Nobodies with Emotions

[Einon SAMA]

I love that post and I almost agree with what you are saying. But I never said that becoming whole was their ONLY goal. Just the main. Axel grew attached to Roxas. Maybe because he like'd his character, or maybe cause he was still connected to his heart. Who knows? Axel's only pleasure was Roxas, and since Roxas was no more, the only thing he could do was help Sora. Axel didn't see the need to live on. Sure he may have seemed sad, but did he TRULY feel it? You cant make a character without them seeming genuine. He HAD to seem genuine. But he knew that what he felt wasn't the real thing. Thats another part that is sad about Axel's story. Wouldn't you agree?

BTW. Xemnas DID show emotion. Anger and Rage. He didn't show sadness or regret, but he showed emotions. The only emotions he remembered. Tis the same with all of the other Nobodie's.

[Americo]

I get what you mean I just find it hard to believe they lack real emotions when Axel acted the way he did.

[Dogenzaka]

Emotions =/= heart. I agree with MyInnerFred.

Not having a heart doesn't necessarily mean you can't experience emotions, false or not. It never said that in the whole series, especially since Roxas had a lot of strange emotions finding out who he was.

[Einon SAMA]

Dogenzaka, you cannot compare Roxas with the other Nobody. Not fair. He just in fact MAY have a heart. He was special and you know that. I will argue, and its only a theory, that since Axel was so close to Roxas who, had another side walkin about, perhaps Axel really DID feel those emotions. But other than that...I don't think so.

[Athletics Legend]

roxas has emotions....so did axel..he missed roxas....

[Einon SAMA]

Originally Posted by Sora Blade 16

roxas has emotions....so did axel..he missed roxas....

But can you prove that Axel REALLY felt those emotions? Sure he said that, but we were warned that Nobody's dont feel. In the world of Kingdom Hearts, thats what it means to not have a heart. To not be able to feel anything. Nobodies remember the feelings they had when they were whole, and long for them again. But while they are away from there hearts, do they TRULY feel those feelings? If so, then why be whole in the first place? Its much like the curse the pirates had on PotC. They couldn't be satisfied. I think thats how it was for the nobodies, save for Namine and Roxas. Axel...eh. Think what you want, but he was just another nobody, regardless of his ations. IMO.

[Americo]

Originally Posted by einon_san

But can you prove that Axel REALLY felt those emotions? Sure he said that, but we were warned that Nobody's dont feel. In the world of Kingdom Hearts, thats what it means to not have a heart. To not be able to feel anything. Nobodies remember the feelings they had when they were whole, and long for them again. But while they are away from there hearts, do they TRULY feel those feelings? If so, then why be whole in the first place? Its much like the curse the pirates had on PotC. They couldn't be satisfied. I think thats how it was for the nobodies, save for Namine and Roxas. Axel...eh. Think what you want, but he was just another nobody, regardless of his ations. IMO.

I could say the same to you. Could you prove he DIDN'T feel them? I believe the point of being whole is that you just aren't complete. They seemed to act no differently from normal humans and IF they did lack emotions and only knew of them, they would have no reason to want to become human. I understand that they know what it was like to feel those emotions, but that still doesn't mean they can't feel them. It's stupid to believe that. Why would they WANT to act on those emotions they can't feel? There would be no logical reason. Axel didn't know Roxas before he became a Nobody, that means the friendship they built up was all new to him. How could someone with no emotions build up a friendship with someone to the point that they would kill themselves for him? There are a few quotes which show some kind of emotion.

Axel: You get on their bad side and they'll destroy you!
Roxas: No one would miss me.
Axel: That's not true... I would.

Another one of Axel's moments where he shows some kind of compasion.

Axel: We've got something in common, Kairi. You and I both miss someone we care about. Hey, I feel like we're friends already.

Another one. My point is simple. How could Axel build up loving feelings for someone he didn't know when he was human? How could he care for Roxas if he never knew him, if he never built up feelings for him when he could have them. Sure he could act on emotions he felt before but he's never felt those things for Roxas, so they would have to be new would they not? Axel also tells Sora he is sorry that he let Kairi get taken by Saix and even gets scared when Saix yells out his name.

[Einon SAMA]

Most of that is logical. Really, most of what you said, but we are going in circle. What you argue is logical, but I really thing all that contradicts what being a nobody is. Again, regardless of what Axel said and did.

Yes they SEEM like anyother person, but that just how they seem. Axel did develope a relationship with Roxas. Maybe on some level those feelings were genuine and real, because Roxas has a heart. IDK. I dont think so though, thats my opinon. You have yours. Im not calling you wrong, I'm just disagreeing with you.

