Featured Theory of the Week - Week Two!

[Monkey]

For those of you that do not know, every week I will be featuring a new theory on the main page that I feel is worthy of display. =) If you would like to share your theory with the KH Community, make sure to send an email to monkey@khinsider.com

Anyway, this week's featured theory comes from a a submitter by the name of Ragnarok_77. Excellent work!

Please comment on Ragnarok's theory. Do you agree with it? Great! Do you disagree with it? Say what parts you find iffy. =)

Firstly, with the Final Mix + movie, there are a few big burning questions
about it. The first and foremost, probably the most relevant, is where or
when does this take place. I have a feeling this all takes place before
Kingdom Hearts I even begins. This movie, I feel, chronicles the birth of
the entire real story behind Kingdom Hearts, and as such, may be the last
title in the series, but that's jumping the gun by a mile. Back on track, I
think that where the movie takes place is in the dark realm, but there's no
proof really to say either way.

The three soldiers (I don't like using the initials, because I know it gets
kind of confusing seeing E.S. B.H.S., etc all the time. It disrupts reading)
are obviously the central parts of the movie. Two have been confirmed, Aqua,
the blue haired woman, and Ven, the Roxas look-alike. The third solider I
originally thought would be Xehanort, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
In addition, we see an old wizarding type sporting some familiar clothing to
those of us who finished Kingdom Hearts I. He clearly is wearing "Ansem"'s
little outfit, though it is slightly modified, which is peculiar. In
addition, he seems to "summon" a black and red clad soldier that looks an
awful lot like Evil Riku from KHI when Ansem started controlling him during
the forming of the dark keyblade. (Still one of the best boss fights evar.)
This Dark Soldier as he has come to be called originally looked a lot like a
heartless, but this is probably not the case. The blade he is carrying
appears to be devoid of a keychain, as I'm sure many people have pointed
out. The same holds true for the blade the three knights wield as well.
Mickey's Star Seeker at the end, and the blade used by the bald man DO have
keychains. This makes me think that those are true keyblades, and the others
are not. Big deal, I'm sure there are hundreds of people saying the same
thing.

I feel, like I'm sure many people may by this point in time, that the bald
man is in fact named Xehanort. He not only has those nice yellow eyes we've
come to despise, but he also is wearing the same outfit as Xehanort's
heartless from the end of KHI, which has already been stated. The Dark
Soldier that was summoned is NOT wearing the EXACT same clothing as Riku
was, as Riku's outfit had more blue in it, and the dreaded Emblem on his
chest. It is possible that the bald man conjured this Solider the same way
he transformed Riku. Xehanort's heartless though also seemed to possess the
ability to take control of bodies, as Riku found out by the middle-end of
Kingdom Hearts I and still was grappling with through CoM and KHII. This
sounds like a boring lecture on Kingdom Hearts past, but I'm going to make
it relevant! Just wait. The unnamed soldier who was initially though to be
Xehanort (based on minute hair and eye color similarities to... well...
Xehanort in Kingdom Hearts II) seems to have something really bad in the way
of a grudge against this bald man. It is my understanding that they will
have a show down after the clip cuts to "Kingdom Hearts", even though he is
clearly outmatched by the bald man's prowess. However, the knight will
defeat him, and the bald man in return will take control of the knight's
body.

Waking up in the knight's body, he would still be Xehanort, except with his
memories temporarily lost and his hair turning from dark brown to a pale
white. It may be then that he is taken in by Ansem the Wise to go on to
create Heartless and Nobodies and everything else. Perhaps with the new
Xehanort being split into Heartless and Nobody, both bent on using the
powers of Kingdom Hearts (like the bald man appeared to the end of the final
mix + movie), that the knight was restored in some way, or maybe restored
when the heartless and the nobody were both defeated. The only thing I can
think of to thoroughly refute this would be how you would go about taking on
the Soldier in Final Mix +. Even still, I feel that the way to fighting him
goes along with the theory. Then again, this could be easily debunked, but
it is interesting to think about until rendered fail.

