The connection between Riku and Vanitas

KHD00D · November 2nd, 2009, 09:20 PM

Heres my theory on the connection between Riku and Vanitas.
(My first theory ever, i think i did good! ^_^)

So before i heard anything in the forums i took a good look at that BBS trailer from KH2FM and saw that Vanitas's suit was strikingly similar to Riku's in KH and COM. Then i started searching on google for close pictures of the guy and saw that they are exactly the same except color difference and aan empty heartless emblem on Riku's. Dont belive me? look for yourself:

Ok so heres the theory, we know that Riku in KH was supposed to be the original Keyblade bearer but he chose darkness on that fateful night on Destiny islands. So with that the keyblade chose the guy with the next strongest heart: Sora. But i noticed during KH that sora threw in signs of cockiness. Maybe thats why he lost the keyblade near the end of KH, because cockiness is a dark trait. What i mean is that maybe Sora thought of himself as superior to people because he could weild the keyblade, letting darkness slowly weaken his heart. So at that point when he loses the keyblade to Riku, Rikus heart is stronger. Here are some proof quotes:

Quote 1: Donald- No you cant drive the gummy ship.
Sora- Come on!!! Hey, im the keyblade master!

Quaote 2: Phil- You aint got what it takes to be a hero, kid.
Sora- Aww come on i fought a bunch of monsters!

Quote 3:*Soras destroys a heartless that was sneaking up on Riku with his keyblade*
Riku- But how... *surprised face*
Sora- *with a proud, maybe even cocky smile* Ive been looking for you, and Kairi too, with their help. *points at Donald and Goofy*

Quote 4: (in this one even Riku notices Soras cockiness)
Sora- Pinocchio, this isnt time for games!
Riku- *comes out of nowhere and says* Whats the matter Sora, i thought you liked games, or are you to cool to play them now that you have the keyblade?

So as you can see, even our favorite hero has a bit of darkness in his heart. So weve gotten off track back to the Riku/Vanitas theory - Riku was originally on the "light side" but only got his dark clothes when he was on the "dark side"---AHA! So theres the conection! Let me just explain, in the stories of the Keyblade War, there are four special keyblade weilders called "Chasers" but two of them choose the darkness, one of them (Terra) sees the error of his ways and goes down a long path back to light (similar to Riku when he realised all those important things in COM) but the other (Vanitas) did not return and went to seek guidance from Master Xehanort.

Ok you guys are probably saying "Thats not true Terra was always good!" well my fine feahtered friend, YOU are wrong. Because all the news coming out about BBS suggest otherwise, here is a picture of him with Maleficent:

So why isnt he attacking her? I mean, she is evil right? Yes she is, but it shows in some videos that he has some sort of bitter-sweet "alliance" with her. It seems that they are both helping eachother out to get what they want. We know that Maleficent wants the 7 princesses of heart, but were not too sure what Terra is after. In another video it shows Maleficent telling Ven that Terra has succumbed to the darkness and in another video that he attacked Snow White.Then in the first video Aqua bursts into the scene and says "Ven! Dont listen to her lies!". In yet another video Aqua is about to face-off against Maleficent but before she does, she asks her if what she said to Ven was true. Maleficent says with a sinister smile, "I can asure you its all true, hes lost in the darkness, and the both of you will be joining him soon!" and she turns into the dragon form she has.

So the point of that is that the Keyblade War legend is true, wich means my theory might be true as well. So the apprentice has those clothes because he is a keyblade weilder who submitted to darkness, just like Riku. Riku probably has the heartless emblem because he was able to control heartless. And i know he was able to use the suit even when he didnt have the keyblade, but he was always a keyblade weilder from the start but couldnt use it because of his previously weakened heart (sort of being an employee at a place, but you are sick and have to stay home. You still work there but you cant go there). So it doesnt matter if you cant use the keyblade or not, you just have to be chosen by it at a point in time. Oh and here are some more similarities between Riku and Vanitas, if you look closely at both Riku and Vanitas keyblades youll see that they exhibit similar traits and traits relating only to the weilder. Here are pictures os their weapons:

