Nobodies with Emotions

[Theory Master]

Originally Posted by ultamaSora

Well, I think one reason that Roxas has emotions is because he may have a heart. In one of the early scans for FM+ was a pic of Roxas and Axel on the Clock Tower and Axel saying something like "Namine and I have been thinking...Roxas maybe you do have a heart". That might explain why he has emotions.

wait can u give me the url of that pic?

n e wy! yen sid told us that they only pretended to feel emotions

axel confesses that he doesnt have a heart

demix acts like a p*ssy when he is being called out so he acted the same when his weapon disappeared

and u might remember xaldin screaming his head off when defeted right?
well he confesses to sora that he and the rest of Org. 13 was interested in kh so that they "may exist fully and completely "

[Einon SAMA]

Originally Posted by .:Mega:.

But if they had NO emotion, they wouldn't care about being incomplete. They would just be all "Blah".

~Mega

We aren't arguing the fact that they showed emotions. We KNOW they did. Yen Sid said they would, and the did. But we are discussing whether or not if those emotions were TRUE.

That doesn't change the fact that all the Organization Members, at some point, showed a form of emotion. You can't have emotionless characters, completely emotionless that is. It's impossible. They would be the most uninteresting villains ever... Not caring if they win or what happens... They would just slump around.

Do Heartless have emotions? Who knows, but they have a goal. Just like the Nobodies. Its not that they cared about being whole, but it was there purpose. Not just the Organization, but even the lesser Nobody.

[ultamaSora]

Originally Posted by mc-eddy

wait can u give me the url of that pic?

n e wy! yen sid told us that they only pretended to feel emotions

axel confesses that he doesnt have a heart

demix acts like a p*ssy when he is being called out so he acted the same when his weapon disappeared

and u might remember xaldin screaming his head off when defeted right?
well he confesses to sora that he and the rest of Org. 13 was interested in kh so that they "may exist fully and completely "

i thought there was a Pic but instead it was a trailer summery here is the full summery if you missed it:

PARTIAL TRAILER SUMMARY:
~*~Sanctuary plays in the background~*~
- You see the letters S-O-R-A whoosh around Roxas and form R-O-X-A-S.
Roxas: Roxas...
Xemnas: This is your new name.
- ??? Organization Member: This brat is way to young to be wielding the keyblade! Ladies and gentlemen the Keyblade master is begining to awaken once again. We must be sure to block his path.

- Roxas (black coat and dual wielding) versus Riku (black coat and blindfolded) in The World That Never Was:
Roxas: I am me!
Roxas attacks Riku and knocks him down.
Riku: No matter how many times we do this the outcome is already decided!
Riku: Looks like I must resort to this...
Roxas: What?
Riku: The power that resides in my heart... the power that I surpressed within my heart... even if I will no longer be me!
Riku is englufed with darkness.

- Axel, Namine, and "Rikunort" are at the Sunset hill in Twilight Town.

Axel: You have nowhere to go to, right? Of course you have nowhere to return to either.
Namine: I might not have anywhere I can go to but I do have a place I wish to go to. There are people I want to meet.
Namine looks at her sketch of Roxas and Sora.

- On top of the Twilight Town Clocktower:
- Roxas (with seasalt ice cream) walks out to the ledge and sits down
Axel: So you've finally awakened. (Axel appears)
Roxas: Axel...
Axel: No... It might not have been related to your sleep.
Roxas: I'm returning to my original form...
Axel: I've been thinking for a while. Namine has been saying it too. Roxas, maybe you do have a heart.
*holds icecream in one hand*
Roxas: I'm not really sure about that myself...
Roxas: Sora will find the answer.

[Americo]

Originally Posted by einon_san

We aren't arguing the fact that they showed emotions. We KNOW they did. Yen Sid said they would, and the did. But we are discussing whether or not if those emotions were TRUE.

Do Heartless have emotions? Who knows, but they have a goal. Just like the Nobodies. Its not that they cared about being whole, but it was there purpose. Not just the Organization, but even the lesser Nobody.

I believe KILLING ones self to another is an act of a true emotion. Despite the others, Axel's words and his general attitude towards Roxas SHOWS there is love. I'm not talking that "OMG AXEL AND ROXAS HAVE BUTTSEXS! KAWII!" kind of love, I mean the love between two great friends. Axel KILLED himself, to make sure that Roxas could live on, even though Roxas was already "dead" and merged with Sora. That didn't matter to Axel since Roxas was part of Sora and he wouldn't let that die.

