Roxas had a heart? On keyblades, knights, videos, other

[OmniChaos]

Originally Posted by Bryantjj

Maybe, but this is an entirely different theory, they sealed the Elder Mage in a body that could not use a Keyblade and wipped his memories so he wouldn't try to regain his old Body. This all to prevent him from going on a rampage again, or whatever his wizkid evil snobby plan is with Kingdom Hearts...

But do you really think they could seal him away? I mean, look at him. He nearly (if not) killed Ven. He beat Terra in hand to hand without breaking a sweat. Aqua was the only one who wasn't completely slaughtered (because she never went against the UEM). I believe that what ever happened to the UEM made him younger, nearly killed him, wipped his memory and transported him to Radient Garden. Possible something with KH? We do not know it's power at the time. Perhaps he tried to asorb it or something but with hearts being unprodictable, he could have selfdestructed like Ansem's machine did.

Yo guys i just noticed something. Do you all remember the secret ending in KH2 when the 3 knights look at the shadow.
That shadow guys hands are not tied behind his back, also the 3 knights pick up 3 keyblades.
In kh2 FM secret ending you see the old man walking but his hands are tied behind his back, and the 3 keyblades that were picked up are not there anymore.

Could the KH2 secret ending be different from KH2 FM. Could that shadowy figure be Xehanort walking.

What do you guys think?

Yeah, I think that the shadow in the first secret ending is showing us who we know (In the KH series) as the UEM. Like, the second secret ending shows us the UEM. While, the first one shows us who we know the UEM as. Understand?

The keyblades are used to show a connection between Aqua, Terra and Ven and Sora, Riku and Mickey. The reason we do not see the shadow's hair or the three keyblades in the second secret ending, is that the first one had already established a connection between the knights and our present Keybladers and the UEM with Xehanort. Since it had established the link, the use for them was no longer required and they were cut out of the second one, allowing us to see the battle between the UEM/DS and the knights.

That's what I think at least...

[Bryantjj]

Xemnas.01 it's true that the Elder Mage beated the knights easily, but remember Terra's flashing eyes. They turned yellow, which may indicate he used some Heartless power to become stronger, maybe just the power of Darkness in general, I mean look at Riku. We know how powerful it is.

I agree that he might've done something insanely stupid like fusing with Kingdom Hearts but the only thing it doesn't explain is why it would make him younger. The whole damage to his body, amnesia and such fits in your scenario, but making him younger is far fetched. And I know that Riku changed from his Xehanort look to his Riku look by a far fetched thing but the reason that he looked like Xehanort does not really fit in all this so you can't use that as an argument to explain far fetched transformations.

[Xehanort: 17]

I think the Secret ending in kh2 and kh2 FM are both different.

Why? Because in kh2 secret ending the 3 knights pick up 3 keyblades, and then you see a person coming if you notice that persons arms are normal and he is walking straight.




In kh2 FM secret ending the 3 keyblades are gone, and the person in the shadow is an old man who has his hands tied behind his back. also he is walking with a crouch.


Could the secret ending in Kh2 be different from the secret ending in kh2 FM. If this is the case, what if the kh2 secret ending happened before kh2 FM secret ending. What i'm trying to say is what if that shadowy figure was given the 3 keyblades by the 3 knights in kh2 secret ending. That would explain why the 3 keyblades aren't there anymore.


What do you guys think?

[Apollo]

well Xehanort: 17 I use to to think maybe they happened at diffrent times! But who knows!

[OmniChaos]

Xehanort:17... Nomura already said that the 2nd SE was the continuation of the 1st SE.

Xemnas.01 it's true that the Elder Mage beated the knights easily, but remember Terra's flashing eyes. They turned yellow, which may indicate he used some Heartless power to become stronger, maybe just the power of Darkness in general, I mean look at Riku. We know how powerful it is.

Yeah, but even though he is powerful, he would have lost to Xemnas if he had gone up against him alone. The same for Sora. Riku was powerful, but Xemnas was more powerful. Same goes for Terra and the UEM.