Now the first thing i want you to notice is that they both have "eyes" right after the handle and for some reason Vanitas keyblade has one on top too, i dont know why but its pretty interesting. I have also noticed that if you look at the sides of the first "eye" on Vanitas has little wing figures, and Rikus whole soul eater is a wing! Hmmmm makes you think huh? Well on youtube i watched DeathSkull3000's video theory on Ventus and he explained that the handle on Vens keyblade looks like half of the kingdom key and that maybe in some point in time the keyblades of BBS split/transform and make the keyblades we know today. If thats true then theory is correct and Vanitas keyblade is Rikus soul eater that hasnt been transformed/split yet. Yes it makes sense! Vens keyblade is Soras keyblade before it is transformed/split too! And maybe the reason that the soul eater isnt a keyblade anymore is that it was weilded by a follower of darkness who stayed in the darkness until he was destroyed.

So there you go, my theory on Riku and Vanitas similarity. Please dont post replies saying "Youre wrong" just contradict me and shed light on some dark corners. Maybe even theorize along with me if you will.

So thanks for reading this, tell me what you think.

And if you look at Terras keyblade then Vanitas then youll see that the keyblade handles are the same style. just like Ven and Aquas keys, all the keys of that time had a handle similar to that

lycorismoon29 · November 2nd, 2009, 09:35 PM

We all knew there was a connection to Vanitas and Riku. It was hard not to realize it fight after anybody saw the secret ending in FM+. They even have the same mannerisms and way of speaking...

I think the situation now is that he might be connected to Sora as well...They might have the same voice (Miyu Irino but that is arguable (even though it sounds like Irino))...And it was said in a very recent interview that Ventus and Vanitas are connected to each other (since they have a similar name and we see them in scenes together)

EDIT: Also don't double post. The edit button is there for a reason.

Ragnell 37 · November 2nd, 2009, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KHD00D

Heres my theory on the connection between Riku and Vanitas.
(My first theory ever, i think i did good! ^_^)

Ok you guys are probably saying "Thats not true Terra was always good!" well my fine feahtered friend, YOU are wrong. Because all the news coming out about BBS suggest otherwise, here is a picture of him with Maleficent:

So why isnt he attacking her? I mean, she is evil right? Yes she is, but it shows in some videos that he has some sort of bitter-sweet "alliance" with her. It seems that they are both helping eachother out to get what they want. We know that Maleficent wants the 7 princesses of heart, but were not too sure what Terra is after. In another video it shows Maleficent telling Ven that Terra has succumbed to the darkness and in another video that he attacked Snow White.Then in the first video Aqua bursts into the scene and says "Ven! Dont listen to her lies!". In yet another video Aqua is about to face-off against Maleficent but before she does, she asks her if what she said to Ven was true. Maleficent says with a sinister smile, "I can asure you its all true, hes lost in the darkness, and the both of you will be joining him soon!" and she turns into the dragon form she has.

I was about to point out that Terra probably turned to darkness during the game, when I remembered that MX mentions Terra's darkness in the Land of Departure. It's a bit odd that he's discussing Terra's darkness before Terra has time to get corrupted by Maleficent or other villains. So there's another piece of evidence for ya'.

As for your theory, it's okay, but it doesn't mention Ven at all, and Vanitas is now practically confirmed to be connected with Ven. Nomura said that he picked Vanitas' name because it sounded like Ventus and it meant emptiness. Your theory doesn't account for that at all.

But I do like the idea of the suit being for dark keyblade wielders.

KHD00D · November 2nd, 2009, 10:03 PM

[quote=Ragnell 37;4576850]I was about to point out that Terra probably turned to darkness during the game, when I remembered that MX mentions Terra's darkness in the Land of Departure. It's a bit odd that he's discussing Terra's darkness before Terra has time to get corrupted by Maleficent or other villains. So there's another piece of evidence for ya'.

