why a keyblade wielders nobody can wield the keyblade..?

[djam2410]

i didnt know how to properly entitle this..but im goinh to try and explain.



Lots of people are trying to pin down org members as terra's nobody and the main fault with most of the theories is that, if roxas could wield the keyblade as sora's nobody, then so would xemnas or saix or whoever else was mentioned..;

well maybe being able to wield the keyblade as a nobody has to deal directly with the condition of the heart if the somebody; mayne roxas was able to wield the keyblade because his somebody (sora) was still in control of his heart;

a heart is the key to wielding the keyblade, so if one of the org members is in fact a nobody of a keyblade wielder, they cant wield the keyblade because their hearts arent in their somebody and living?

roxas could wield the keyblade because sora still had his heart and hadnt lost it to darkness..which could relate to Master Xehanort's saying of those submitting to darkness arent qualified to wield the keyblade..; their hearts werent with their somebody, and in effect, left their nobodies without the ability to wield the keyblade..

make sense? (i suck at explaining, got roasted in my last thread :x)

[Saix's bane]

Originally Posted by djam2410

well maybe being able to wield the keyblade as a nobody has to deal directly with the condition of the heart if the somebody; mayne roxas was able to wield the keyblade because his somebody (sora) was still in control of his heart

That's the mainstream theory going around about that part. That is, that Roxas could only wield a Keyblade, a weapon who choses it's wielder based on the strength of their heart, because Sora still had his heart. Well, since we only know of Roxas as being the only Nobody connected to a somebody that pretty much rules out any other Organization member wielding a Keyblade if that theory is true.

[djam2410]

i know; but alot of people are trying to cut down on people who state that terra's nobody (if he has one) h
HAS to wield a keyblade just because roxas does

[Key of Valor]

Originally Posted by djam2410

well maybe being able to wield the keyblade as a nobody has to deal directly with the condition of the heart if the somebody; mayne roxas was able to wield the keyblade because his somebody (sora) was still in control of his heart;

But Xehanort still controlled his heart as well.

I personally think Roxas could wield a Keyblade because Roxas might have had a heart of his own.

Nomura said you need a heart to wield a genuine Keyblade...
And Roxas wields a genuine Keyblade so...

[Yuuki]

I personally think Roxas could wield a Keyblade because Roxas might have had a heart of his own.

if roxas had a heart the he was somebody am i wrong?
because a nobody is someone with no heart so he must be a somebody

[Key of Valor]

Originally Posted by Yuuki

if roxas had a heart the he was somebody am i wrong?
because a nobody is someone with no heart so he must be a somebody

A typical Nobody is a being composed of a body and soul but lacks a heart.

Roxas was a special nobody though, which means he could possess unique qualities that separate him from being of a normal Nobody existence. KH'Days made it clear how loosely the term "special nobody" could be applied to identify the existence of certain beings. Even Riku compares himself to Nobodies in one instance, even though Riku has a heart.

Generally, qualities of a Nobody includes non-existence, non-identity, and inability to adequately feel emotions. Nobodies are essentially empty beings. Even with a heart though, given the conditions are right, Roxas' existence could correspond with these qualities of a Nobody.

[Saix's bane]

Originally Posted by Key of Valor

But Xehanort still controlled his heart as well.

When was this? In KH1 you fought Xehanort's heartless and in 2 you fought his Nobody. Until Sora destroyed Mansex the heart Xehanort's heartless contained just went to Kingdom Hearts.

[djam2410]

yeah xehanort didnt control his heart,

because he lost it in darkness as stated by AtW in the reports.. (wait were those the ones xehanort wrote?)

but regardless,

xion also had a keyblade, and she was a replica with no heart.

so my theory fits that as well because

she was apart of sora, and because sora's heart was till intact,

she was able to wield the keyblade because of her connection to him.


but maybe this theory isnt correct, because then namine would be able to wield?

and maybe this also explains why kairi can wield?

or am i going tooo deep in...

[Key of Valor]

Originally Posted by Saix's bane

When was this?

Originally Posted by djam2410

yeah xehanort didnt control his heart,

because he lost it in darkness as stated by AtW in the reports.. (wait were those the ones xehanort wrote?)

Xehanort's heart produced a special heartless. What made Xehanort's Heartless special was that he was still in control of actions. Xehanort's Heartless retained his intelligence and his sense of self. He wasn't a slave of the darkness. Instead, he freely commanded the darkness for his own purposes.

