Terra, Aqua, and Ven's origin and their ties to the Keyblade war/links to the series

[keyblader_aki]

Originally Posted by unknown wielder

Everyone asks where did the keyblades go? I think that other people with qualified hearts got them in different places they are yet to be revealed like how sora got his keyblade when he was awoken in the beginnning of kh1

I was thinking, when Old Man Mage opened Kingdom Hearts and all the keyblades that were in the ground shot up into the air...maybe that's how all the other worlds got their own keyblades? I'm just throwing ideas out there but that did make me think. Genie and King Triton knew about the keyblades already....even if they have heard of legends maybe they met Venn, Terra and Aqua already? BBS is 10 years in the past, before KH1.

[keyblader_aki]

I kind of like this theory I really do. I hope I'm not over-lapping my boundaries and putting in one of my own. I want to see what you guys think as well or should I delete this later and put it in my own thread? Let me know but here's my theory.


Okay I just read through this entire topic, not wanting to miss anyone's comments and making sure I read everything, but I do have comments on things to say now.

BTW, Hello I'm aki ^.^ BIG KH fan!!!

MY THEORY:

About videos, if you go on you tube there are videos. There's an extended version of the vid we saw at the end of KH 2, which you guys already know. There are also videos from 358/2, it shows some of the Organization members talking, I just watched it yesterday so I've seen it. It's on japanese but the person who put the vid up it has english subtitles. It reveals alot. Another video has pictures flashing from BBS Venn and Terra mostly with of course Old Mage and the humanoid thing that came out of him in the vid. I have a theory that someone made comment about earlier. Roxas and Venn one and the same? I have a theory on this and I kind of agree with her.

In some of the pics it flashes there's a scene of Venn and Terra looking in on Rikku and Sora. Someone said it was Tidus but I'm pretty sure it's little Rikku and Sora. Then a pic flashes of Terra saying this (it's in jap originally someone translated it) "Just forget me. Just erase me....my friend." I think he's speaking to Venn, they're both on a beach setting bachground.

More pics...someone said Venn keeps getting beat up, well that's true. Terra is helping Venn up...but there's a few pics who show beat Venn up in that desert looking background. The thing that came out of the Old Mage guy is fighting Venn, then there's a pic of Venn face-down into the ground with the monster thing looking down at Venn. Next it flashes Terra in attack stance asking "What did you do to his/her heart?" I think the person didn't know the symbol in jap for his or her that's why it's like that. And Terra looks angry. So did the Old Mage do something to Venn's heart? What if he did? We know that this can happen because "Ansem" in KH1 did this to Rikku. I don't know how but what if the Old Man tainted Venn's heart, since I'm sepculating that Terra already knows the Old Mage, and witnessed what happens to someone when Darkness takes them over didn't want that to happen to Venn? So to prevent what happened to the Old Mage to happen to Venn, Terra puts a part of Venn inside Sora? The scene/pic of Venn and Terra watching Rikku and Sora (if this is Tidus then I'm very very sorry!!! but i think it's Sora) it looks like this takes place the same time Terra makes that comment about to Venn about forgetting him.. erasing him...Now something to point out in this pic. Look at Venn's wrist...ON THE SAME WRIST...as ROXAS he has ROXAS' bracelet!!! Now we know Venn can double-wield we've seen it, just like Roxas! If you look at Roxas and Venn and then Roxas and Sora, Venn and Roxas could pass off as identical twins, Sora and Roxas only similiar.

Now this is something that I don't know if anyone of you guys have seen. Someone translated from jap what the Terra in KH2FM+ said right before you start fighting him. He speaks about Venn and Aqua...so this helps confirm this is Terra, plus the keyblades are the same. "The Keyblade....I did not chose you...Who are you?....Xenohart?" Terra thinks SORA IS XENOHART!!!! This is another reason that helps me think Roxas/Sora is Venn somehow. If the Old Mage is in fact Xenohart....Terra would be sensing the "tainted" part of Venn that Venn got from Old Mage/Xenohart. Terra says he didn't choose Sora, he was going to choose Venn! It's been 10+ years since Terra saw Sora younger, it's possible he wouldn't recognize him. If Terra can choose who gets the keyblade next, then it makes me wonder if Sora wasn't chosen by Terra, how did Sora get the keyblade and the ability to weild a keyblade? Through Venn. The ability to wield and inherit the keyblade through him.

