Theory on the Nobody creation process...

[JustSnilloc]

Okay, so this consists of a couple different theories, that contribute to a bigger one so bear with me (Also, since my previous theory was criticized for "over reaching" I'm seeing if this makes any more since)

First off, The Heart
Within the Kingdom Hearts universe there exist three things that make up any being
1) A Heart
2) A Body
3) A Soul

- things that we know about the heart is that it can exist without a body, it contains the capacity for emotion, etc...
- things that we know about the body is that without the soul it will die, that it usually harbors a heart, etc..
- things that we know about the soul is that it is the body's "battery", and that's about it

My first theory is this, that everything about a being exists within the heart, the mind, the emotions, the personality, the will to live, memories, so on and etc, also strength of heart and strength of will go hand in hand.

Each of these can be proved by the fact that Sora existed as a walking heart with a PPS (projected physical shell) how?
1) Sora was able to think
2) Sora had emotions
3) Sora acted like Sora
4) Sora was alive (his heart obviously had a will to live)
5) Sora had his memories
6) Sora was all Sora, every bit of him existed within his heart so not much changed when he became a walking heart

make since? kay, on to second part Bodies by themselves essentially have no ownership

Much shorter, alright so basically bodies by themselves essentially have no ownership... I already said that, huh? Well let's look at those who became Nobodies, not the one's in the organization, but the standard kind... Ask yourself, do those creatures in anyway represent the somebody they used to be? Short answer: No. Long Answer: The bodies and souls that the somebody previously possessed certainly had traits of that somebody, but once the heart left so did all of the characteristics of that person, the heart only passed on one thing - which will be discussed on the next part

Strong Hearts are capable of leaving "imprints" on the body/soul
kay, so now we're into the meat of the theory

When a normal heart is separated from the body, and the body falls into darkness the heart is incapable of "imprinting" anything upon the body. Therefore the body/soul isn't passed on the most basic instinct within the heart; the will to live
- This means that a Nobody isn't produced

When a strong heart is separated from the body, and the body falls into darkness, the power emitted from the heart "imprints" the will to live upon the body/soul before it falls into darkness... (see image below)
- This means that a "normal" nobody is produced

("Sora" is just an example for this diagram)

And finally, when an exceptionally strong heart is separated from the body, everything contained in the heart is "imprinted" upon the nobody, everything (*note that since the heart holds the capacity to have emotion, these types of Nobodies will only remember what it was like to have emotion, and will not actually be able to possess it)
- This creates Organization type Nobodies (not that all of these "join" the organization)


... and for a side dish - Hearts can leave imprints on others
Specifically Strong hearts, but anyway...

Two particularly influencial hearts are Xehanort's, and Ansem's. Those who had strong connections to Xehanort tended to exibit his yellow eyes, and pointy ears... While Ansem's influence on Terranort gave him Ansem's Amber/Orange eyes...

This all goes back to the fact that bodies inherently have no owner, and whatever the heart influences the body, the body will act accordingly

Hearts connect with each other in the universe of Kingdom Hearts, and when hearts connect to those such as Xehanort's (with his exceptionally strong heart), Xehanort's heart (for example) will imprint upon others "traits of Xehanort"

this part is given partial credibility by Nomura himself, who said in an interview...

-- Comparing the Organization members when they were human to when they were in the Organization, apart from Xehanort, only Isa and Braig have differently-shaped ears and differently-coloured eyes - why is this?

Nomura: It's a question of whether or not they're deeply connected to Xehanort. In Braig's case, comparing the scene where he's injured in his battle with Terra and flares up at Xehanort, his appearance afterwards changes, which hints that something happened with Xehanort in between.

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So that's basically it, what do you guys think of it?

[Genocide]

The strength of the heart determines whether there is a nobody.
I have a thery like this called "Analysis of a heart" in which I do a breakdown of a heart; basic rundon, purpose, uses, etc.
I'm not plugging, but I thik you should read it. It is quite the interesting read.

[Eraser Rain]

Bodies are connected with their respective hearts, though. When a weaker heart becomes a heartless, the body doesn't fall to darkness; rather, it goes somewhere unknown and waits to be reunited with its heart.

Everything else though, specifically the Xehanort connections, I can mostly agree with.

[Sephiroth0812]

Wow, sounds really good I must say.

In actuality I'd like to ask how and when you came to that idea, since I thought of something similar way back in April 2011 when planning my own KH-story, lol.
Namely the strong hearts leaving an "imprint" of the heart on the soul which serves as a container where nobodies can store their own newly made memories. It's one of the crucial points in there.

Seems we think alike a bit in that area...o_0

[Cosmic+Amarna]

So are Dusks the nobodies of people with strong hearts, just not really strong?(like Sora, Organization, etc.)

[Sephiroth0812]

So are Dusks the nobodies of people with strong hearts, just not really strong?(like Sora, Organization, etc.)