Thoughts on Aqua... I don't know, but she does seem to have a close
relationship with Ven. I feel that Ven is clearly Sora/Roxas age, and Aqua
seems to be too old to be a romantic relationship, perhaps more of a
motherly one. Maybe that's just because her blue hair makes her a tad more
distinguished in my eyes. It's just an opinion. In addition, it's clear that
Ven resembling Roxas is not a coincidence. Roxas' real name may be Ven if
so, then it seems Roxas, and perhaps Nobodies, play a larger role than we
may think. I also don't feel like they would create 11 brand new characters
and let them all get killed off in one game. I feel we'll see more of
Organization 13, because though they are Nobodies, when they were created
there was a heartless born as well... and if their Nobodies are strong
enough to maintain their own appearance... plus the Roxas and Axel
friendship seems to have been left at such a sad point... I don't feel it's
quite finished. Maybe that's just my own hoping that we'll see Organization
XIII again.

Final points of contention, since this is already long and probably won't be
posted as a featured theory;
- Roxas is able to use two keyblades possibly as a result of being part Ven
and part Sora, two keyblade weilders... or maybe cuz it's just cool >_>
- Mickey at the end of the trailer is the first time we see him without the
inverse Kingdom Key, which strikes me as odd since it really doesn't help
place the time period. He had a keyblade when visiting Ansem, and had the
Inverse Kingdom Key at the end of KHI.
- Only Mickey and bald man's keyblades have keychains attached to them, the
rest are simply swords. A keyblade is not a keyblade if it doesn't have a
keychain (that's my feeling/opinion).
- Xehanort being a keyblade master could explain why Riku was able to take
Sora's in KHI and use it for a short amount of time while Sora doubted
himself, but I think that may only be part of the reason
- This is my own opinion, but I think we'll see something of Sora's
father... possibly the unnamed soldier with brown hair and crystal blue eyes
before turning gold... most likely not, but... who knows.
- Mickey's letter at the beginning of KHI leaves a few questions, as in how
did Mickey know of the "key" that would save everyone... perhaps from Yen
Sid? Or is it someone else?


And finally, for all those who are fearful of Sora not being in the next
Kingdom Hearts as a main character, at the beginning of the series, he is
told that he has the mightiest weapon of all, and that he will be the one to
open the door. He hasn't opened any such monumental doors yet that I'm aware
of, and until he does, his role in Kingdom Hearts isn't over, so fear not
^_^

[Fuse]

I can't believe I just read all of this. lol.

This is a great theory.
Alot of small theories have been like this, but it seems he took all these smaller theories and added his own twist to it.

It is interesting and by far my favorite =]

[sepheroth1]

hmm, very interestin, a lot of what is said easily explains a lot

[I]

Hehe, that is genius! I never would have thought of the whole 'Old man= Xehanort = take over unnamed knight's body= new Xehanort, so on and so forth. Very very good theory! Rep deserving!

[Sorafactor]

very nice theory! I enjoyed reading it alot!

[TheMuffinMan]

Honestly, it is in no way confirmed that 'Aqua' and "Ven' are the E.S's companions...

All we have is him saying "lolz, Wind, lolz, Water" in Latin...so...we're just gonna jump around and assume that means that they're the two other Knights?

I don't think so, jumping to conclusions on this would be silly...and apparently 90% of the Kh fanbase feels like being very silly, because all it is is speculation that should be taken with a grain of salt, not seen as fact

[Maverick E.S]

Originally Posted by Ragnarok_77
Firstly, with the Final Mix + movie, there are a few big burning questions
about it. The first and foremost, probably the most relevant, is where or
when does this take place. I have a feeling this all takes place before
Kingdom Hearts I even begins. This movie, I feel, chronicles the birth of
the entire real story behind Kingdom Hearts, and as such, may be the last
title in the series, but that's jumping the gun by a mile. Back on track, I
think that where the movie takes place is in the dark realm, but there's no
proof really to say either way.

The three soldiers (I don't like using the initials, because I know it gets
kind of confusing seeing E.S. B.H.S., etc all the time. It disrupts reading)
are obviously the central parts of the movie. Two have been confirmed, Aqua,
the blue haired woman, and Ven, the Roxas look-alike. The third solider I
originally thought would be Xehanort, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
In addition, we see an old wizarding type sporting some familiar clothing to
those of us who finished Kingdom Hearts I. He clearly is wearing "Ansem"'s
little outfit, though it is slightly modified, which is peculiar. In
addition, he seems to "summon" a black and red clad soldier that looks an
awful lot like Evil Riku from KHI when Ansem started controlling him during
the forming of the dark keyblade. (Still one of the best boss fights evar.)
This Dark Soldier as he has come to be called originally looked a lot like a
heartless, but this is probably not the case. The blade he is carrying
appears to be devoid of a keychain, as I'm sure many people have pointed
out. The same holds true for the blade the three knights wield as well.
Mickey's Star Seeker at the end, and the blade used by the bald man DO have
keychains. This makes me think that those are true keyblades, and the others
are not. Big deal, I'm sure there are hundreds of people saying the same
thing.

