My theory

[Phalinx]

Originally Posted by Xemnas.01

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You have to remember, that it was Maleficent who game Riku those clothes. He had them on before he had even met Xehanort's Heartless.

The clothes are symbolic of, and connected to, darkness. You are ignoring the fact that I said Riku was wearing the clothes WHEN XEHANORT WAS CONTROLLING HIM. It doesn't matter where he GOT the clothes from. The "guardian" of the UEM was wearing the same clothes, meaning that he could be controlling him, like Xehanort controlled Riku. Even Xehanort and the UEM wear the same clothes, so it could mean that it's just a cycle.

Originally Posted by Xemnas.01

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And? He said you can think it is in the future. He already said it was in the past, so why add the last bit? Maybe because events from the past will happen agian.

I added it because I was under the impression that you were saying it was BOTH the future and the present. But now that I know you didn't mean that, you may disregard that statement.

Originally Posted by Xemnas.01

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That's what I said. FYI :Cocky - Definitions from Dictionary.com
They are basically the same...

Wrong again, sir. I'll give you the watered down version:

Coneceited - self-absorbed, self-obsessed, narsicistic.
Cocky - overly confident.

Yes, they may be the same if you're a sp. ed. student.


Regarding the other stuff:

That doesn't explain how Xehanort became younger. You can't use one theory to hold up another theory, because it then quickly becomes a house of cards. Your theory is that he tried to absorb Kingdom Hearts. Since you don't KNOW that as fact, and until you do, you can't say that's how the UEM became the young Xehanort, because if you were going to say that, and it was proven otherwise false in a future game, your complete theory would be nothing.

The only way that Xehanort's Heartless could continue to survive was if it emerged itself in the Darkness that lingered within Riku's heart. If it were expelled, it would no longer be able to survive. And with Xemnas dead in the World of Nothing, there is nothing left of Xehanort whatsoever. Now I suppose one way he could survive once expelled was if there was someone with equal darkness in their hearts in the immediate area, but there wasn't. There was only Mickey, Donald, Goofy, Kairi(No darkness) and Sora(Very little darkness).

Originally Posted by Xemnas.01

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Looks like you didn't....

Looks like I did.

[OmniChaos]

Originally Posted by Phalinx

The clothes are symbolic of, and connected to, darkness.

Yes, I do agree with you on that.

The "guardian" of the UEM was wearing the same clothes, meaning that he could be controlling him, like Xehanort controlled Riku. Even Xehanort and the UEM wear the same clothes, so it could mean that it's just a cycle.

Actually, no. They look similiar, but the clothes Riku and the DS are wearing are different.
D.S.:


Riku:


They are different, but similiar. So, you cannot say they are the same.

That doesn't explain how Xehanort became younger. You can't use one theory to hold up another theory, because it then quickly becomes a house of cards. Your theory is that he tried to absorb Kingdom Hearts.

It is simply a possibility. Are there other ways? Perhaps.

Since you don't KNOW that as fact, and until you do, you can't say that's how the UEM became the young Xehanort, because if you were going to say that, and it was proven otherwise false in a future game, your complete theory would be nothing.

They exact way he became young would not ruin my theory at all. It would change it a bit, yes, but the main point is that the UEM became young.

The only way that Xehanort's Heartless could continue to survive was if it emerged itself in the Darkness that lingered within Riku's heart. If it were expelled, it would no longer be able to survive. And with Xemnas dead in the World of Nothing, there is nothing left of Xehanort whatsoever. Now I suppose one way he could survive once expelled was if there was someone with equal darkness in their hearts in the immediate area, but there wasn't. There was only Mickey, Donald, Goofy, Kairi(No darkness) and Sora(Very little darkness).

When the heartless are defeated, what becomes of the stolen hearts? Also, when members of Organization XIII and other Nobodies are defeated, do they return to their original form?

When heartless are defeated, essentially the owner's hearts are rejoined with their once extenguished body, whichever world it may be on. As for the whereabouts of hearts in KHII that turn up, this time they remarkably went to the organization (there is a foot note here that says "In Kingdom Hearts II after heartless were defeated, the many hearts were absorbed by the Kingdom Hearts of "people's hearts"). However, in the rare case that the body changed into a Nobody, when there is no container for the heart it resorts to a state of suspension.

In the case of a Nobody being defeated, it's a little more complicated. If the above mentioned hearts are liberated, they return to their original form. However, if the heart is still stolen by the heartless, the Nobody's body is swallowed by darkness. If somewhere in the world their hearts are taken back, perhaps they might be able to return to their original human form.

Looks like I did.

You obviously do not know me....
Just ask V.A.T.13, you won't win.

[Skater Nobody]

i think that the UEM would be aroggant and try to absrob Kingdom Hearts and become god-like
{like Xemnas tried to}
and like Ansme's "Heart Data Encoder" he overloaded in energy he could absorb and he blow up and lost his memories but he wasnt killed he had a "Fountain of Youth" thing happen instead of him dying and he was transformed into Xenahort and left by the worlds as dead
by AtW screwed it up by finding him

and he and Terra looking a like could have been by chance

[Phalinx]

Originally Posted by Xemnas.01

Yes, I do agree with you on that.

k.

Originally Posted by Xemnas.01

Actually, no. They look similiar, but the clothes Riku and the DS are wearing are different.
D.S.:


Riku:


They are different, but similiar. So, you cannot say they are the same.