Dusks are the nobodies of people with average strong hearts.
Higher nobodies like Berserkers or Dragoons come from people with distinctly strong hearts.
Human-esque nobodies like the Org members come from exceptionally strong hearts.
Special nobodies like Roxas and Xemnas come about when more than one exceptionally strong heart is involved in their birth.

People with normal, average hearts or even weak hearts don't give birth to a nobody at all.

[Grey]

Other than the fact that hearts and bodies do still have ownership over one another even after turning into Heartless and Nobodies (respectively), I agree. It's probably moreso that the darkness overrides that connection of ownership.

Also, I'd wager that the main reason Sora was able to move around freely between KH1 Hollow Bastion and KH2 End of Prologue was because he had a purpose, still--he had to find Riku and the King. If he had no reason to continue existing in the RoL, I feel like his heart would have simply fallen into the RoS or something.

(Unless the real reason his heart was able to roam was because Kairi gave him a vessel, which is another theory that makes sense (not since).)

[JustSnilloc]

Bodies are connected with their respective hearts, though. When a weaker heart becomes a heartless, the body doesn't fall to darkness; rather, it goes somewhere unknown and waits to be reunited with its heart.

Everything else though, specifically the Xehanort connections, I can mostly agree with.

Sweet. I edited the thing to say "essentially no ownership" It's what I meant to say, but I didn't proof read good enough, lol... And while I realize the body doesn't necessarily go into darkness, and it does indeed go somewhere unknown, darkness is just for understanding the concept (you could easily fill in "darkness" to say "somewhere unknown" and get the exact same message across)

Wow, sounds really good I must say.

In actuality I'd like to ask how and when you came to that idea, since I thought of something similar way back in April 2011 when planning my own KH-story, lol.
Namely the strong hearts leaving an "imprint" of the heart on the soul which serves as a container where nobodies can store their own newly made memories. It's one of the crucial points in there.

Seems we think alike a bit in that area...o_0

Yeah... hmm, let's see the theory came to me when I was trying to think of a way to explain Namine and Terra's LS, for them it doesn't fit as perfectly, but when challenged to figure something out this theory is what I came up with

Other than the fact that hearts and bodies do still have ownership over one another even after turning into Heartless and Nobodies (respectively), I agree. It's probably moreso that the darkness overrides that connection of ownership.

Also, I'd wager that the main reason Sora was able to move around freely between KH1 Hollow Bastion and KH2 End of Prologue was because he had a purpose, still--he had to find Riku and the King. If he had no reason to continue existing in the RoL, I feel like his heart would have simply fallen into the RoS or something.

(Unless the real reason his heart was able to roam was because Kairi gave him a vessel, which is another theory that makes sense (not since).)

Bolded part, already answered (dumb mistake on my part)

As for Sora's "vessel", heartless have PPS's that act similar to bodies, and when Kairi cleansed Sora's heart of the darkness, he still had a PPS... I believe the heartless have PPS's made up both the will to live and darkness, whereas Sora had one that was once of the will to live and darkness, however that became one of will to live and Light - It's how I've viewed it anyway

[DropDistance]

As for Sora's "vessel", heartless have PPS's that act similar to bodies, and when Kairi cleansed Sora's heart of the darkness, he still had a PPS... I believe the heartless have PPS's made up both the will to live and darkness, whereas Sora had one that was once of the will to live and darkness, however that became one of will to live and Light - It's how I've viewed it anyway

I think you're right. Take Ansem for example. He had a humanoid PPS as well, probably because his darkness was exceptionally strong, as well as his will to live. Its the same as Sora, only Kairi (being a PoH) took away the darkness, and brought his heart back from the darkness using an exceptional amount of light, thus giving Sora his human PPS.

[Grey]

As for Sora's "vessel", heartless have PPS's that act similar to bodies, and when Kairi cleansed Sora's heart of the darkness, he still had a PPS... I believe the heartless have PPS's made up both the will to live and darkness, whereas Sora had one that was once of the will to live and darkness, however that became one of will to live and Light - It's how I've viewed it anyway

I can agree with that. It makes a lot of sense, anyway.

[JustSnilloc]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Vanitas consisted only of a heart as well right? If so that'd just be another example of a human PPS...

The will to live - as I've said, is the most basic instinct for the heart. We see this constantly, most of the time when the Heartless live on (despite their minds being lost to darkness) - honestly, it's impressive. Even normal people's hearts live on after becoming heartless

Something interesting to note is that when most people's hearts leave their bodies, the bodies disappear/go away... However, we've seen several times that when a Princess of Heart loses her heart, her body stays within the Realm of Light

[Sky Lily]

I absolutely love your theory. It makes things make sense again. :'D

[JustSnilloc]

I absolutely love your theory. It makes things make sense again. :'D

That's awesome ^_^ that's the goal I had in mind when posting this

[Incognito]

you....finally made a theory i like! :D

also

PPS (projected physical shell) how?

i like this acronym.

[ffx_fanatic1405]

you....finally made a theory i like! :D

also

i like this acronym.

Let's hope this doesn't go like the last post we read, lol.