Edit: Keyblade Mastery

[Eraser Rain]

Did some cleaning up on the 2 types of Unversed theory, and now I've got a little more support to stand on. Everything stands on this assumption:

Strong memories will last forever.

Most of this might make little sense, though I'm more interested in expanding concepts rather than creating concrete ones...but I try. :[

Keyblade Mastery

To achieve the rank of master, one must have strong memories, either light or dark. Once that happens, their memories will chain onto their heart. Their keyblade is then equipped with a keychain, which represents memories being chained to the base of a keyblade. I believe that keyblade bases are carved from the elements of the heart, so that would symbolize a coeixistence; the heart would become one with the memories as the latter creates light/darkness to give them both existence.

What would happen to the body+soul? Can't say much about that, honestly...I'm thinking the hearts of light keep their bodies+souls since at some point in BBS, Ven's body (and presumably soul) is hanging around similar to how Kairi's body+soul was (I'll get to how Ven might've been a master eventually). Hearts of darkness, however, might've casted away their bodies+souls, which would fade away into darkness (or that other mysterious realm).

What happened?

The formula somehow got messed up, and now strong memories don't fuse with the heart. Forgotten strong memories find their way into Castle Oblivion as memories, which the Org. could've used on the replicas. Also, instead of mimicing memories, darkness, when not controlled, starts to corrupt the heart. Why would someone do this? Perhaps to assimilate a hoarde of strong memories for whatever purposes.

Ven and Vanitas

Ven is an interesting character in that memories (assumably dark ones) are possibly being locked away in his heart while the darkness created by said memories could be anywhere. I'm thinking that Vanitas is the Unversed nobody of Ven; unversed in the sense that he's taking Ven's darkness, and nobody in the sense that he's slowly taking Ven's dark memories.

This would make Ven a person of both eras: strong memories are capable of leaving him, yet the darkness still harasses his memories. This would make Ven a BwaHoPL with dettachable memories.

Vanitas would then reside in MX (who I presume is a heart of darkness). They become one, but due to Vanitas's nature as dettached memories, he could separate from MX in a physical sense. The darkness he obtains as an Unversed gives him the darkness suit, which both clothes and animates Ven's memories as a humanoid being. Being composed of strong memories and being a part of MX gives his keyblade a keychain.

So what happened to Ven? Being a BwaHoPL (in a sense), his heart, for whatever reasons, left his body and...split. Ven's heart of light merges with/replaces Kairi,* and Ven's memories (ALL memories, light and dark, since his some of his dark memories might've eluded transfer into Vanitas, or Vanitas is no longer sponging off him) (and include strong memories of Mickey) find their way into Sora. He's still parodoxially a keyblade master of the past era though, since he's got strong memories of Mickey, has a heart of pure light, and some other unexplained reasons.* Thus, Ven's heart and memories would still be chained together, his heart being of light from his memories of light (the dark ones have been sucked clean of darkness), and his memories would forever exist as light memories (they'd be locked away in Sora, so his appearance wouldn't change...I'll talk about that later with Roxas).

*I'd be more than happy if someone could find alternatives to these...They're the edgiest parts, but I think it's possible to fit all the other clues together

Kingdom Key

On the night of the storm, Kairi's heart found its way into Sora, which means that Ven's heart came in contact with Ven's strong memories. Thus, the Kingdom Key was created. However, There was no true heart from which it originated from, so it simply goes with the strongest heart. Ven's memories are also locked off, so it goes with the strongest set of open memories. Sora's strong memories for Kairi started to develop and become strong enough to summon a keyblade without the "stronger memories" effect in due time.

Inverse Kingdom Key

When Sora used the heart unlocker on himself, the memories of Ven dettached from himself and followed the body and soul to create Roxas, along with Sora's normal memories. When Kairi's heart touched Sora's heart(less), Ven's memories momentarily came back, and then back to Roxas (since the latter needed something to string himself together/Sora's memories already occupied his own heart/Ven wasn't bound to Sora's heart anymore). Once more, Kairi's heart (as Ven's heart) came in contact with Ven's memories, but through a heart of darkness. Thus, the IKK was created. Just like its light counterpart, the IKK could be held by anyone with strong memories.

As a side note, Sora retained himself either through strong memories or as a side effect of Ven's heart coming into contact with him. Also, for whatever reasons, Roxas would not retain Ven's memories. Maybe for reasons such as coming into contact with the heart again, which could've reactivated the memory-wiper object). Roxas would look like Ven as an effect of the heart unlocker, as opposed to Sora. I also blame Roxas's emotions on Sora's heart resonating them. Since Ven's memories are "unlocked," and since Sora exists with strong enough memories to summon the keyblade without the "stronger memory" effect, Roxas can wield.

Terra

Oh fuck, Terra destined Riku to have the keyblade...Assumably. Since that scene was non-canon, it's possible that Terra could've been talking at any given point in the KH universe, perhaps even after Riku got his WtD.

