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Old November 5th, 2009, 03:02 AM   #1
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jaaf's thread got me thinking of some LX/Xemnas connections, and I've got an idea:

LS is the combination of Xehanort's/Terra's Heart, Body, and Soul.

To make it more clear, Xehanort is Terra with everything, including strong memories, and MX's darkness.

First clue that's not so strong: LS's fight is accessible after defeating Xemnas. Xemnas regrouped with Xehanort's heart. Coincidence? Maybe not. While the actual fight isn't canon, LS may very well be.

Now lemme write down some ideas:

MX is a single heart, Vanitas is Ven's darkness
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Xehanort = No Heart
No Heart = Hearless
Heartless = The heart
Xehanort = The heart

XH was a heart that could control the darkness within him. I'll be damned if MX can't do the same.

Vanitas. I'm thinking MX is stealing all of Ven's negative memories. when the memories enter the heart known as MX they produce darkness. The darkness is given form through Ven's memories, which are dettachable. MX obviously has something of Ven's, Ven and Vanitas have keyblades of gears, and there's a confirmed connection between the two.



Controlled Darkness/Light determines one's appearance, memories create auras
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The most obvious case here is Riku with XH's darkness. However, it could go even further; XH may have MX's clothes because he can control MX's darkness.

Let's start with a diagram (Rush job, I'll fix it tonight):



Memories create Aura
Weapons of Org.XIII seem to be based off of their weapons as somebodies. They manifest their weapons by controlling the aura from their memories.

Memories create knowledge
No shit.

Memories create look
Org. XIII's normal members look as identical to their somebodies as Roxas does to Ven.

Aura creates nobody armor
Xion manifested her armor based on the aura created from Sora's memories. Xemnas manifested his armor based on the aura created from his memories of Org. XIII and Terra's memories of MX.

Now, if one can control the darkness within their heart, they can make that darkness create effects only memories could create.

When Riku submersed himself into darkness to defeat Roxas, the darkness was a sample of controlled darkness from XH's heart, so Ansem-Riku looked as similar to XH as Dilin looks to Xaldin. There's a difference, specifically the V-thing in the hairstyles:
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A somebody's looks is determined by their light-mimicked memories, since light is seemingly easy to control as a normal person. If one has both light and dark mimicked memories, the stronger of the two'll influence appearance more. Also, Riku doesn't absorb XH's fake memories into himself because they're just fake.





1. Terra's heart + MX's darkness + Terra's dark memories (locked) + Terra's body/soul = Xehanort
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MX attempts to barge into Terra's heart just like XH went into Riku's heart. Terra kicks him out, but MX's remnant darkness defeats Terra. Terra's memories are locked, MX'll act as Xehanort's subconscience, and his darkness'll effect Terra's look. Terra's memories still produce darkness, though.

When XH comes around, Xehanort's memories give him his physique, and the darkness from MX gives him the suit. Guardian is the result of Terra's memories just as XH is a result of Xehanort's anger. Kingdom Hearts purifies Terra's heart of all darkness, and it floats off to the mysterious realm.

Xemnas. He was created from Xehanort's memories, so that's what strings him to reality. As a nobody though, he also takes in Terra's strong memories. Xehanort's memories + Terra's memories = hybrid look. When Xemnas is defeated, his strong memories get torn away from the body + soul, but not Terra's memories, since the former was the one thing that strung Xemnas to reality. What about Roxas? It was Sora's strong memories that created the nobody; so long as those exist, Roxas exists.


2. Element + Body structure = Armor Variant
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Not much to go by here, since this is just speculation...

Riku's Darness Suit = Darkness enveloping his body
VAT's light armor = Light enveloping their bodies
DS = ?...but he could be composed of darkness, and he obviously has a body structure
Xemnas/Xion = Element of nothingness (from memories) enveloping his/her body structure
LS = Light from his heart enveloping his body


There ya go. LS would get his light armor from the light in his heart, and Terra's memories came with the body+soul.


Now what about Scientist Xehanort?

His memories are now both floating in CO for future use. Yes, I said both. When Xehanort became a "heartless," his memory split, with his strong ones going into Xemnas. Certainly would explain why Xemnas could only remember anger/hatred and AtW (XH could've just not mentioned him, but completely forgetting him is also possible).

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Old November 5th, 2009, 03:47 AM   #2
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LS is the combination of Xehanort's Heart, Body, and Soul

Heart+Body+Soul=person. Your saying that LS is Xehanort's whole being.
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Old November 5th, 2009, 03:52 AM   #3
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LS is the combination of Xehanort's Heart, Body, and Soul

Heart+Body+Soul=person. Your saying that LS is Xehanort's whole being.
Yup.
I explained why he doesn't have Xehanort's memories, if that's what your implying.
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Old November 5th, 2009, 04:02 AM   #4
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What keeps nobodies strung to reality? Strong memories. Rip the two apart, and the memories will flow to CO (as well as XH's memories
When was it said that memories go to CO? It may have been, and I just don't remember it, so an ansem report or a quote would be nice.
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Old November 5th, 2009, 04:03 AM   #5
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I do like this theory. I have wondered what LS is because he must have some truth to him.

He is also coloured differently to the BBS traier which wouldnt make sense if it wasnt cannon, why not keep him normal colours if he means nothing.
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Old November 5th, 2009, 04:07 AM   #6
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When was it said that memories go to CO? It may have been, and I just don't remember it, so an ansem report or a quote would be nice.
Forgot to mention, another one of my assumptions...:/

Though it'd make sense; memories casted aside turn into oblivion.
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Forgot to mention, another one of my assumptions...:/

Though it'd make sense; memories casted aside turn into oblivion.
IMO, it would make more sense for them to go to the realm of nothingness, rather than one building. interesting thought though. We really don't know the origins of CO or what it was made for at all. Maybe BBS will enlighten that subject. As for the rest of the theory, It certainly makes sense, more so than the majority of the other LS theories out there (Terra's Unverse, etc.)
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LS is the combination of Xehanort's Heart, Body, and Soul

Heart+Body+Soul=person. Your saying that LS is Xehanort's whole being.

What the fuck?

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mx neeeds terra body cause he is old
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mx neeeds terra body cause he is old
yup he's definately old when he was kicking their asses in kh2fm secret ending without even trying. good job.
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Did some massive editing; it's still not done, but I'd like to gain some CnC while I'm gone.
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I would like to ask one simple question. How could Master Xehanort take over Terra when he is a person and has his body? Unlike Xehanort's heartless he has a body so how can a regular(regular for a keyblade master) take over someones body?

And don't say to be younger becuase his body seems more than capable due to the fact he can crush someones helmet, fight off someone much younger with a keyblade 3/4 his size with an equally sized keyblade, teloport and win all with one hand behind his back? If I was him I'll keep my own body.
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I would like to ask one simple question. How could Master Xehanort take over Terra when he is a person and has his body? Unlike Xehanort's heartless he has a body so how can a regular(regular for a keyblade master) take over someones body?

And don't say to be younger becuase his body seems more than capable due to the fact he can crush someones helmet, fight off someone much younger with a keyblade 3/4 his size with an equally sized keyblade, teloport and win all with one hand behind his back? If I was him I'll keep my own body.
I forgot something; I'm also hypothesizing that MX is a single heart.

Xehanort = No Heart
No Heart = Hearless
Heartless = The heart
Xehanort = The heart

and then there's the barrage of XH-MX similarities.

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I thought I knew alot about KH but after reading all this I realize i barely knoww anything.
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The only reason I like this is because it would go along the pattern of the secret boss being the boss of the next game,
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