As for your theory, it's okay, but it doesn't mention Ven at all, and Vanitas is now practically confirmed to be connected with Ven. Nomura said that he picked Vanitas' name because it sounded like Ventus and it meant emptiness. Your theory doesn't account for that at all.

But I do like the idea of the suit being for dark keyblade wielders.[quote/]

where did you here that? show me the link please

i suck at quote =P

ice327 · November 2nd, 2009, 10:06 PM

this has nothing to do with yours but I knw what its like to be flamed because I cracked the nobody generating code and posted it but people just flamed and your theory is correct send me some messages some time and I'll explain the code in a video

oh and one more thing it could be vens dark double like roxas's generated one at the waterfall of the tutorial of KH2

Erauqs · November 2nd, 2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragnell 37

But I do like the idea of the suit being for dark keyblade wielders.

I had a similar idea a while back that got shot down.

Ragnell 37 · November 2nd, 2009, 10:16 PM

Do you need the link to the part about Terra or Ven?

Terra talks to MX in the TGS 2009 video. Here it is: YouTube - [HD] English Subbed - KH : Birth By Sleep TGS 2009 Trailer!

The KHI translation says:
Terra: Master Xehanort, what should I be learning?
Xehanort: What you have been. You don’t have to rid the darkness in your heart, you should control it.

The thing about Ven is the very first thing on the main page of KHI right now. Just go there, click more info, and scroll to the very bottom.

Awesome Ansem · November 2nd, 2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KHD00D

So before i heard anything in the forums i took a good look at that BBS trailer from KH2FM and saw that Vanitas's suit was strikingly similar to Riku's in KH and COM.

I think it's safe to assume that anyone who has playe KH1 and seen the KH2FM+ secret movie, or even heard of Vanitas, knows that Riku and Vanitas share the same, or slightly varied, suit-thing. I mean, it doesn't really require a "good look," I think when the put vanitas in the movie, they assumed people (players of kingdom hearts) would physically use their eyes to see him and remember the suit.

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Originally Posted by KHD00D

Ok so heres the theory, we know that Riku in KH was supposed to be the original Keyblade bearer but he chose darkness on that fateful night on Destiny islands. So with that the keyblade chose the guy with the next strongest heart: Sora.

Darkness does not equal weakness. Xehanort's heart was FILLED with darkness, but it was still strong. In KH2, Riku has darkness in his heart, but his heart is not weak. There's a difference.

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Originally Posted by KHD00D

But i noticed during KH that sora threw in signs of cockiness. Maybe thats why he lost the keyblade near the end of KH, because cockiness is a dark trait.

First of all, why would cockiness be a dark trait? Why would anything be a dark trait? How can you assign dark/light traits based on people's personalities? Dark is not the same as "evil" in the KH universe (riku, terra). And being cocky isn't necessarily a negetive trait for a person to have, but it is annoying.

second of all, So you say because sora's heart had a little bit of "darkness" in it, his keyblade went to someone whose heart is obviously housing more darkness than his own? Your saying Riku's heart was filled with pure light at the time? It's because Riku's heart was momentarily STRONGER than sora's. Again, darkness does not equal weakness.

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Originally Posted by KHD00D

What i mean is that maybe Sora thought of himself as superior to people because he could weild the keyblade, letting darkness slowly weaken his heart. So at that point when he loses the keyblade to Riku, Rikus heart is stronger.

Yes, riku's heart was stronger. Not because it had less darkness, though.

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Originally Posted by KHD00D

Quote 3:*Soras destroys a heartless that was sneaking up on Riku with his keyblade*
Riku- But how... *surprised face*
Sora- *with a proud, maybe even cocky smile* Ive been looking for you, and Kairi too, with their help. *points at Donald and Goofy*

"Ive been looking for you, and Kairi too, with their help. *points at Donald and Goofy" doesn't sound very cocky to me.