I give you an example that this in fact can happen. Rikku and Ansem in KH1. Rikku couldn't use a keyblade if you guys remember. Xenohart if he's the Old Mage, can wield a keyblade. Ansem (KH1) is Xenohart's heartless who took over Rikku. Rikku couldn't use a keyblade until he turned himself over and allowed Darkness into his heart, meaning Ansem into his heart. Now Rikku can call the same keyblade (scene when Rikku steals the kingdom key from us) as Sora...Xenohart tainted Venn who fused with Sora? Ansem is Xenohart's heartless who's inside Rikku now. See the connection?

Now I know there's flaws in this theory and you can point them out too. But another thing I want to point out in my theory. Say Venn and Aqua do in fact die in that battle in the desert. Instead of dying, Venn's soul goes to Sora. Now...a Nobody is someone's soul and body right? Roxas who looks like Venn is the soul and body leftover when Sora lost his heart? See the connection again?

How did Terra do this? I think that Terra knows how to REALLY use the Keyblade, look at all he does in the vid at the end of KH2 extended version? What if Terra knows how to use the Keyblade in a way we've never seen before. The "fake" keyblade Ansem gave Rikku. Sora said it himself, "A key that opens people's hearts.." or something like that. If a keyblade can open people's hearts, maybe Terra knew how to do this. Hell we don't even know how Kairi's heart got into Sora!!!!!! Another thing I want to point out, at the crossroads in the vid at the end of KH2 Venn comes from the direction of the Path of Darkness AND he picks up the keyblade Rikku wields which has darkness in it in some ways. Venn and Terra going to Destiny Islands also might explain how there's a door in the "secret place" of Kairi, Rikku and Sora's. They themselves don't know where the door came from. Terra and Venn using it eh?

Now from these comments it help my thinking that Terra was training Venn. An apprentice. Also if Terra dies in his armor, in this desert place, what happened to Aqua and Venn and when exactly does that battle take place. Since Aqua isn't seen just yet in any of the screenshot pictures I'm going to say that the Venn and Terra vs Old Man and humanoid monster happens BEFORE the battle we see at the end of KH2. If Terra dies here, where did Aqua and Venn go? What happened to them?

Another thing....has anyone ever thought about that saying about the keyblade? it flashes right at the beginning of the KH2 ending video. A Keyblade has great power (i know not exact words) One wielder was said to use the keyblade to save the world. The other used it to destory the world. After you defeat Xemnas, Rikku and Sora end up on a black dead looking beach. Same place the two hooded figures were sitting in ASAS or was it Deep Dive? I can't remember. Where is that exactly? Does anyone know? And it's funny how that world connects directly to Destiny Islands. Light and Dark, destoryed and saved. What if that destroyed and dark beach is the world that was destroyed and Desting Islands is the world that was saved? It would make sense...to me it does. What if Terra didn't want Venn to be found again by Xenohart or the Darkness and sealed off Destiny Islands all by itself? The hooded figure at the beginning of KH1 says it too..." This world has been connected..." it makes it sound like that Destiny Islands was really never connected...and if you think about it...Destiny Islands you can never get back to by Gummi Ship you always get "transported" there....through the doors of Light or Dark?

Enough of all of that....god that was long. Tell me what you think guys?!?! please..and don't be too harsh

[ghalghej]

I remembered now that Marluxia says something like this in KH:CoM:

" So, you really turned back into a human after transforming into a heartless... there was only one person that was ever able to do that..."

I think it was something like this, if I'm wrong, sorry about this.