The Organization may have acted according to some pre-set plan they had but Xenmas had to recruit them. He gathered them together and "motivated" them into thinking they would become human again. They were acting off of the emotion that they wanted to be real again...

[Einon SAMA]

The Organization may have acted according to some pre-set plan they had but Xenmas had to recruit them. He gathered them together and "motivated" them into thinking they would become human again. They were acting off of the emotion that they wanted to be real again...

What you are saying is that any form of conciousness requires emotions. The Organization recruits recognized Xemnas' power, granting him the respect he got, and joined because it was already what they were trying to do. If you become a Nobody, I'd say its logical to think that number one on your to do list would be to become whole. Its like an urge, and you'd do anything to do it. If you don't have a heart, then there is no emotions. Yes yes, Axel died for his friend, but he didn't feel a thing. He died for Sora because he told Sora that ," You make me feel....the same way." But he didn't actually FEEL it. It was the next best thing.

[Theory Master]

Originally Posted by ultamaSora

i thought there was a Pic but instead it was a trailer summery here is the full summery if you missed it:

damn...where did y get that?

[ultamaSora]

Originally Posted by mc-eddy

damn...where did y get that?

Kh2.co.uk its on like page 4 or 5.

[Theory Master]

Originally Posted by ultamaSora

Kh2.co.uk its on like page 4 or 5.

the summary is not there.. only some 411 on the scans

[ultamaSora]

http://kh2.co.uk/index.php?start_fro...ubaction=&id=&
It's on this page. It also has pics from TGS in case you missed that too

[pwn3d]

I agree with einon san. The things that have been said about nobodies(by themselves and by wise men) is that they don't have emotions, but want to, and try to act like they do. The reasons they want hearts is because they want more than just remember the feeling and acting like they have emotions, they want to be whole and have emotions to call their very own.

[Theory Master]

Originally Posted by ultamaSora

http://kh2.co.uk/index.php?start_fro...ubaction=&id=&
It's on this page. It also has pics from TGS in case you missed that too

thnx i thought it said page 3 or 4 but i didnt pay much attention to that 5!


EDITED
so in reality the ppl there did not recorded the trailer? thats sad

[ultamaSora]

They weren't allowed to record it. They took all video recorders. So we go to live with the descriptions. But I hope we can record if they show a new one.

On-Topic: I too agree with einon san. They want there hearts so that means they want their emotions. So to substitute(i guess you could say) for the empty feeling they act like they have to maybe both fool people and to fill the empty void in them.

[Theory Master]

Originally Posted by ultamaSora

They weren't allowed to record it. They took all video recorders. So we go to live with the descriptions. But I hope we can record if they show a new one.

On-Topic: I too agree with einon san. They want there hearts so that means they want their emotions. So to substitute(i guess you could say) for the empty feeling they act like they have to maybe both fool people and to fill the empty void in them.

the only 1 that dont show emotion at all was Xemnas... Xaldin kinda left out a good scream @ the end so that made him "sensible" lol

[Einon SAMA]

Theres a difference twixt showing emotions and actually having emotions.

[Americo]

Originally Posted by einon_san

What you are saying is that any form of conciousness requires emotions. The Organization recruits recognized Xemnas' power, granting him the respect he got, and joined because it was already what they were trying to do. If you become a Nobody, I'd say its logical to think that number one on your to do list would be to become whole. Its like an urge, and you'd do anything to do it. If you don't have a heart, then there is no emotions. Yes yes, Axel died for his friend, but he didn't feel a thing. He died for Sora because he told Sora that ," You make me feel....the same way." But he didn't actually FEEL it. It was the next best thing.

See this is where the game gets stupid, stating that organisms can exist with out hearts and the such... See Axel would have to have FELT the emotion to kill himself, why else would he? If he didn't FEEL compassion for Sora and Roxas why would he do it? He would have no urge to do it.

You're saying that nobodies function on the basic needs, like to become complete. If Axel had no real emotions he would have no reason to feel guilt about "trying" to take out Roxas. He wouldn't hesitate at all.

Axel is fueled by so many emotions during KH2 there is NO logical reason for him to defect, to try and help Roxas and to even kill himself, especially if he only wanted to become whole and that was his only goal. I understand what Nomura "wanted" to say but it fails. Xenmas is the only one that SEEMS to have a lack of emotion, all the others are quite different. COM even shows this too, with how the members treat each other.