Door to Light

The reason why Kairi and Sora have gotten together twice. As an effect of Ven's heart being an eternal connection between the heart and memories, Kairi, by fate, landed in the waters of Destiny Island the same way Sora and Riku did in the end of KH2.

One sky, one Ven, one destiny.

[YPPQ510]

you get + 1337 internets.

[Door To Twilight]

But would the memories just float around CO? Who would keep them?

[Audo]

Originally Posted by Eraser Rain

The strength of a heartless is determined by its monstrosity

That's never actually been confirmed.

Let's look at Repliku (and assume he was created from Riku's emotions). Found in Castle Oblivion with the exact look of Riku. Shows traits of anger and hate.
Riku was trying to throw away his memories.

Now Xion. Found in CO, started looking more like Sora with memories overflowing her. Sora's memories were flying around.

Uh... Xion and Repliku weren't "found" in CO, they were created there. It was intentional, it wasn't something like a group of memories being casted off and just magically taking form there. Repliku wasn't created from Riku's emotions at all, but rather Data taken from Riku's memories and then used on a doll to create Repliku. Nami than gave him entirely fake memories as a way to make him angry and full of hatred.

If Namine can destroy memories into nothing, then perhaps she/her power has her/its own variation of the law.

Yeah... except for the fact that Nami can't destroy memories, as she says in Chain of Memories.


It sure is a lot of speculation.
And, side-note, you guys do realize it's "Unversed" right? Not "Unverses".

[Eraser Rain]

Originally Posted by Audo

Uh... Xion and Repliku weren't "found" in CO, they were created there. It was intentional, it wasn't something like a group of memories being casted off and just magically taking form there. Repliku wasn't created from Riku's emotions at all, but rather Data taken from Riku's memories and then used on a doll to create Repliku. Nami than gave him entirely fake memories as a way to make him angry and full of hatred.

The plan is going more or less smoothly. Concerning the most superior replica, "No. i", it is going almost too smoothly. The other that we couldn't acquire a number for was brought to Castle Oblivion, with the plan to do further research with it. These replicas, at least isn't it acceptable to call them special Nobodies?

Certainly implies that they found him, right? (Though there goes the part about him being found in CO)

As for Xion, I think I remember something about her being found in CO, since there have been some topics related to the RoA and her being found there. Just based off of being found in CO, though.

Yeah... except for the fact that Nami can't destroy memories, as she says in Chain of Memories.

But what did she do with Repliku?

[Audo]

Originally Posted by Eraser Rain

Certainly implies that they found him, right?

No, it implies that they had two Replicas going, one which they had given a number to (Org) and the other which was going to be for something else. They needed to be brought to CO to be finished. Vexen created the replicas, it was stated multiple times in CoM, the novels, and it's certainly implied in Days.

As for Xion, I think I remember something about her being found in CO, since there have been some topics related to the RoA and her being found there.

Except she wasn't found there, since they still don't know where the CoA is.
Saix said that she was born there, and while she technically was, he only said it to mislead Axel. They created Xion using data that Xemnas had acquired in his fight with Sora. She wasn't found.

But what did she do with Repliku?

She made fake memories?

[OneWingedAngel45]

Originally Posted by Eraser Rain

But what did she do with Repliku?

She crushed his heart.

Originally Posted by Larxene

More like smashed it really.

Not sure if this means the memories were destroyed. But they never said they were.
Also, he came back, despite this fact, with his memory intact, leaving Marluxia very surprised.

[Memory Master]

Well it was a good read as far as theories go but i'm afraid you're wrong on some key points. 1. It is unknown if memories even play a part in unverse creation. 2. There is no example of memories being destroyed. 3. Replica's are made in a lab somewhere in CO and we so far only know that the Organization was making replicas.

So no, i'm more inclined to believe unverse can represent different negative emotions. Like I see some who look sad but some look angry. I'm no longer sure if memories play any part in this.

[manueltace]

Originally Posted by Door To Twilight

But would the memories just float around CO? Who would keep them?

hearts float around in kh so wy not??????

[KHD00D]

wow thats one confusing theory, could you like, guide me along that or something? thanks

[Eraser Rain]

Originally Posted by Audo

No, it implies that they had two Replicas going, one which they had given a number to (Org) and the other which was going to be for something else. They needed to be brought to CO to be finished. Vexen created the replicas, it was stated multiple times in CoM, the novels, and it's certainly implied in Days.

Can't argue with that...Though I have to wonder where Vexen got his data. Sure, he could've created it out of data, but isn't it also possible he got the data from CO? (I reworked the theory a bit in that they just exist as memories)

Really need to start playing ReCoM, it's been sitting in my closet for ages. >_>

Originally Posted by Memory Master

So no, i'm more inclined to believe unverse can represent different negative emotions. Like I see some who look sad but some look angry. I'm no longer sure if memories play any part in this.

I'd say that memories are needed to create emotions, AKA light/darkness.

Anyways, I reworked the theory a bit.