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Originally Posted by KHD00D

Quote 4: (in this one even Riku notices Soras cockiness)
Sora- Pinocchio, this isnt time for games!
Riku- *comes out of nowhere and says* Whats the matter Sora, i thought you liked games, or are you to cool to play them now that you have the keyblade?

Being serious about something is not at all the same thing as being cocky.

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Originally Posted by KHD00D

So as you can see, even our favorite hero has a bit of darkness in his heart.

So those quotes about sora being cocky proves that darkness was making its way into his heart? I don't know how that would ever make sense.

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Originally Posted by KHD00D

Riku was originally on the "light side" but only got his dark clothes when he was on the "dark side"---AHA! So theres the conection!

" duh.

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Originally Posted by KHD00D

Let me just explain, in the stories of the Keyblade War, there are four special keyblade weilders called "Chasers" but two of them choose the darkness, one of them (Terra) sees the error of his ways and goes down a long path back to light (similar to Riku when he realised all those important things in COM) but the other (Vanitas) did not return and went to seek guidance from Master Xehanort.

hmmm... I must've missed that cutscene. You know, the one where all this stuff is confirmed to have happened?

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Originally Posted by KHD00D

Ok you guys are probably saying "Thats not true Terra was always good!" well my fine feahtered friend, YOU are wrong. Because all the news coming out about BBS suggest otherwise,

I don't think anyone would be saying that. We've all seen the videos and pictures. In fact, right after the secret movie was released, people were already speculating that terra was about to unleash some dark power.

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Originally Posted by KHD00D

So the point of that is that the Keyblade War legend is true, wich means my theory might be true as well. So the apprentice has those clothes because he is a keyblade weilder who submitted to darkness, just like Riku.

so anyone who is a dark keyblade wielder gets those exact clothes? Why? From who? Magic? Why doesn't Master Xehanort have them? or Terra after he "succumbs to darkness." I think there is probably a different reason as to why their outfits are the same.

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Originally Posted by KHD00D

Riku probably has the heartless emblem because he was able to control heartless.

......or it could be because he had a heartless inside of him at this point in the game.

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Originally Posted by KHD00D

And i know he was able to use the suit even when he didnt have the keyblade, but he was always a keyblade weilder from the start but couldnt use it because of his previously weakened heart.

Answer me this: how can someone be a wielder of something if they can't wield it.

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Originally Posted by KHD00D

Oh and here are some more similarities between Riku and Vanitas, if you look closely at both Riku and Vanitas keyblades youll see that they exhibit similar traits and traits relating only to the weilder.

Now the first thing i want you to notice is that they both have "eyes" right after the handle

So does Master Xehanort's keyblade. Should this theory be applied to him too?

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Originally Posted by KHD00D

Well on youtube i watched DeathSkull3000's video theory on Ventus and he explained that the handle on Vens keyblade looks like half of the kingdom key and that maybe in some point in time the keyblades of BBS split/transform and make the keyblades we know today. If thats true then theory is correct and Vanitas keyblade is Rikus soul eater that hasnt been transformed/split yet.

so vanitas' keyblade "transforms" into soul eater by splitting?
.......what?

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Originally Posted by KHD00D

Yes it makes sense! Vens keyblade is Soras keyblade before it is transformed/split too!

so ven's keyblade, which "looks like half of kingdom key," splits in half, to become kingdom key? That would be like someone paying $20 for an item that costs $10, and then getting $40 in change.

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Originally Posted by KHD00D

And maybe the reason that the soul eater isnt a keyblade anymore is that it was weilded by a follower of darkness who stayed in the darkness until he was destroyed.

people with darkness in their hearts can't wield keyblades? I must've missed that cutscene too... We should tell Nomura since he doesn't seem to know.

edit: sorry my post was so long and rude.

lycorismoon29 · November 2nd, 2009, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ice327

oh and one more thing it could be vens dark double like roxas's generated one at the waterfall of the tutorial of KH2

(I feel like a nag for this but) Please do not double post...

Vanitas as Ven's dark side clone......Then there would be too many people that look like Roxas. And he would have had Roxas' voice...but he doesn't. And if it was your evil clone, you would know it would also have a Keyblade.