[fantasygurl1227]

Dis is what i think
The DS is the younger part of Xehanort, and Xehanort is Terra's father, so the DS has the same haircolor and eyecolor of Xehanort because he is a younger part of him, but he has similar hair to Terra, because his older self is Terra's father.
Terra decides he hates his father Xehanort so he kills him by using heartless power. but he forgets to kill the the DS who gets injured, loses his memory and is saved by Ansem the Wise. Then Terra goes on vacation for a while, and comes back 10 years later to kick Xehanorts a$$ after he finds out about the DS surviving, but sora already did it, so he tried to kick a$$ instead.
Terra didn't take Ven and Aqua with him, so Ven got hurt at some point somebody saved him by putting his heart in Sora, who would later come back out and be Roxas :]
And then Aqua died by being experimented on but he nobody was born, and decided she wanted to be the kicka$$ 14th member of the org.
So now Terra is pissed, Ven is living inside of Sora *which is kinda creepy when you think about it* and Aqua's heart is in KH while here nobody is making smore's in the world that never was, while she waits for somebody to put her back to normal.
The king just happened to be there during this whole phenomenon, but he has a short term memory loss so that's why he didn't say anything about it in kh2

Yep i'm awsome

[Wolf Enigma]

Hmmm, so this must of happened when Braig was human. But then if now hes a nobody, how does he remeber about the past keyblade warriors?

[keyblader_aki]

Originally Posted by ghalghej

I remembered now that Marluxia says something like this in KH:CoM:

" So, you really turned back into a human after transforming into a heartless... there was only one person that was ever able to do that..."

I think it was something like this, if I'm wrong, sorry about this.

My brother and sister have re-played CoM at least 5 times each so they could digest stuff. The thing they want me to do is replay KH1 so we can listen to all the conversations a little better. I'll ask them about this...maybe they'll remember.

[Aqua13]

well it sounds good, but uput to much politics into it. i think that bbs shows the keyblade war where terra aqua and ven die since they arent shown in kh1 and inkh1, if they were alive there would be no use for sora

[Adamus]

Originally Posted by Wolf Enigma

Hmmm, so this must of happened when Braig was human. But then if now hes a nobody, how does he remeber about the past keyblade warriors?

Nobodies are capable of remembering their past, the only blanks are Roxas and Namine. Xemans included, but his memory was blank before he was a nobody thus his memories were only present through his times as ATW's apprentice

[Destiny's End]

Obviously his memories are trapped in as well. This all has something to due with the fact that he wound up in the outskirts of Radiant Garden.

I'm still not ready to believe that Xehanort lost ALL his memories. I made a thread on it a while back.

http://forums.khinsider.com/future-k...onspiracy.html

Check it out and see what I think on his so-called "memory loss."

My guess is that after the UEM opened up Kingdom Hearts, Terra's heart which held anger and pain, drew upon the masses of energy in Kingdom Hearts as well as the darkness that was summoned.

So, you're saying The image of the Kingdom Hearts set off something within Terra's Heart to make his eyes change color from Blue to Yellow?

Xigbar knew Terra and the other knights, so wouldn't you think Xigbar would have noticed that Xehanort was very similiar to Terra?

I don't really know if he knew them. All that was said is that he witnessed them. He may have just seem them in action. Hence the little insult to Sora: "...but man did it pick a dud this time. You don't look like your half the hero the others were." So, Terra, Aqua, and Ven must've been much more skilled than Sora.

Riku did not travel to find his own Keyblade. He used his darkness as his weapon, but down the road, he also used his light and it led him to find a Keyblade.

Well, he didn't find his Keyblade. It was made from the Hearts of the Seven Princesses of Heart. Funny how hearts can make up a Keyblade? There's a theory in there somewhere. I'll find it.

Well, the UEM was extreamly powerful. There's a good chance he could barely survive.

Like you said Omni, we don't how powerful and for that matter what kind of powers Kingdom Hearts holds.