Secret Ending Information Compilation (Spoilers+56k)

[Havick 075]

I would have to assume so

[SilverRain]

If you go to the highest staircase (the golden one) in Yen Sid's tower, press the select button, and look up with the camera, does anyone else think that the sky/ceiling looks a bit like the sky in the secret movie where kingdom hearts is shown? It probably doesn't mean anything, but it's interesting to look at anyways.

Also, I think Yen Sid could possibly have the role of explaining things again to Sora or whoever the main character is in the next game since Mickey is shown holding the keyblade that you get from him and he is a powerful sorcerer so he might know some info.

[Havick 075]

possibly...

Anyway, though, I did mention soemthin earlier that i never got feedback on... Xemnas wears Knight armor in of the stages of the fights you have with him his armor is an exact replica of their's exept insted of horns he has a crown shape... so that mean Xemnas is a double agent? elaboration!!

[Donnie Yen]

EDIT: Ooops, wrong topic. :P

[ReverseRebirth]

Originally Posted by bladed asassin

well... i was on the website the kingdom key and they had some really wierd storyline for the next kh...they said like that all of this was a dream sora had and then the chasers asked him to help but he would have to change sides ..like him using the darkness... you could check it out but im not bying it yet

I actually like this idea..simply beacause of the first things we hear Sora say "I've been having these weird thoughts lately, like is any of this for real or not"

[bladed asassin]

Originally Posted by ReverseRebirth

I actually like this idea..simply beacause of the first things we hear Sora say "I've been having these weird thoughts lately, like is any of this for real or not"

now that you put it that way.. it does sound abit more like maybe that it the story line.. i didn/t see that until you pointed that out..thanx

[ReverseRebirth]

I also kinda have chopped and screwed thoughts of my own on the story to the next game

--BHS doesn't look like Roxas for nothing... he is a spitting image. When you think back to another side another story(correct me if i'm wrong it might have been deep dive) it is said "He looks just like you" when you think about it... Sora doesn't look like Roxas in the way that BHS does. They created the character to look like Roxas for a reason, I'm just not sure what yet.

--I believe that this next game will go into a little bit of Kairi's story... or where she came from. I.E. how she came from Radient Gardens to Destiny islands. I believe that Kairi's grandmother weilded a key blade, and is FS. I'm actually really confident in that. So with that given, the plot couldn't ouccur too far in the past. but definatly not future.

and when you think about it as well, Numora cannot create a totally different game it has to have correlation and stay true to the essence of the games that preceeded it.

[bladed asassin]

Originally Posted by ReverseRebirth

I also kinda have chopped and screwed thoughts of my own on the story to the next game

--BHS doesn't look like Roxas for nothing... he is a spitting image. When you think back to another side another story(correct me if i'm wrong it might have been deep dive) it is said "He looks just like you" when you think about it... Sora doesn't look like Roxas in the way that BHS does. They created the character to look like Roxas for a reason, I'm just not sure what yet.

--I believe that this next game will go into a little bit of Kairi's story... or where she came from. I.E. how she came from Radient Gardens to Destiny islands. I believe that Kairi's grandmother weilded a key blade, and is FS. I'm actually really confident in that. So with that given, the plot couldn't ouccur too far in the past. but definatly not future.

and when you think about it as well, Numora cannot create a totally different game it has to have correlation and stay true to the essence of the games that preceeded it.

yeah.. and everyone kept saying that roxas was the keyblades chosen one.. so maybe there not refering to sora and somone else.. and with kairi's grandma thats a good a thoery cuz it said that sora ruki and kiari had some relation with the past keyblade wielders soo yeah.. kiari's grandma... she kicked ass in her youth...lol

[ReverseRebirth]

"A scattered dream that's like a far off memory, a far off memory that's like a scattered dream, I want to line the pieces up. yours and mine."---first quote from HK2 I'm still unsure whether Roxas said this or Sora. but I believe it's just as significant as the first Quote from KH

[Ruglia]

Originally Posted by :Saixy:

I was thinking the brown-haired one has a connection with Xenahort's Heartless. Their hair styles are practically the same. Although they have a big difference in hair color. At first, I thought he looked like Leon.

Hair styles are not the same =/ Xenahort's hair looked more like his heartless, only a little bit messed up - he didn't had this... bangs (or whatever you may call it) to the sides, while Saïx does. Just look at Wikipedia's blurry photo of Xenahort and then look at Saix and then look at the E.S.

