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Old November 7th, 2009, 01:48 AM   #106
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Master Xehanort said that those who submit to darkness are not qualified to wield the Keyblade.
He doesn't say they are unable to wield it, just that they are not qualified. He could simply be saying that, in his opinion, the Keyblade should only belong to those of the Light. Either that or he's just messing with the head of the person he's conversing with. (I believe it was Terra...?)

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I beg to differ. Darkness affecting keyblading ability is a key point of BbS. And what about Anti Form? Anti Form prevents Sora from using the Keyblade.
And we know it prevents Sora from wielding... how exactly? He doesn't use the Keyblade, that doesn't mean he can't use it, necessarily, unless Nomura stated that explicitly.

I dunno, I think it's entirely possible the Keyblade in question originated with Xehanort's Heartless. Master Xehanort shares a name with Xehanort, and MX is an established Master. I'm about 99% certain that the name similarity is more than a mere coincidence and that MX has some sort of hold on Xehanort of KH1-2 fame. That being said, there's not much to say anything against the fact Xehanort's Heartless could have had the capability of waking up a second Keyblade within Riku in much the same way as
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Xion did within Roxas. Xion, at the time, was no longer using her Keyblade, so that argument would be void.~


Xehanort lost all of his memories. Days showed us that Memories are tied to the Keyblade when
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Xion remembers how to Wield after swinging around Roxas' Keyblade for a day
, so Xehanort forgetting everything, including how to Wield, is entirely possible. There's much more evidence for XH being behind the second Keyblade than there is that Kairi is behind it. Memories of Kairi or, at least, Destiny Islands, were involved in its creation, but I feel that XH would have been the one to allow him access to that second Blade.


Regardless of all of that, Riku allowing Kairi to hold his Keyblade and bop some Shadows does nothing at all to prove that Kairi is a chosen wielder of the Keyblade whatsoever.
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Old November 7th, 2009, 01:59 AM   #107
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He doesn't say they are unable to wield it, just that they are not qualified. He could simply be saying that, in his opinion, the Keyblade should only belong to those of the Light. Either that or he's just messing with the head of the person he's conversing with. (I believe it was Terra...?)
Exactly. There are many interpretations. I always used to compare that quote to how someone could be unqualified for a job yet that person may still hold that job. So submitting to darkness could make someone unqualified to wield the Keyblade yet that person may still wield the Keyblade.

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Xehanort lost all of his memories. Days showed us that Memories are tied to the Keyblade when
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Xion remembers how to Wield after swinging around Roxas' Keyblade for a day
Well Xion's Keyblade was an imitation of a Keyblade so it's not the best example. However, I see your point about the relation between the Keyblade and memories.
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Old November 7th, 2009, 02:08 AM   #108
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About Xion's Keyblade.
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Xion didn't really 'remember' how to Wield, Iggy. Her and Roxas were sharing their power. Once Sora woke up from his coma, he "ate up" quite a bit of power, making for Xion to lose the ability to wield. Once he let her use the Keyblade, they reached balance in power and hence, both could once again wield at the same time. The opposite situation is approaching when Xion is absorbing too much from Roxas. You can't say he was forgetting how to wield at the time though, now can you? Because the Memories of wielding, for those two, don't really matter. Roxas wielded the KK without Memories, and Xion simply copied that ability.


As for the Memories to Keyblades relations, if you want to take the novels' version for it, it described the second Keyblade's appearance in Riku's hand as a long buried Memory resurfacing. Also, seeing in relation to Roxas how
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What Xion gave him wasn't her Keyblade but Memories
I think we can reach a nice, dandy conclusion c:
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Old November 7th, 2009, 02:42 AM   #109
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but Kairi used that keyblade in Dead Fantasy D: Then its turned into Oblivion and Oathkeeper
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Old November 7th, 2009, 02:45 AM   #110
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She also fights in Dead Fantasy, so, lol
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Old November 7th, 2009, 03:49 AM   #111
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but Kairi used that keyblade in Dead Fantasy D: Then its turned into Oblivion and Oathkeeper
As if that's canon. Dead Fantasy is to Kingdom Hearts as Super Mario Bros. is to Pokemon, or any other series it's involved in. They just use the characters.

Going by that logic, Kairi also has Drive Forms.
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Old November 7th, 2009, 04:40 AM   #112
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As if that's canon. Dead Fantasy is to Kingdom Hearts as Super Mario Bros. is to Pokemon, or any other series it's involved in. They just use the characters.
There's Pokemon characters in Super Mario Bros...? o_o;

Also, Monty Oum is just an outrageously over-hyped pervert. >_>;

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About Xion's Keyblade.
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Xion didn't really 'remember' how to Wield, Iggy. Her and Roxas were sharing their power. Once Sora woke up from his coma, he "ate up" quite a bit of power, making for Xion to lose the ability to wield. Once he let her use the Keyblade, they reached balance in power and hence, both could once again wield at the same time. The opposite situation is approaching when Xion is absorbing too much from Roxas. You can't say he was forgetting how to wield at the time though, now can you? Because the Memories of wielding, for those two, don't really matter. Roxas wielded the KK without Memories, and Xion simply copied that ability.
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Roxas*

Oh, blah. I remembered something of Roxas mentioning remembering/forgetting it or something, so I just figured... D: But yeah, that's the way it went down. Gotta remember Roxas' words are as good as garbage in terms of developing major universe mechanics. xD Doubtful he knows much about it all.

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As for the Memories to Keyblades relations, if you want to take the novels' version for it, it described the second Keyblade's appearance in Riku's hand as a long buried Memory resurfacing. Also, seeing in relation to Roxas how
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What Xion gave him wasn't her Keyblade but Memories
I think we can reach a nice, dandy conclusion c:
Yush. I like this conclusion.

Oh, and... Maybe it's been too long since I played KH2, but what/when was Xemnas' call to the Wielders? O-o Did Mickey answer it?
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Old November 7th, 2009, 05:01 AM   #113
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kairi isnt and will never be a wielder >.>
end of story
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Old November 7th, 2009, 05:28 AM   #114
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Yuuki shut up!

see ur not only one who can make a useless post.
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Old November 7th, 2009, 05:43 AM   #115
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see ur not only one who can make a useless post.
wow kid chill out.
i can say whatever i want whether you agree with it or not.
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Why didn't the keyblade return to Riku as soon as she held it?
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Why didn't the keyblade return to Riku as soon as she held it?
he let her use it. just like roxas let riku use the keyblade when they fight in TWTNW
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he let her use it. just like roxas let riku use the keyblade when they fight in TWTNW
But that's because he was a keyblade user.
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But that's because he was a keyblade user.
no, when they fight roxas didnt know riku was a wielder, and just because his a wielder doesnt mean he can use any keyblade.
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no, when they fight roxas didnt know riku was a wielder, and just because his a wielder doesnt mean he can use any keyblade.
Yes it does. He used Sora's.
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