But I will say this. The most meaningful line by Axel was, "..Roxas was the only one I liked. He made me feel like I had a heart. You make me feel..."

I say Axel did not want Roxas to leave because he didn't want to lose that feeling. He didn't want the Organization to destroy what makes him feel like he has a heart. I think thats a simple explanation.

[rpgangel]

Originally Posted by einon_san

Most of that is logical. Really, most of what you said, but we are going in circle. What you argue is logical, but I really thing all that contradicts what being a nobody is. Again, regardless of what Axel said and did.

Yes they SEEM like anyother person, but that just how they seem. Axel did develope a relationship with Roxas. Maybe on some level those feelings were genuine and real, because Roxas has a heart. IDK. I dont think so though, thats my opinon. You have yours. Im not calling you wrong, I'm just disagreeing with you.

But I will say this. The most meaningful line by Axel was, "..Roxas was the only one I liked. He made me feel like I had a heart. You make me feel..."

I say Axel did not want Roxas to leave because he didn't want to lose that feeling. He didn't want the Organization to destroy what makes him feel like he has a heart. I think thats a simple explanation.

that's what i was gonna say! XD

do people need hearts to have emotions, though? o.O even though they're nobodies...i believe they can 'feel' cuz of their personalities and such.

[Einon SAMA]

do people need hearts to have emotions, though? o.O even though they're nobodies...i believe they can 'feel' cuz of their personalities and such.

To show emotions and to feel them is completely different.
Xemnas: I understand though. Unlike me you have a heart, and are powerless to control it.

You feel things with a heart. You are empty without it, like a shell. Would you not agree? Yen Sid said that they may seem to so feelings blah blah but its all a ruse, and not to be fooled.

Sora basically solved it all when it said, "You're Nobody, you don't even exist." Neither do their true feelings exist.

[rpgangel]

Originally Posted by einon_san

To show emotions and to feel them is completely different.
Xemnas: I understand though. Unlike me you have a heart, and are powerless to control it.

You feel things with a heart. You are empty without it, like a shell. Would you not agree? Yen Sid said that they may seem to so feelings blah blah but its all a ruse, and not to be fooled.

Sora basically solved it all when it said, "You're Nobody, you don't even exist." Neither do their true feelings exist.

TT i still think its sad, though...

wait, how can they not exist if they're there?

[Einon SAMA]

wait, how can they not exist if they're there?

Axel once said to Vexen, " We're Nobodies, Vexen. We've got no one to be, but we still ARE."

Them having "no one to be" is the reason why they don't truly exist. Do you follow?

[rpgangel]

Originally Posted by einon_san

Axel once said to Vexen, " We're Nobodies, Vexen. We've got no one to be, but we still ARE."

Them having "no one to be" is the reason why they don't truly exist. Do you follow?

alright, i gotcha.

still feel bad for them.

but gotcha.

[Dogenzaka]

Dogenzaka, you cannot compare Roxas with the other Nobody. Not fair. He just in fact MAY have a heart. He was special and you know that. I will argue, and its only a theory, that since Axel was so close to Roxas who, had another side walkin about, perhaps Axel really DID feel those emotions. But other than that...I don't think so.

He didn't have a heart -.- he was a nobody. Axel felt emotion too.

Oh and RPGAngel, fan art is not allowed in signatures unless you have permission from the creator =/

[ultamaSora]

Originally Posted by Dogenzaka

He didn't have a heart -.- he was a nobody. Axel felt emotion too.

Oh and RPGAngel, fan art is not allowed in signatures unless you have permission from the creator =/

Theres a debate weather or not he has a heart. If you would have looked page a page or 2 you would have seen the summery of a trailer that was at TGS and this is part of it:

- On top of the Twilight Town Clocktower:
- Roxas (with seasalt ice cream) walks out to the ledge and sits down
Axel: So you've finally awakened. (Axel appears)
Roxas: Axel...
Axel: No... It might not have been related to your sleep.
Roxas: I'm returning to my original form...
Axel: I've been thinking for a while. Namine has been saying it too. Roxas, maybe you do have a heart.
*holds icecream in one hand*
Roxas: I'm not really sure about that myself...
Roxas: Sora will find the answer.

This was found on http://kh2.co.uk/index.php?start_fro...ubaction=&id=&this page of KHU. This shows that Roxas may acctually have a heart. And who knows, maybe a person with a heart who spends time with a Nobody could have an affect on the Nobody. Creating fake emotions or maybe even real ones.