Besides, there's the detail of E.S. looking at the moon and seemingly beggining to have a transformation, which is more or less evident in his eyes - Saïx does the same in KHII to go berserker.

E.S.'s sword looks like a nobody berserker's sword, by the way.

[(~Perfection_Achieved~)]

The One He Fears triumphant RETURN!!!

In looking at the E.S. I am willing to bet everything that he is the original Xehanort. First of all, he looks like Xehanort, just younger. He has brown hair at that point, and his hair is alittle different. We can't assume though that it is simply the Xehanort from the Ansem's Reports. Because Nomura said that the knights are all new charcters. I'll even go so far as to say that the E.S.'s name is not Xehanort. Xehanort means both "No Heart" and "Another", I think that the Knight is what Xehanort was before the keyblade war.

This is a quote from Xigbar during the conversation he had with Zexy:

Xigbar: So harsh of you. I just want us to have a little fun talk about, say, Xemnas' secret. How many years ago was it? People with the blade of keys started to appear and fought great battles. When they were gone, a man who had lost his memories appeared. Xemnas... no... Xehanort was taken in by Ansem around that time, was he not?

A man who had lost his memories.... I think something happened to the Knight. And the U.E.M. caused it, the U.E.M. and E.S. may be Xehanort for all I know.
Notice, this. When we first saw the E.S. (in the KH2 secret ending) a shadow of himself converged with his body before he moved. As if he were becoming complete. The U.E.M seemed to split himself in the opposite fashion into what I think is a heartless (maybe THE heartless) and a nobody). This may signify that in this past they come from, the E.S. was whole.

What I'm fighting with though is the fact that the 'Way to Dawn' is there, and rusted no less. So it should be the future which might explain the Roxas-look-alike. Right? Wrong. Sora proved that whatever timeline they are from, the present day Keyblade Masters have access to it from the Hall of Cornerstone. So time-placment can be pushed aside for now.

Did anyone read up on what the E.S. said to Sora before they fought? I need to know that, but what I can tell you is what he said afterwards:

Knight: I see. Your strength is... What I sensed in you is...

(When Returning for rematch)

Knight: So you have returned, young Keyblade user. I have no further power to give you. All I have is my hatred towards Xehanort. Will you allow me to engrave that into your heart?

So clearly we see that this Knight hates Xehanort. So maybe the U.E.M. is the original Xehanort? We see that the U.E.M. is old, maybe to old? We know that Xehanort's heartless possesed Riku, what if he possesed the Knight as well? The bonding of the two could have erased his memory and partially alter his phyical appearance. but during his experimentation on his own heart he may have remembered both lifetimes. Allowing him to open the Door to Darkness.

Another thing of large importance is to remember that Xemnas, while in the "Room of Sleep", refered to the F.S.'s armor as a "friend". Now read what Xigbar said to Zexy about Xemnas:

Xigbar: Our new quarters... oh, Castle Oblivion, right? What does Xemnas hope to achieve by using that?
Zexion: We've been told that-
Xigbar: There's a reason, one that hasn't been told to anyone. With the "Room of Sleep" comes the "Room of Awakening", the other place. That is what he is seeking; that room, which was not made by Xemnas. Perhaps that is where the other... "friend" is.

Hmm, so Xiggy knows about the "friend". They have also seen the F.S.'s armor, because earlier in the conversation it's implied that they've been down there:

Vexen: Where's Xemnas?
Zexion: At the usual place.
Vexen: The "Room of Sleep"?
Zexion: If it's urgent, why don't you go and see?
Vexen: Stop joking around! I will await his return. I must. This is what happens when we need him and he sleeps. Now, of all times...
Xigbar: I'm not so good in that place either. How about you, mister Zexion?

See? Now back to my point. Notice that Xiggy didn't say "friends". He said "friend". Which means they're looking for one other knight, who do you think that is?

If you said the B.H.S, then we're on the same page. (Something to note is this:

-Radient Garden (Light) = Female Knight's Armor
-Castle Oblivion (Darkness) = Blonde Haired Knight's Armor
-The World That Never Was (Twilight) = Where Xemnas wore his own Armor

Just for later theories)

So Xemnas seems to be looking for the two Knights, but why would Xehanort's Nobody refer to them as friends, unless The Enigmatic Knight and Xehanort are one in the same.