KHD00D · November 2nd, 2009, 11:40 PM

wow awesome ansem you like to flame ppl. o well i guess you put those things because of the contradict me and shed light on some dark corners thing. well tell me where im wrong, and where im wrong could you tell me whats right?

aspenvenom619 · November 2nd, 2009, 11:42 PM

I think that vanitas is actually xehanort. remember in kingdom hearts he steals his masters name ansem, so it would make sense that he would steal mx's name as well. vanitas means emptiness or vanity, and as we well know both forms of xehanort heartless and nobody showed little signs of actual humanity. mx also pleads to terra to control the darkness within him and remarks that his apprentice can't do so. Obviously in KH its revealed xehanort is willingly consumed by darkness. Yes there is a strong connection between terra and xehanort but their visual simularities are too convenient in my opinion. Also its remarked that xehanort shows up after a great keyblade war ended, and in Birth by sleep the keyblade war is also over so who knows. There's a lot to think about in this series which makes it great.

Awesome Ansem · November 2nd, 2009, 11:45 PM

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oh and one more thing it could be vens dark double like roxas's generated one at the waterfall of the tutorial of KH2

also. "evil clone" or "dark double" would be a pretty stupid character back story for Vanitas, as well as a shitty plot device.

yeah, sorry to flame, KHD00D, but I really don't think your theory could be true. Also I haven't been on the forums in awhile, feels good to get my KH engines all fired up again.

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I think that vanitas is actually xehanort.

I think this is a more promising theory.

KHD00D · November 2nd, 2009, 11:53 PM

Well there are theories flying around that say Terra is the Xehanort in KH1-KH2 and i seriously think he is too. if you dont think so go and read some theories about him because its an entirely different case

RoseateDawn · November 2nd, 2009, 11:55 PM

Of course, I knew there was something similar about them, but we'll see when the game comes out.

manueltace · November 2nd, 2009, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Awesome Ansem

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Originally Posted by KHD00D

And i know he was able to use the suit even when he didnt have the keyblade, but he was always a keyblade weilder from the start but couldnt use it because of his previously weakened heart.

Answer me this: how can someone be a wielder of something if they can't wield it.
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Originally Posted by KHD00D

Oh and here are some more similarities between Riku and Vanitas, if you look closely at both Riku and Vanitas keyblades youll see that they exhibit similar traits and traits relating only to the weilder.

Now the first thing i want you to notice is that they both have "eyes" right after the handle

So does Master Xehanort's keyblade. Should this theory be applied to him too?

