Roxas had a heart? On keyblades, knights, videos, other

[Twilight]

No, nomura confirmed it is just a continuation.

[Bryantjj]

Yes, but he didn't say it continued the second from where the The Gathering left of...

[sora4ever]

Originally Posted by Bryantjj

Yes, but he didn't say it continued the second from where the The Gathering left of...

Right... The second Secret Ending is, no doubt, a continuation, but when exactly does the 2nd SE start?
#1. Keyblades are gone
#2. Different figure walking towards Terra, Aqua, and Ven...
You guys have already stated these... But it doesn't seem very much like Nomura to just suddenly change this stuff... there HAS to be a reason... at least I think so. There seems like there would be something that happened just in between the SE's so that the 2nd is still a continuation of the 1st... just not an IMMEDIATE continuation. Now what could have happened in that unknown time... I have no clue... or what rellevance it might hold... I just can't make myself believe that Nomura would just leave the keyblades out, and just change the figures appearance and stance... it doesn't seem like something he would do.

[Souretsu Gear]

^The ending was probably made during kh2's development. It was just a movie to spark up ideas and stuff. Since Nomura created the characters, the next khgame was already in development. Thus, creation of the new characters and new secret movie for promotion and change of scenes.

[sora4ever]

It's just like the first KH SE... Nomura added a SE to the end of KH1 but he knew exactly why he had those things there, and exactly who they were... and had purpose for every aspect of the SE.. even the location. I believe it is the same way with this. When making the SE for KH2, he knew exactly who that figure was, why there was a crossroads of keyblades and why the knights came from different roads... who they were, what their purpose was, what the figures purpose was, what purpose the location served, where they were... and all that stuff. I think he knew exactly what he was putting in that SE and that he had fully intended for the 2nd SE to be different. Do you understand what I'm getting at here? Sometimes I don't explain things real well.

[OmniChaos]

I'm sticking with my theory that the first SE was just to connect the next KH game with the current KH games. Connect the characters, events, places, time, ect. Once everything was connected, why keep the connecting tool in there if it is no longer needed? I really doubt any time was between the two SEs. I doubt they would leave then come back again and stand in the exact same places.

[sora4ever]

I never said, or thought that they left. They were standing still, and the figure was walking toward them. I don't know what might have happened, and I don't have any ideas at the moment... Right now, I don't have any info to back up what I'm saying, so I'm going to stop arguing my point for now... Any of us could be right, we won't know until more info comes out or when the game comes out... I'm just throwing my thoughts out there.

[Smallz]

On the Two Keyblades

I think the whole Qualified Hearts thing is why, since you have to have a strong heart and other things to wield a keyblade, it could be like this:
Valor: Two strong hearts joined=Two Keyblades (Sora and Goofy[Or other character]) But Goofy doesnt have one or more of those other qualities, so he cant wield a keyblade by himself.

Roxas: 2 Keyblades because of Vens heart lying within him (released from Sora[Read post on Roxas])

Wisdom: One strong heart, and one not so strong, maybe a strong MIND? (Sora and Donald[Strong heart and mind gives good balance?])

Master: Joining by friendship, provides even greater mastery (Sora, Donald, and Goofy)

Final: Roxas, a part of Sora, and Soras bond of friendship with everyone, and everyone joining there hearts together, makes awesomeness.

[bladed asassin]

im probally wrong but i heard that the first secret kh2 ending with sora, mickey, and riku's keyblade were there to represent a connection between the knights and sora, riku,and kiari... i just heard that somewere... u think it could be true or just more speculation

[Souretsu Gear]

Originally Posted by Smallz

On the Two Keyblades

I think the whole Qualified Hearts thing is why, since you have to have a strong heart and other things to wield a keyblade, it could be like this:
Valor: Two strong hearts joined=Two Keyblades (Sora and Goofy[Or other character]) But Goofy doesnt have one or more of those other qualities, so he cant wield a keyblade by himself.

Roxas: 2 Keyblades because of Vens heart lying within him (released from Sora[Read post on Roxas])

Wisdom: One strong heart, and one not so strong, maybe a strong MIND? (Sora and Donald[Strong heart and mind gives good balance?])

Master: Joining by friendship, provides even greater mastery (Sora, Donald, and Goofy)

Final: Roxas, a part of Sora, and Soras bond of friendship with everyone, and everyone joining there hearts together, makes awesomeness.

Nice speculation. Though, I'll just stick to mine for now.

My spectulation!