I feel, like I'm sure many people may by this point in time, that the bald
man is in fact named Xehanort. He not only has those nice yellow eyes we've
come to despise, but he also is wearing the same outfit as Xehanort's
heartless from the end of KHI, which has already been stated. The Dark
Soldier that was summoned is NOT wearing the EXACT same clothing as Riku
was, as Riku's outfit had more blue in it, and the dreaded Emblem on his
chest. It is possible that the bald man conjured this Solider the same way
he transformed Riku. Xehanort's heartless though also seemed to possess the
ability to take control of bodies, as Riku found out by the middle-end of
Kingdom Hearts I and still was grappling with through CoM and KHII. This
sounds like a boring lecture on Kingdom Hearts past, but I'm going to make
it relevant! Just wait. The unnamed soldier who was initially though to be
Xehanort (based on minute hair and eye color similarities to... well...
Xehanort in Kingdom Hearts II) seems to have something really bad in the way
of a grudge against this bald man. It is my understanding that they will
have a show down after the clip cuts to "Kingdom Hearts", even though he is
clearly outmatched by the bald man's prowess. However, the knight will
defeat him, and the bald man in return will take control of the knight's
body.

Waking up in the knight's body, he would still be Xehanort, except with his
memories temporarily lost and his hair turning from dark brown to a pale
white. It may be then that he is taken in by Ansem the Wise to go on to
create Heartless and Nobodies and everything else. Perhaps with the new
Xehanort being split into Heartless and Nobody, both bent on using the
powers of Kingdom Hearts (like the bald man appeared to the end of the final
mix + movie), that the knight was restored in some way, or maybe restored
when the heartless and the nobody were both defeated. The only thing I can
think of to thoroughly refute this would be how you would go about taking on
the Soldier in Final Mix +. Even still, I feel that the way to fighting him
goes along with the theory. Then again, this could be easily debunked, but
it is interesting to think about until rendered fail.

Thoughts on Aqua... I don't know, but she does seem to have a close
relationship with Ven. I feel that Ven is clearly Sora/Roxas age, and Aqua
seems to be too old to be a romantic relationship, perhaps more of a
motherly one. Maybe that's just because her blue hair makes her a tad more
distinguished in my eyes. It's just an opinion. In addition, it's clear that
Ven resembling Roxas is not a coincidence. Roxas' real name may be Ven if
so, then it seems Roxas, and perhaps Nobodies, play a larger role than we
may think. I also don't feel like they would create 11 brand new characters
and let them all get killed off in one game. I feel we'll see more of
Organization 13, because though they are Nobodies, when they were created
there was a heartless born as well... and if their Nobodies are strong
enough to maintain their own appearance... plus the Roxas and Axel
friendship seems to have been left at such a sad point... I don't feel it's
quite finished. Maybe that's just my own hoping that we'll see Organization
XIII again.

Final points of contention, since this is already long and probably won't be
posted as a featured theory;
- Roxas is able to use two keyblades possibly as a result of being part Ven
and part Sora, two keyblade weilders... or maybe cuz it's just cool >_>
- Mickey at the end of the trailer is the first time we see him without the
inverse Kingdom Key, which strikes me as odd since it really doesn't help
place the time period. He had a keyblade when visiting Ansem, and had the
Inverse Kingdom Key at the end of KHI.
- Only Mickey and bald man's keyblades have keychains attached to them, the
rest are simply swords. A keyblade is not a keyblade if it doesn't have a
keychain (that's my feeling/opinion).
- Xehanort being a keyblade master could explain why Riku was able to take
Sora's in KHI and use it for a short amount of time while Sora doubted
himself, but I think that may only be part of the reason
- This is my own opinion, but I think we'll see something of Sora's
father... possibly the unnamed soldier with brown hair and crystal blue eyes
before turning gold... most likely not, but... who knows.
- Mickey's letter at the beginning of KHI leaves a few questions, as in how
did Mickey know of the "key" that would save everyone... perhaps from Yen
Sid? Or is it someone else?


