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    Keyblade Wielder KevVentus's Avatar
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    Default Re: UEM and the White Heartless aka Dusks.

    UEM? Ha. BHK says hello

    It doesn't seem to me that MX was aware of Nobodies. He made his plan in a time when even Heartless weren't very well known. I don't see him looking far ahead enough to conceptualize Nobodies. He was more focused on the X-Blade, Kingdom Hearts, Vanitas, yadda yadda

    All he really got out of Nobodies was Xemnas, and he seemed to be more concerned with his own agenda

    I dunno

    What conclusion are you trying to reach here exactly?

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    Default Re: UEM and the White Heartless aka Dusks.

    Quote Originally Posted by KevVentus View Post
    UEM? Ha. BHK says hello

    It doesn't seem to me that MX was aware of Nobodies. He made his plan in a time when even Heartless weren't very well known. I don't see him looking far ahead enough to conceptualize Nobodies. He was more focused on the X-Blade, Kingdom Hearts, Vanitas, yadda yadda

    All he really got out of Nobodies was Xemnas, and he seemed to be more concerned with his own agenda

    I dunno

    What conclusion are you trying to reach here exactly?
    First, MX knew about the heartless, as seen when he summons Neoshadows to get Ven to fight and use the darkness within him. Xehanort is a pretty smart dude, I think he knew about it all, just because it hasn't been shown in the games doesn't mean it's not possible that he could have known. This guy has a plan, and many paths/options, we know that. Everything thus far problem-wise stems back to this a hole, kind of suggesting his involvement even if it may be "unintentional".

    As for Xemnas, you're right, but still, Xemnas was after KH, which is MX is too...I think maybe the conclusion was something like how the majority of all we've encountered thus far has been apart of Xehanort's plan. At least that's how I kinda interpreted it, and I feel that way too, like he had this all planned out


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    Keyblade Wielder KevVentus's Avatar
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    Default Re: UEM and the White Heartless aka Dusks.

    I know he knew about them. That's why I said they when they weren't very well known

    I like to think of KH1 and 2 as less of a part of Xehanort's overall scheme, and more of dangerous consequences of his lust for power. It makes him a better villain. Otherwise if he had planned for them, that would mean he's failed... three times now. Unless.. he planned to fail?

    Xehanort, you sly fox.

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    Default Re: UEM and the White Heartless aka Dusks.

    He clearly had no clue.
    Othewise he would have known about them inthe AR.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pelafina
    He underwent a sudden and catastrophic increase in energy and mass in a small space, reducing his material form to a fine rain of subatomic particles.

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    Default Re: UEM and the White Heartless aka Dusks.

    Quote Originally Posted by KevVentus View Post
    I know he knew about them. That's why I said they when they weren't very well known

    I like to think of KH1 and 2 as less of a part of Xehanort's overall scheme, and more of dangerous consequences of his lust for power. It makes him a better villain. Otherwise if he had planned for them, that would mean he's failed... three times now. Unless.. he planned to fail?

    Xehanort, you sly fox.
    Maybe he did intend on failing, maybe not. Think of it as though AnsemSoD+Xemnas were his experiments, or attempts at achieving his goal without knowing if they'd succeed or not. Yes it can be thought of as less of a part of Xehanort's overall scheme, and more of dangerous consequences of his lust for power, but that doesn't mean he couldn't use them still even if they failed. We see them now in the RoS, hinting that Xehanort still may have use for them. Yes they are dreams, memories, subconscious, etc. but that's the point. Xehanort directly affected Sora and Riku's psyche, permanently imprinting himself in some way unto them. Now they are in the RoS affecting Riku/Sora in some way. Iv'e speculated for awhile that Xehanort knows that Ven is inside Sora's heart. This could make sense then, he's using them in some way to aid his overall goal/scheme that he has setup in the RoS. I think we're going to see Sora maybe get trapped there, maybe he falls to Sleep, and somehow this helps Xehanort achieve his goal(get at Ven so he can try to make the Xblade again) idk.



    Quote Originally Posted by Genocide View Post
    He clearly had no clue.
    Othewise he would have known about them inthe AR.
    Well, yes he didn't write about them and it doesn't appear as if he's all knowing in the AR, but maybe this is because the apprentice Xehanort had amnesia. While the AX knew little or nothing, as we know from his loss of memory, that does not mean that MX may not have known before he stole Terra's body. MX may have knew all of this ish on the heartless, nobodies, dream eaters/nightmares, and whatever else before he stole Terra's body. If he had all this planned out or had an idea of how he like it to go down, he still wanted Terra for the AnsemSoD/Xemnas part, but that doesn't mean just because they failed the mission that they are useless. Idk


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    Default Re: UEM and the White Heartless aka Dusks.

    The memory loss was implied to be a lie.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pelafina
    He underwent a sudden and catastrophic increase in energy and mass in a small space, reducing his material form to a fine rain of subatomic particles.

 

 
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