riku can and did wield sora's key blade and why not????????????????????????????????
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I think that vanitas is actually xehanort.
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November 2nd, 2009, 09:20 PM	#1
KHD00D Nobody Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 44 Rep Power: 0 Level: EXP:	Heres my theory on the connection between Riku and Vanitas. (My first theory ever, i think i did good! ^_^) So before i heard anything in the forums i took a good look at that BBS trailer from KH2FM and saw that Vanitas's suit was strikingly similar to Riku's in KH and COM. Then i started searching on google for close pictures of the guy and saw that they are exactly the same except color difference and aan empty heartless emblem on Riku's. Dont belive me? look for yourself: Ok so heres the theory, we know that Riku in KH was supposed to be the original Keyblade bearer but he chose darkness on that fateful night on Destiny islands. So with that the keyblade chose the guy with the next strongest heart: Sora. But i noticed during KH that sora threw in signs of cockiness. Maybe thats why he lost the keyblade near the end of KH, because cockiness is a dark trait. What i mean is that maybe Sora thought of himself as superior to people because he could weild the keyblade, letting darkness slowly weaken his heart. So at that point when he loses the keyblade to Riku, Rikus heart is stronger. Here are some proof quotes: Quote 1: Donald- No you cant drive the gummy ship. Sora- Come on!!! Hey, im the keyblade master! Quaote 2: Phil- You aint got what it takes to be a hero, kid. Sora- Aww come on i fought a bunch of monsters! Quote 3:Soras destroys a heartless that was sneaking up on Riku with his keyblade Riku- But how... surprised face Sora- with a proud, maybe even cocky smile Ive been looking for you, and Kairi too, with their help. points at Donald and Goofy Quote 4: (in this one even Riku notices Soras cockiness) Sora- Pinocchio, this isnt time for games! Riku- comes out of nowhere and says Whats the matter Sora, i thought you liked games, or are you to cool to play them now that you have the keyblade? So as you can see, even our favorite hero has a bit of darkness in his heart. So weve gotten off track back to the Riku/Vanitas theory - Riku was originally on the "light side" but only got his dark clothes when he was on the "dark side"---AHA! So theres the conection! Let me just explain, in the stories of the Keyblade War, there are four special keyblade weilders called "Chasers" but two of them choose the darkness, one of them (Terra) sees the error of his ways and goes down a long path back to light (similar to Riku when he realised all those important things in COM) but the other (Vanitas) did not return and went to seek guidance from Master Xehanort. Ok you guys are probably saying "Thats not true Terra was always good!" well my fine feahtered friend, YOU are wrong. Because all the news coming out about BBS suggest otherwise, here is a picture of him with Maleficent: So why isnt he attacking her? I mean, she is evil right? Yes she is, but it shows in some videos that he has some sort of bitter-sweet "alliance" with her. It seems that they are both helping eachother out to get what they want. We know that Maleficent wants the 7 princesses of heart, but were not too sure what Terra is after. In another video it shows Maleficent telling Ven that Terra has succumbed to the darkness and in another video that he attacked Snow White.Then in the first video Aqua bursts into the scene and says "Ven! Dont listen to her lies!". In yet another video Aqua is about to face-off against Maleficent but before she does, she asks her if what she said to Ven was true. Maleficent says with a sinister smile, "I can asure you its all true, hes lost in the darkness, and the both of you will be joining him soon!" and she turns into the dragon form she has. So the point of that is that the Keyblade War legend is true, wich means my theory might be true as well. So the apprentice has those clothes because he is a keyblade weilder who submitted to darkness, just like Riku. Riku probably has the heartless emblem because he was able to control heartless. And i know he was able to use the suit even when he didnt have the keyblade, but he was always a keyblade weilder from the start but couldnt use it because of his previously weakened heart (sort of being an employee at a place, but you are sick and have to stay home. You still work there but you cant go there). So it doesnt matter if you cant use the keyblade or not, you just have to be chosen by it at a point in time. Oh and here are some more similarities between Riku and Vanitas, if you look closely at both Riku and Vanitas keyblades youll see that they exhibit similar traits and traits relating only to the weilder. Here are pictures os their weapons: Now the first thing i want you to notice is that they both have "eyes" right after the handle and for some reason Vanitas keyblade has one on top too, i dont know why but its pretty interesting. I have also noticed that if you look at the sides of the first "eye" on Vanitas has little wing figures, and Rikus whole soul eater is a wing! Hmmmm makes you think huh? Well on youtube i watched DeathSkull3000's video theory on Ventus and he explained that the handle on Vens keyblade looks like half of the kingdom key and that maybe in some point in time the keyblades of BBS split/transform and make the keyblades we know today. If thats true then theory is correct and Vanitas keyblade is Rikus soul eater that hasnt been transformed/split yet. Yes it makes sense! Vens keyblade is Soras keyblade before it is transformed/split too! And maybe the reason that the soul eater isnt a keyblade anymore is that it was weilded by a follower of darkness who stayed in the darkness until he was destroyed. So there you go, my theory on Riku and Vanitas similarity. Please dont post replies saying "Youre wrong" just contradict me and shed light on some dark corners. Maybe even theorize along with me if you will. So thanks for reading this, tell me what you think. And if you look at Terras keyblade then Vanitas then youll see that the keyblade handles are the same style. just like Ven and Aquas keys, all the keys of that time had a handle similar to that Last edited by KHD00D; November 5th, 2009 at 10:32 PM.