Originally Posted by djam2410

xion also had a keyblade, and she was a replica with no heart.

Actually, Xion's Keyblade was confirmed to be an "imitation" of the Keyblade. However, Roxas' Keyblades are described to be genuine Keyblades and quite real.

[Saix's bane]

Originally Posted by djam2410

but maybe this theory isnt correct, because then namine would be able to wield?

Wait, why would Namine be able to yield? She was a part of Kairi, not Sora. Kairi can just hold and swing a Keyblade that Riku gives her, not necessarily wield one.

[Eraser Rain]

Originally Posted by Key of Valor

But Xehanort still controlled his heart as well.

I personally think Roxas could wield a Keyblade because Roxas might have had a heart of his own.

Nomura said you need a heart to wield a genuine Keyblade...
And Roxas wields a genuine Keyblade so...

Xehanort's strong memories went to Xemnas, oddly. Thus, his heart could've been void of strong memories.

Sora, on the other hand, had strong memories in his heart, so Roxas was able to wield through him, I presume.

[Key of Valor]

Originally Posted by Eraser Rain

Xehanort's strong memories went to Xemnas. Thus, his heart was void of strong memories.

Or, both Ansem SoD and Xemnas retained all their memories as Xehanort, but Xemnas was able to obtain even more memories from his previous life before becoming Ansem's apprentice.

Nothing is definite when it comes to the state of Xehanort's memories among any of his existences.

Originally Posted by Eraser Rain

Sora, on the other hand, had strong memories in his heart, so Roxas was able to wield through him, I presume.

Spoilers – KH'Days…

But Sora lost most if not all his memories in KH'Days, and Roxas' ability to wield the Keyblade was not lost as a result of that specifically.

[Eraser Rain]

Originally Posted by Key of Valor

Or, both Ansem SoD and Xemnas retained all their memories as Xehanort, but Xemnas was able to obtain even more memories from his previous life before becoming Ansem's apprentice.

That'd be replicating memories from nothing, though...I got this idea from Xemnas's inability to recognize memories other than anger/hatred. That, and XH seems to be completely oblivious of his years with AtW. Sure, he could've just not mentioned them, but isn't it also possible that his strongest memories went to Xemnas?

Spoilers

But Sora lost most if not all his memories in KH'Days, and Roxas' ability to wield the Keyblade was not lost as a result of that specifically.

Ah yes, that's right...

[Key of Valor]

Originally Posted by Eraser Rain

That'd be replicating memories from nothing, though...

Which seems to be possible. Namine imprinted a copy of Riku's memories onto the vessel of the replica.

Originally Posted by Eraser Rain

I got this idea from Xemnas's inability to recognize memories other than anger/hatred.

I personally think that's a result of the qualities of Xehanort's heart when he was Xehanort. Sort of like when Zexion told Riku "That's all that's left in your heart: dark memories."

Then again though, the nature of memories hasn't been properly explained yet, so I suppose Xemnas' recognition of only anger and hate could be the result of many possible things.

Originally Posted by Eraser Rain

That, and XH seems to be completely oblivious of his years with AtW. Sure, he could've just not mentioned them, but isn't it also possible that his strongest memories went to Xemnas?

Indeed, it is quite possible for that to be the case. Like you said though, it's also possible that Xehanort's Heartless just didn't care to acknowledge those memories. Again, nothing is definite about Xehanort's memories, so it leaves a lot to be theorized about.

[Eraser Rain]

Lemme throw up a quote:

Riku: No one here, either... There's nothing but Heartless in this castle.
Voice! I know you're watching — so explain this. Where are the people
from my memories? Tell me!

???: Are you sure you want to see them?

Riku: Of course I do.

???: But you cast them aside. To reach the outside world, you passed through
the door to darkness. Behind you, you left family, friends, home —
everything — all in pursuit of darkness.

Riku: But I cast that aside, too!

???: Then what do you have to show for it? First your home, then the dark. Your
heart only knows how to throw things away. It's empty, like that room.
Like your memories. That's why no one is in the castle with you. Your
heart is hollow except for the darkness you couldn't quite shake off.

Basically, Riku tends to cast aside his strong memories.

Originally Posted by Key of Valor

Which seems to be possible. Namine imprinted a copy of Riku's memories onto the vessel of the replica.

I think she got those memories from whatever Riku threw away.