Yes, forgive me. They are not exactly the same, but at first glance, that's how they appeared to me. My point still stands, though, as they look similar if not almost identical, regardless of the difference in the Heart's design.[/quote]

Originally Posted by Xemnas.01

They exact way he became young would not ruin my theory at all. It would change it a bit, yes, but the main point is that the UEM became young.

I'm not battling your 'explanation' for how he became/becomes young. I'm saying you don't have any proof that something might've made him become young again. Which then means that, until proven otherwise, UEM doesn't become young again.

Originally Posted by Xemnas.01

When heartless are defeated, essentially the owner's hearts are rejoined with their once extenguished body, whichever world it may be on. As for the whereabouts of hearts in KHII that turn up, this time they remarkably went to the organization (there is a foot note here that says "In Kingdom Hearts II after heartless were defeated, the many hearts were absorbed by the Kingdom Hearts of "people's hearts"). However, in the rare case that the body changed into a Nobody, when there is no container for the heart it resorts to a state of suspension.

In the case of a Nobody being defeated, it's a little more complicated. If the above mentioned hearts are liberated, they return to their original form. However, if the heart is still stolen by the heartless, the Nobody's body is swallowed by darkness. If somewhere in the world their hearts are taken back, perhaps they might be able to return to their original human form.

..what? Since Xehanort's Heartless didn't rejoin his original body when he was defeated by Sora, and instead remained in Riku's heart, he is obviously a special case, and these rules have proven to not apply to him. See?

Originally Posted by Xemnas.01

You obviously do not know me....
Just ask V.A.T.13, you won't win.

You're under the impression that this is an arguement. The entire point of this is to make your theory more believeable and likely through my challanging your points, and your refining them. It's really quite fun.

[swizzle]

^I thought that scene took place right after Roxas was created and Xemnas told him his name. Roxas didn't remember Sora until the 6th day on the game. But the thing with the Keyblade is right. Roxas couldn't weild them at first because he didn't remember them. That would probablly be the same situation with Xehanort. How could he weild something he could remember?
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no roxas forgot everything, he even forgot axel and hte org cuz ansem did some weird magical thingy to erase his memory.

[mrsflowers88]

aww. i wish i had kh2:FM :(
haha these are pretty good theories.

[bamak93]

Xemnas, your theory is very well thought out and i can support it.

[V.A.T.13]

*looks up* Wha? Someone call me? -_o

Yea, Yea, xemnas.01 will keep going, we're still talking in another thread since last week.
Hurry up and respond will ya? In the "About Axel" thread yo. D:

[Valley of Chrome]

That doesn't explain how Xehanort became younger. You can't use one theory to hold up another theory, because it then quickly becomes a house of cards. Your theory is that he tried to absorb Kingdom Hearts.

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It is simply a possibility. Are there other ways? Perhaps.

He could be right in absorbing KH..And he died because of Overpower(like xemnas.01 said)
You forgot 1 thing,DS.
DS could be Xehanort.DS remembered Xehanort when he became Ansem(Xehanort's Heartless).
He wanted to be strong like his master and wanted to have revenge.He could have mimicked his master.
Since he became a scientist too,he studied every thing his master had studied but he didn't know yet that his master studied that.He was just curious.Like Xemnas.01 said,History could have repeated itself.
He could also start a new keyblade war.

[OmniChaos]

Originally Posted by Phalinx

Yes, forgive me. They are not exactly the same, but at first glance, that's how they appeared to me. My point still stands, though, as they look similar if not almost identical, regardless of the difference in the Heart's design.

Okay. I agree with you that the clothes are symbolic of darkness. Riku's was most likely powered by hearts (heartless symbol). The DS' could be a different type of darkness.

I'm not battling your 'explanation' for how he became/becomes young. I'm saying you don't have any proof that something might've made him become young again. Which then means that, until proven otherwise, UEM doesn't become young again.

How I see it, unless something is disprooven, there is a chance that it can be a probable outcome. Like I said in the theory, how he becamce young is the hardest obstical to overcome for someone trying to proove the UEM and Xehanort one in the same. Look at it this way: The UEM is by far the strongest enemy we have seen in the game so far. It was very hard for Sora to beat Terra, but the UEM took him out easily. Even if Terra tapped into darkness, he would have a very hard time beating the UEM. An explosion equal to the one with Ansem's machine would have to be required to inflict so much damage to someone with the UEM/Xehanort's power.

..what? Since Xehanort's Heartless didn't rejoin his original body when he was defeated by Sora, and instead remained in Riku's heart, he is obviously a special case, and these rules have proven to not apply to him. See?

Yes, I am aware of that. What I am saying, Xehanort's heartless gets freed at TWTNW (if). He seeks revenge against Sora and Riku. Xehanort's Heartless looses and is destroied. Xehanort's Heartless and Xemnas meet in nothingness and reform into Xehanort.

I'm about 80% self sure that Xehanort's Heartless was expelled from Riku. That would explain why Riku returned to normal and Mickey told him that he no longer belonged to the dark realm.

You're under the impression that this is an arguement. The entire point of this is to make your theory more believeable and likely through my challanging your points, and your refining them. It's really quite fun.

No I'm not. I'm simply trying to tell you that I am not a person who quits easily. =P
I love to critique theories (no matter how loosely or backed up they are). With a little mind jolt someone posted, I was able to nail the final nail on the whole "Axel's Riku nobody" thing.