Roxas had a heart? On keyblades, knights, videos, other

[keyblade39]

wrote alittle 2 much..........

[Souretsu Gear]

Numbers there were just to help and show examples.

Yes, but not just any whim. Emotion and experience is probably needed to split the keyblade. The anger of Roxas fueled that whim. The need to win or something made the keyblade split. If you notice, Roxas had more anger than Sora. That emotion allowed Roxas to Dualwield without help of friends. Sora found another way. Driving. Though Driving does split the keyblade into two powers, the Drive form supports and keeps the keyblade from the power dropping since he fused with Donald, Goofy or both. The power of his friends kept the power of the keyblade from dropping because their power was used along with Sora's.

All in All. Sora drives into Valor, Master or Final. The keblade splits. But since he fused with donald and Goofy, the power is added to the two keyblades, keeping it the same power as it is. It doesn't have Roxas' disadvantage of powersplit. Also, the reason why Sora had one keyblade while in a drive form during a cutscene was because Goofy and/or Donald got out, but, they are still lending Sora power. The power to be in the Drive form, but not enough to split the keyblade.

Wisdom and Limit are another story. I'll explain that one later.

[Bryantjj]

Well, I have this REALLY interesting theory on Roxas' Heart.

When Ven was so thoroughly frozen, he was near death. The only way to survive was to place his Heart in another vessel since his own Body was far too damaged. His Heart was sealed inside of Sora. When Sora turned the Keyblade on himself, A Nobody was created. A Nobody doesn't have a Heart. But since Ven's Heart was inside Sora, it also got released at that time. And it found its way in Roxas' Body. Thus explaining the striking resemblance between the two, the connection between the three, Roxas' having a Heart (That's not actually his) and thus him being able to wield Keyblades.

Also, for Roxas to be able to wield 2 Keyblades, Sora was able to as well. In KH1 he never did because maybe he didn't have the skills for it then, but when Sora was implanted with the Data from Twilight Town and Roxas, he gained more power. It was at that time that Roxas was also able to wield two. When he was in the Org. he always wielded one. Why? Because Axel was surprised when he fought Roxas and the blonde suddenly pulled out Oathkeeper AND Oblivion.

EDIT: Though I also agree with twilight_dragon's theories on the dualwielding, maybe it's a combo of both theories?

[Souretsu Gear]

Interesting. But I think Roxas was able to dualwield is because he remebered his memories and turned into his former self and his personality became one with his Twilight Town self and he split his half of the keyblade. Also, I don't think Ven would have his heart infused with Sora's to be kept alive. It is possible since it happened with Kairi, but then wouldn't Ven remember himself and Sora would have dreams of Ven's past? Unless they memory wiped Ven for the greater good, then I would understand that. But even memory wiping wouldn't be enough because Sora saw Kairi's past in which Kairi never remembered. So wouldn't we see Ven's past if his heart was implanted into Sora's body?

I like your theory. I think that is also the other reason why Roxas wields two. But somehow, wouldn't Roxas reawaken Ven's memories? Maybe I should think my theory over again.

Wisdom and Limit Theory...

Wisdom was a fusion of donald. It was both donalds power and magic that made Sora into a Magic Master form. But Magic dominated the power more so Sora wasn't able to dualwield but was able to use magic far more better. Limit is self-explanitory. Sora's inner limits were revealed, thus mustering up his old memories and abilities, allowing Sora to use his old abilities. That is why Sora didn't fuse with donald or Goofy. It is because he is awakening his dormant abilities.

[Twilight]

Well this is all good in theory, altho i don't see much fact to back it up.
not dogging y'al just sayin'.

personally, I think that Nomura described the relationship between the relams pretty well:

"there is no clear line between good and evil" - paraphrase

the Realm of Darkness is NOT just a bunch of heartless. and even if it was, heartless are not evil persay.

personally, I think Ven is the reflection of Sora in the Realm of Darkness, just as Sora is Ven's reflection in the Realm of Light.

and in the Realm of Darkness, there are people, too. I think

[Souretsu Gear]

You mean a parallel world where we have alternate selves that have different but mirroring images?