And finally, for all those who are fearful of Sora not being in the next
Kingdom Hearts as a main character, at the beginning of the series, he is
told that he has the mightiest weapon of all, and that he will be the one to
open the door. He hasn't opened any such monumental doors yet that I'm aware
of, and until he does, his role in Kingdom Hearts isn't over, so fear not
^_^

:thumbsup:

Ok that is the best theory ive seen..also you must have a MAJOR headache from thinking about all of that lol:toungesmile: but that is truly good thinking

[Monkey]

Honestly, it is in no way confirmed that 'Aqua' and "Ven' are the E.S's companions...

Considering the three of them were seen fighting together against a common enemy?

All we have is him saying "lolz, Wind, lolz, Water" in Latin...so...we're just gonna jump around and assume that means that they're the two other Knights?

3 Knights Shown in secret ending of KH2. 3 people fighting enemy that appears at ending of Kh2. It is obvious the other two are the other two knights.

I don't think so, jumping to conclusions on this would be silly...and apparently 90% of the Kh fanbase feels like being very silly, because all it is is speculation that should be taken with a grain of salt, not seen as fact

No one is jumping to conclusions. People are posting theories. Theories = speculation. Everyone knows this. Get it together.

[Cloud_Tifa]

I happen to really like this theory alot ^_^

[howelllawson]

I was thinking something along those lines...but it got too complicated, and my head started to hurt, so I quit. :toungesmile:

Anyways, great job on this! ^_^

[TheMuffinMan]

Monkey, you're not getting what I'm saying, it was never stated that the ES was even talking about anyone in general when he said the words "Aqua" and "Ven" in Latin

I'm aware that the 2 Knights in the KH2 Secret Video are the E.S's companions, waht I'm saying is that it is not confirmed that it is those 2 Knights that he was talking about when he said the words "Ven" and "Aqua"

Did he said "Ven...Aqua...my friends...where have you gone?" No, all he said where the words "Ven" and "Aqua"

What if he was lamenting about the harsh winds, or the lack of water? Maybe he was reminiscing on his childhood home, where was windswept and surrounded by water? Maybe he just had bad gas earlier? We don't know

All Xaldin said was "You know, maybe he was talking about the 2 other Knights? I dunno", and people saw this and was like "OMGZ CONFIRMEDZ", and then it was posted on the main page and everyone said "OMGZ EVN MOR CONFIRMDZ". Everyone's jumped the guns, and now everyone assumes that's their names based on nothing other than Xaldin having a hunch, people should be taking it with a grain of salt and waiting more than a week after the game comes out to assume it's a fact

Me? I'm a cautious guy. I sat through the "BHK = KAZE" and "OMG MAJESTY FORMZ" and "OMGZ PLUTO IZ SUMON', I try and get people to take a couple steps back and not take everything you hear as a fact, that's what I'm trying to do with this.

[Aucune Raison]

Maverick, please don't quote the WHOLE theory if you're not going to do anything with it. Wasting space and scroll time, man.

Anyways, there are many assumptions with this theory, though some of it fits, however, some things aren't straight, or could be in a different situation.

-Riku was able to use Sora's keyblade for a time because he was the original keyblade master, but Sora ended up getting a hold of it, because he was the purer of them. Also, Riku did not meet Xehanort's heartless until after being defeated by Sora.

-I do not believe that "Aqua's" gender has been confirmed.

This seems a lot like one of those combined-ideas-from-other-people theories.

[FinalSora04]

maybe the dark solder that the bald men summoned is a completly new kind of enemy,different from the heartless or the nobodies.


or maybe it's just a new kind of magic, duplicate.
well, he wouldn't have duplicated himself cause the dark guy didn't look a thing like him

just thinkin out loud here

[Sorakh212]

Your theory does compile a lot of info. and facts, but if this scene were to take place before kh1, then what is in the contents of the letter of the second one because in a way it was a cliffhanger type ending. Plus y is it that in kh2fm you can fight the E.S. at disney castle that kind of makes me wonder, becuase y there I mean it could have been in another place too. Good Theory I agree with a lot of it, but not all of it. No offense or anything, but some of it doesn't really add up in my opinion.

[Maverick E.S]

Maverick, please don't quote the WHOLE theory if you're not going to do anything with it. Wasting space and scroll time, man.

Mybad dude i shouldv'e just worte his name then lol
But anyway so this isn't spam lol

-I do not believe that "Aqua's" gender has been confirmed.

Um just becuase its not confirmed doesn't mean we all don't know aqua obvoiusly(hopefully) is a woman lol no offense to whoever said that though and I still go with the theory 100% percent and also when i read it i agreed with everything it was really well thought out though