Remember the rooms also. The "Room of Sleep" and the "Room of Awakening". "It all begins with Birth by Sleep" That was what was said the end of the KH2 Secret Ending. "A new story awaits the Awakening" That was what is said at the end of the KH2:FM+ Secret Ending. I believe that is also important. Well tell me what you think! I've missed you guys.

[rikuzgirl4lyfe]

hmm. does anyone else think that the blond haired soilder could be roxas's past life, but then agin, that wouldn't make sense because roxas is sora...i'll come up with a better theory =0)

[Enigmacy]

Great job, Monkey and Xaldin.=]

[Bebop Blues]

Originally Posted by ReverseRebirth

"A scattered dream that's like a far off memory, a far off memory that's like a scattered dream, I want to line the pieces up. yours and mine."---first quote from HK2 I'm still unsure whether Roxas said this or Sora. but I believe it's just as significant as the first Quote from KH

Sora says it. but when he says mine it kinda sounds like his voice and Roxas' voiced mixed together

[Havick 075]

Very good set of information Perfection... and at the beginning of KH2 that is Roxas saying it probably as a couter-part to Sora saying it in the first one...I think maby when the E.S. became 'whole' at the begging of the secret endind might ahev just been a special effect but then again maby not... The new story is said to revolve around Xehanort, so he is possibly the main playable character in part '3' maby?? anywho Xigbar and Vexen were both turned to a nobody/heatless along with xehanort because they were Xehanort's assistants when he was expirmenting with hearts. So it's only reasonable to assume that they they know as much as they do for that reason, they knew xehanort back in da day, lol.

The E.S. when first encountered by sora in the optional fight He 'mistakes' sora for Xehanort, so it's safe to assume Sora's heart and Xehanort's heart's are both very unique and powerful hearts (Said by Ansem the Wise that Xehanort had a unique and powerful heart) so maby there's some kinda of blurry connection there... dunno... I dont think sora is dreaming all this, though it may seem plausable, I find that story-line to be very disappointing and i dont think Normaru would do that in my opinion, but still good theory...

E.S. does bear a resemblance to many people i guess, I dont think he is Siax seeing as how you kill him in the game and then also are able to fight E.S. at the same time. All the present characters we see are more then likely not E.S. or any knight because they cant be 2 people at once... Roxas cant have a past life nore a future life technically, roxas wasnt created until sora became a heartless in KH 1 and he was returned to Sora's body in KH 2 so I dont think B.H.S. has that kind of relation but i do belive there is one nonetheless. kairi's real home was Radiant gardens/hallow bastion... witch is where Ansem the wise lived also with Xehanort so Kairi might know (but cant remmeber) more then we let her onto know... F.S. could possibly be kairi's grandmother but who knows...

If there is a so called 'third' party/enemy of division in a person when they 'lose their heart to darkness' then they are assumingly called the "Chasers" meaning there is a third party to everyone... and here's something to go along with:: that a HEARTLESS is created from a persons lost HEART a NOBODY is created by a persons lost BODY so maby a CHASER is created from a persons lost MIND or MEMORY?? anyway, i think the following can be considered:

(NE = None-existant)
Original ------ Heartless ----- Nobody ----- Chaser
Xehanort ------ Ansem (died in KH:1 NE) ----- Xemnas (Died in KH2 NE) ----- ??E.S.?? or ??U.E.M.??
Sora ------ The Shadow Hearltess in KH1 NE ---- Roxas (Formed back with sora) ----- ??B.H.S.??
Kairi ------ Hearltess never created NE ----- Namine (Formed back with Kairi) ----- ??F.S.??

This isnt anything I'm claiming but please elaborate...

Another thing Xemnas's Knight Armor is alot more padded and seems 'muscular' and has a crown horns on it... just thowing that out there...

I dont thing the reason Percetion said Ansem was able to open the door to darkness was true... After all he opened the door to darness with the princesses of heart, as was stated in KH, though there might have been extra help not stated...

RANDOM DISCOVERY:: I noticed something pretty wierd... When someone losses their heart to darkness their HEART turns into a HEARTLESS and their BODY turns into a NOBODY... you think itd be the other way around? or maby it's like that to show the Absence of the orginal like It's no longer the Former Body there for it's a NOBODY and vise versa... pretty wierd i dunno. you can just ignroe this

PLEASE ELABORATE!