November 2nd, 2009, 10:03 PM	#4
KHD00D Nobody Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 44 Rep Power: 0 Level: EXP:	Re: The connection between Riku and Vanitas [quote=Ragnell 37;4576850]I was about to point out that Terra probably turned to darkness during the game, when I remembered that MX mentions Terra's darkness in the Land of Departure. It's a bit odd that he's discussing Terra's darkness before Terra has time to get corrupted by Maleficent or other villains. So there's another piece of evidence for ya'. As for your theory, it's okay, but it doesn't mention Ven at all, and Vanitas is now practically confirmed to be connected with Ven. Nomura said that he picked Vanitas' name because it sounded like Ventus and it meant emptiness. Your theory doesn't account for that at all. But I do like the idea of the suit being for dark keyblade wielders.[quote/] where did you here that? show me the link please i suck at quote =P

November 2nd, 2009, 10:06 PM	#5
ice327 Nobody Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 45 Rep Power: 0 Level: EXP:	this has nothing to do with yours but I knw what its like to be flamed because I cracked the nobody generating code and posted it but people just flamed and your theory is correct send me some messages some time and I'll explain the code in a video oh and one more thing it could be vens dark double like roxas's generated one at the waterfall of the tutorial of KH2 Last edited by Jaxx; November 2nd, 2009 at 11:51 PM.

November 2nd, 2009, 10:16 PM	#7
Ragnell 37 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: USA Age: 16 Posts: 104 Rep Power: 1 Level: EXP:	Re: The connection between Riku and Vanitas Do you need the link to the part about Terra or Ven? Terra talks to MX in the TGS 2009 video. Here it is: YouTube - [HD] English Subbed - KH : Birth By Sleep TGS 2009 Trailer! The KHI translation says: Terra: Master Xehanort, what should I be learning? Xehanort: What you have been. You don’t have to rid the darkness in your heart, you should control it. The thing about Ven is the very first thing on the main page of KHI right now. Just go there, click more info, and scroll to the very bottom. Last edited by Ragnell 37; November 2nd, 2009 at 11:08 PM.

November 2nd, 2009, 11:40 PM	#10
KHD00D Nobody Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 44 Rep Power: 0 Level: EXP:	Re: The connection between Riku and Vanitas wow awesome ansem you like to flame ppl. o well i guess you put those things because of the contradict me and shed light on some dark corners thing. well tell me where im wrong, and where im wrong could you tell me whats right?

November 2nd, 2009, 11:42 PM	#11
aspenvenom619 Nobody Join Date: Nov 2009 Age: 23 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0 Level: EXP:	Re: The connection between Riku and Vanitas I think that vanitas is actually xehanort. remember in kingdom hearts he steals his masters name ansem, so it would make sense that he would steal mx's name as well. vanitas means emptiness or vanity, and as we well know both forms of xehanort heartless and nobody showed little signs of actual humanity. mx also pleads to terra to control the darkness within him and remarks that his apprentice can't do so. Obviously in KH its revealed xehanort is willingly consumed by darkness. Yes there is a strong connection between terra and xehanort but their visual simularities are too convenient in my opinion. Also its remarked that xehanort shows up after a great keyblade war ended, and in Birth by sleep the keyblade war is also over so who knows. There's a lot to think about in this series which makes it great.

November 2nd, 2009, 11:53 PM	#13
KHD00D Nobody Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 44 Rep Power: 0 Level: EXP:	Re: The connection between Riku and Vanitas Well there are theories flying around that say Terra is the Xehanort in KH1-KH2 and i seriously think he is too. if you dont think so go and read some theories about him because its an entirely different case

November 2nd, 2009, 11:55 PM	#14
RoseateDawn Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Age: 16 Posts: 111 Rep Power: 1 Level: EXP:	Re: The connection between Riku and Vanitas Of course, I knew there was something similar about them, but we'll see when the game comes out.

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