I agree that he might've done something insanely stupid like fusing with Kingdom Hearts but the only thing it doesn't explain is why it would make him younger. The whole damage to his body, amnesia and such fits in your scenario, but making him younger is far fetched. And I know that Riku changed from his Xehanort look to his Riku look by a far fetched thing but the reason that he looked like Xehanort does not really fit in all this so you can't use that as an argument to explain far fetched transformations.

Like I said, we do not know KH's true power. Who knows what it can really do. "Anything could happen".

[Bryantjj]

Xehanort 17, what you noticed is probably true, the two shadows don't match. They are probably different figures. The most explicit evidences are: The hands that are not behind the backs and the fact that the three keyblades from The Gathering misteriously disappeared.

Also, Xemnas.01..... I guess there's no longer a point in arguing, you pointed out the perfect quote. The quote that makes Nomura to what he is, and what makes the Kingdom Hearts series so frikkin' hard to figure out.

"Anything could happen."

But I do want to counter one thing:
Why did they cut out the Keyblades when they weren't needed anymore. Sure there some more graceful way to get rid of them instead of just leaving them out?

[Twilight]

hm were the keyblades relevant or just randomly there in the first place?

[OmniChaos]

Originally Posted by Twilight

hm were the keyblades relevant or just randomly there in the first place?

I think that the keyblades are used to show a connection between Aqua, Terra and Ven and Sora, Riku and Mickey. The reason we do not see the three keyblades in the second secret ending, is that the first one had already established a connection between the knights and our present Keybladers. Since it had established the link, the use for them was no longer required and they were cut out of the second one, allowing us to see the battle between the UEM/DS and the knights.

[Bryantjj]

Yes, Xemnas.01 I understand what you're saying, they weren't needed anymore. But wouldn't there be a better to get rid of those keyblades in the second movie instead of just leaving them out?
I don't have a very good feeling about, that's all.

[OmniChaos]

Originally Posted by Bryantjj

Yes, Xemnas.01 I understand what you're saying, they weren't needed anymore. But wouldn't there be a better to get rid of those keyblades in the second movie instead of just leaving them out?
I don't have a very good feeling about, that's all.

lol, I was talking to Twilight. But yeah, I know what you mean. I just feel the first one was to connect everything and the second was just to show the slaughter.

[Max/souleater]

Originally Posted by Xemnas.01

But do you really think they could seal him away? I mean, look at him. He nearly (if not) killed Ven. He beat Terra in hand to hand without breaking a sweat. Aqua was the only one who wasn't completely slaughtered (because she never went against the UEM). I believe that what ever happened to the UEM made him younger, nearly killed him, wipped his memory and transported him to Radient Garden. Possible something with KH? We do not know it's power at the time. Perhaps he tried to asorb it or something but with hearts being unprodictable, he could have selfdestructed like Ansem's machine did.

WHERE DO PEOPLE HEAR STUFF LIKE THIS! I WANT TO KNOW! ARENT TERRA VEN AND AQUA THE PEOPLE FROM THE KH2 SECRET ENDING?! IF NOT, (then where did i hear that?), AND IF SO, THEN HOW IF THE GAME ISNT EVEN OUT!

(im sorry for yelling and please dont judge me for it. much apreciated.)

[OmniChaos]

Originally Posted by Max/souleater

WHERE DO PEOPLE HEAR STUFF LIKE THIS! I WANT TO KNOW! ARENT TERRA VEN AND AQUA THE PEOPLE FROM THE KH2 SECRET ENDING?! IF NOT, (then where did i hear that?), AND IF SO, THEN HOW IF THE GAME ISNT EVEN OUT!

(im sorry for yelling and please dont judge me for it. much apreciated.)

Because I am the all knowing, all seeing Bob! lol...actually:

~In game observasions
~Nomura interviews
~Speculation
~Secret Ending
~Things we already know

Stuff like that... =]

[Max/souleater]

oh... well, could you get me a link to a place with some of this information?

[Twilight]

Kingdom Hearts Insider - News Archive

search "interview"

[Lectori Salutem]

Originally Posted by Xehanort: 17

I think it looks very much like an organization XIII coat...

It could that there´s some time between the secret endings, couldn´t it?
That would explain why those keyblades suddely disappeared...