Originally Posted by twilight_dragon

Roxas had a heart. But it was being shared with Sora because the heart has returned to the body. Roxas was a nobody before, but when Sora became human again from heartless, Roxas became whole also. But at a cost, it split the powers of Sora.

The keyblade was also split along with Sora's power thus creating two keys for two equal yet different beings (Splitting the power of the keyblade in half thus explaining why the power of the key stats are smaller. i.e. Ultima was 12 strength in KH1 while it's 6 strength in kh2). Yes, Roxas had his own keyblade but, since the keyblade was split into two, the two keyblades are actually just one power that has two images (split image). It's the same key. When Roxas finally accepted Sora as an equal and fused with him, Sora's power became whole and the keyblade became one key thus explaining why Sora couldn't wield two key's at the time.

Why Roxas wielded Two Keys while Sora wielded one...

Roxas had only half the power of the keyblade while Sora had the other since it splitted into two images of weaker power. While Sora kept using just one keyblade, Roxas used two. Roxas wasn't using the one Sora used during the kh2 storyline. Roxas just split his keyblade in half again thus making both of his keyblades have only a quarter of what they formerly had (i.e. Ultima weapon kh1 - 12 -> Ultima Weapon kh2 - 6. Roxas splitting the ultima into two different keys - Oatkeeper - 3/Oblivion - 3). All in all, 12 divided into two equals 6, 6 divided by 2 again is 3. Even though Roxas had two Keys, they were weaker but gives Roxas more advantage but splitted the power (whole-half key - 6 --> key1 - 3, key2 - 3). Sora on the other hand still had a full half of the keyblades power. Even though Roxas had Oblivion and Oathkeeper, the power doesn't really matter. Those are just mediums for the splitted power of the keyblade to be used.

If that was too long, here's a summary:
Sora had one-half of the keyblade while Roxas had the other. Roxas split his half again into two thus having him have two-fourths of the keyblade (still one-half but one key has 1/4 while the other had 1/4).

Explain much?

I write too much. About the drive forms. I agree with you on them but I don't think Roxas had to do with any of them. I disagree on the Roxas dualwielding because of "Ven's heart".

[Smallz]

Originally Posted by keyblade39

wrote alittle 2 much..........

Nobody wrote anything too much, its a theory, just read it, or take a class to read faster, or forget about it.

[sora4ever]

Originally Posted by Smallz

On the Two Keyblades

I think the whole Qualified Hearts thing is why, since you have to have a strong heart and other things to wield a keyblade, it could be like this:
Valor: Two strong hearts joined=Two Keyblades (Sora and Goofy[Or other character]) But Goofy doesnt have one or more of those other qualities, so he cant wield a keyblade by himself.

Roxas: 2 Keyblades because of Vens heart lying within him (released from Sora[Read post on Roxas])

Wisdom: One strong heart, and one not so strong, maybe a strong MIND? (Sora and Donald[Strong heart and mind gives good balance?])

Master: Joining by friendship, provides even greater mastery (Sora, Donald, and Goofy)

Final: Roxas, a part of Sora, and Soras bond of friendship with everyone, and everyone joining there hearts together, makes awesomeness.

Nice theory... and it makes sense if you think about it... All of these theories makes sense... so the real question is, who's is right? Or are any of them right? And if not... then what is?

[Maverick E.S]

hmmm it really makes you wonder what the future awaits
*hopes this isn't spam lol*

[Twilight]

the keyblades are gone because the knights are holding them? duh?

and the figure could be the same, the desert could have obscured it or nomura could not have had the elder mage figured out yet.

good point about them coming from different roads, i didnt think of that. ill be making another thread about that later.

[Xehanort: 17]

I think the 3 Knights are related to Roxas and Xemnas.

When the heart is lost a Heartless is created and the body and soul then become a Nobody. A Nobody can only remember how a heart was like. What Happens if a Nobody remembers how the the heart was like, Does that effect it in any way. Could a new heart be born through remembring how it felt like.

This would explain why Roxas felt like he had a heart.

Memories, Could something be created from Memories.

"Birth By Sleep". Xehanort's Memories. Sora sleeping for 1 year (Dreaming). Chain Of Memories.The Room of Awakening.

I think Ven is related to Roxas through Sora's memories, as how Aqua and Terra are related to Xemnas through Xehanort's memories.

I know all of this sounds Confusing and messed up, but i think Roxas and Xemnas are related to the 3 knights through memories.


What do you guys think?