[Twilight]

yes basically but with subtle differences because of the nature of the difference realm elements

[Obscured fire]

Er....ok...nice point anyway,but i think you wrote way too much!!!!

[Bryantjj]

Sooo, twilight_dragon, you say that Roxas should have dreams about Ven? Maybe those are suppressed by his dreams of Sora. Or maybe, Ven's Heart was spilt into both Roxas and Sora, and all those dreams and memories would be activated once they join again. Also, I think that it memory wipping isn't such a bad theory. It could very well be possible to protect Xehanort from finding Ven or something. Also, I don't think Kairi was memory wipped, she might've just been too young, or maybe she lost her memory when she floated through the space between the worlds when finally arriving at Destiny Islands. When Xehanort sent her off, Gummiships weren't used by him....

[Souretsu Gear]

Originally Posted by Bryantjj

Sooo, twilight_dragon, you say that Roxas should have dreams about Ven? Maybe those are suppressed by his dreams of Sora. Or maybe, Ven's Heart was spilt into both Roxas and Sora, and all those dreams and memories would be activated once they join again. Also, I think that it memory wipping isn't such a bad theory. It could very well be possible to protect Xehanort from finding Ven or something. Also, I don't think Kairi was memory wipped, she might've just been too young, or maybe she lost her memory when she floated through the space between the worlds when finally arriving at Destiny Islands. When Xehanort sent her off, Gummiships weren't used by him....

Well, if triggered by certain events such as in final mix Sora fighting Terra should have triggered some certain memory that has Terra inside. Or the name Xehanort would have triggered something that had to do with him. I mean, it could be possible that Ven is Roxas but there are some things that should have happend.

I do agree. Memory Wiping would be a good theory to go along with the "Roxas is Ven" theory.

[Bryantjj]

Also, it seems that Xehanort was memory wipped too before he was picked up by Ansem. Xehanort didn't have any memories!!

You know, we're on to something with this 'memory wipping Roxas is Ven' theory :)

[Souretsu Gear]

I smell amnesia and forcive memory wiping in the plot! Good job my friend, I think we found out what happened to Xehanort! But I wonder why would one memory wipe Xehanort?

[OmniChaos]

Originally Posted by twilight_dragon

I smell amnesia and forcive memory wiping in the plot! Good job my friend, I think we found out what happened to Xehanort! But I wonder why would one memory wipe Xehanort?

To lock away a great evil?

Well, if triggered by certain events such as in final mix Sora fighting Terra should have triggered some certain memory that has Terra inside. Or the name Xehanort would have triggered something that had to do with him. I mean, it could be possible that Ven is Roxas but there are some things that should have happend.

Then shouldn't Xigbar have also known Roxas was Ven? Xigbar met Ven before (with the other knights) but never mentions anything about Roxas being Ven.

[Bryantjj]

Well, maybe he doesn't know that Roxas is Ven. Just because Xigbar witnessed the knights doesn't mean he knows everything that went on. And if he did, then he might not let on how much he really knows, which kinda fits in his personality.

Maybe, but this is an entirely different theory, they sealed the Elder Mage in a body that could not use a Keyblade and wipped his memories so he wouldn't try to regain his old Body. This all to prevent him from going on a rampage again, or whatever his wizkid evil snobby plan is with Kingdom Hearts...

[Xehanort: 17]

Yo guys i just noticed something. Do you all remember the secret ending in KH2 when the 3 knights look at the shadow.
That shadow guys hands are not tied behind his back, also the 3 knights pick up 3 keyblades.
In kh2 FM secret ending you see the old man walking but his hands are tied behind his back, and the 3 keyblades that were picked up are not there anymore.

Could the KH2 secret ending be different from KH2 FM. Could that shadowy figure be Xehanort walking.

What do you guys think?