the traits of a nobody, is in a nobody organization, and with the exception of sora being his 'other' he is a pretty standard nobody.

The man, who contradicts himself, also made the game, that contradicts itself.
Honestly, I don't trust Nomura OR the game. I'm going by possiblites and events that has happened in the game before in case that, history repeats itself.

But anyway, I've been waiting for someone to do this. Disprove my theory. Kill it so that I can think of another possible connection between Ven/Roxas/Sora.
Until then, It makes sense.

Then you aren't making 'theories' you are making guesses.

ON DON'T TRUST ANYTHING:
I wouldn't say the game contradicts itself. There was only one occasion of it(the 'roxas? do you have a heart?' thing), and it is left up to the player to try to understand what axel meant. I wouldn't trust nomura, as he has lied, and been misleading before, but the game, for the most part, as been conclusive, and has been on the same track. Ergo why i trust the game more than nomura.

[V.A.T.13]

Last time I checked, a theory IS a guess. o_o;

And as for the nobody thing: Roxas and Xemnas seems to be the only ones that acts like a nobody huh?

[pwn3d]

^No, all the nobodies knew they had no emotions. They acted(with the exception of saix and, from my point of view, xaldin), like they had emotions, and, like all nobodies, didn't actually feel them.

Last time I checked, a theory IS a guess. o_o;

No a theory is collection of hypothesis, which are more or less confirmed based on previous observations. A hypothesis is a guess.

[V.A.T.13]

Originally Posted by pwn3d

^No, all the nobodies knew they had no emotions. They acted(with the exception of saix and, from my point of view, xaldin), like they had emotions, and, like all nobodies, didn't actually feel them.

I know THAT. I just said that Roxas and Xemnas were the only ones who acted like nobodies. All the rest faked emotion, and had a personality. Xemnas and Roxas didn't. Also, the game says that nobodies have no real emotions, they fake em, but explain Saix's rage or Axel's tears. o.o

No a theory is collection of hypothesis, which are more or less confirmed based on previous observations. A hypothesis is a guess.

And thats what my "guess" is.

[pwn3d]

I know THAT. I just said that Roxas and Xemnas were the only ones who acted like nobodies. All the rest faked emotion, and had a personality. Xemnas and Roxas didn't. Also, the game says that nobodies have no real emotions, they fake em, but explain Saix's rage or Axel's tears. o.o

I have a decent explained for saix's rage, but axel's rage is a mystery to me.

I believe that a nobody uses the last emotion they remember to form their personality, hence why roxas is an apathetic/emo kid,and power their powers. So, for saix, i believe that he felt an unbridled rage for things(most likely heartless), and that is what he used to power his powers. Axel, most likely, felt an inner sadness, for he was in a fight he could not win, but chose to continue to fight any ways(out of arrogance), which would explain his "emotions."

ON HOW HIS TEARS MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED:
He, as he put it, felt human being around roxas, and roxas, being around sora, was closest to being a whole being. So, by proxy, axel may have felt he was complete because he was leeching feeling off his best friend.

*DISCLAIMER:This is just a hypothesis, so don't base anything on this, as it cannot be checked.If anyone uses this, i shall find them, slay their parents, and feed them to him/her before i slay them as well.YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED /disclaimer.

[V.A.T.13]

Originally Posted by pwn3d

I have a decent explained for saix's rage, but axel's rage is a mystery to me.

I believe that a nobody uses the last emotion they remember to form their personality, hence why roxas is an apathetic/emo kid,and power their powers. So, for saix, i believe that he felt an unbridled rage for things(most likely heartless), and that is what he used to power his powers. Axel, most likely, felt an inner sadness, for he was in a fight he could not win, but chose to continue to fight any ways(out of arrogance), which would explain his "emotions."

ON HOW HIS TEARS MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED:
He, as he put it, felt human being around roxas, and roxas, being around sora, was closest to being a whole being. So, by proxy, axel may have felt he was complete because he was leeching feeling off his best friend.

*DISCLAIMER:This is just a hypothesis, so don't base anything on this, as it cannot be checked.If anyone uses this, i shall find them, slay their parents, and feed them to him/her before i slay them as well.YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED /disclaimer.

All that sounds fine except the Roxas part...
The last emotion (we can geuss from Sora), looked like happy-ness or relieved. Hence the big smile before the moment and the slight tilt of the head when he saw all the hearts free.

And nothing is based on this but, I think that maybe the first 6 are the reason Axel and Saix are nobodies. In one of the reports, its says that the 6 found their own test subjects and I was thinking that, maybe they used Axel and Saix's others? If so, I imagine Axel was probably tough to break...

[Puck]

HAHAHAHA. My have the tables have turned. It appears when it comes to theories, we're not so different, VAT13. Your theory is interesting. But remember, your opinion and theory will be considered....what is the word???? Idiotic.

[V.A.T.13]

*pats Puck's head* Please explain how...

[Puck]

^No, I'm not. Because I don't feel like it and I see no reason why I should.

You should be trying to present more proof to back up your little theory.

[V.A.T.13]

^No, I'm not. Because I don't feel like it and I see no reason why I should.

You don't have to but, its pretty troll-like just to say "your theory is idiotic" and not explain why. We're supposed to be discussing here.

You should be trying to present more proof to back up your little theory.

I did and have. Just not in this thread. Check the first link in my sig.

[Puck]

Okay, that is some pretty good evidence. Your theory could be possible.