WHO SAID FAMILY WASN'T IMPORTANT IN KINGDOM HEARTS?

[Grace Assassin]

Oh, right, everyone.

I don't know what is with me churning out these against-the-grain, shot-in-the-dark theories lately. This one in particular will undoubtedly give some grievances.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this was (and I do believe I recall) that this was proposed by KH nubs in the past, perhaps on several occasions. I'm a vanguard in defending retarded theories. But you know what? Unlike other theories which I would defend just to make people consider them viable (while I myself was not too keen on them), I like this. Yup.

Rather than holding the suspense (since you'd figure it out long before I shut my mouth anyway), here's the theory:

Spoilers

VEN AND SORA ARE BROTHERS.

I like it. And here's why.

I was thinking about the connection between Ven and Sora.
Here's some simple logic for you:
- Roxas is canonically considered similar in appearance to Sora.
- Roxas is identical to Ventus.
- Therefore, Ventus must canonically be considered similar in appearance to Sora.

The transitive property, for anyone interested.
Those that think this isn't canon (that Roxas can be said to look like Sora, yet Ventus can't even though he looks the same as Roxas), then I suggest you consult the BbS Speculation portion of the Days Ultimania. It is hinted that, when Xigbar tells Sora that "he" used to give him that same exact look, "he" may actually be Ven, not Roxas. And, really, it's just common sense.

So, there's clearly a reason for why Ventus looks similar to Sora. Or Sora looks similar to Ventus.

And the first idea I came up with is this:
When Ventus becomes a part of Sora in some way, shape or form, this produces a gradual change in Sora's appearance. Over the course of time, he begins to look more "Ven-like."

But I don't like that at all. Not one bit.
Sora is Sora. When he's younger, he's still the spikey haired kid we know. He looks exactly like how a younger Sora should look. I don't see any development towards being "Ven-like" here, I just see a kid growing up. Plus, I don't know about you, but this just doesn't seem to fit. Sora being physically altered over time to look like someone else isn't the greatest theme to incorporate into KH. KH is Sora's story. Why would Nomura base it around a kid who doesn't look like he's supposed to? He can have Kairi's heart or a piece of Ventus, or whatever outside influence inside of him, but Sora is Sora (even when he is only an existence of the heart- you'd figure that if Ventus really did alter him, the release of that piece in Roxas would, in effect, make him appear like his own person again when he's rejuvenated).

You can argue that that theory is still valid (it is, nothing disproving it), but I'm sure even you must be thinking, "I don't like this." There's got to be a better alternative.

Young Sora looks like old Sora, obviously, meaning that, by extension, young Sora has things in common with Ventus. Whatever the connection is between Sora and Ventus (Nomura DID say they have a "connection"), it runs deeper than just Ven becoming a part of Sora by coincidence. There was a reason why Ven became a part of Sora, and that reason must clearly be a part of their connection.

If young Sora looks like Ventus, I think it's fairly safe to assume that he always looked like Ventus, even before he was four. They always had the same looks.

And there you have it. Perfect explanation: They're brothers (the more you think about this, the more it adds up).

"BUT FAMILY IS NOT IMPORTANT IN KINGDOM HEARTS."
Boy, have I seen that line done to death. I wouldn't be surprised if I said it once or twice too.

By saying that, you're disregarding the potential importance of family. You and I both know that they could easily make it "important." Besides, it's not as though family is non-existent in KH (Sora's mom, Kairi's grandmother, the establishment is there).

"THAT'S NOT A GOOD JUSTIFICATION, YOU COULD SAY FSM COULD BECOME IMPORTANT WITH THAT LOGIC."

You're partially right, and that's why this is a "shot-in-the-dark."
But, really, this would be the most lovely kick in the balls the KH community would ever experience. And I like that. We've established our own etiquette and norms about theorizing, and one of the unspoken rules is to never theorize about family because it's "not important." You know what? I'd like to see it become important through this.

Sora and Ventus being brothers makes more sense to me than all of the other convoluted theories out there trying to explain their connection. It's simple. So simple (and so refreshingly easy to understand because, even as a complex theorist myself, I don't always enjoy these intricacies), that it wipes all of the others away under the principles of Occam's razor.

And it's a theme that I would like explored. Look at it in a new light: Sora is the younger brother trying to fill the shoes of his lost-and-forgotten older brother. A sibling rivalry that is unknown to Sora (and who ironically is with his sibling in some way all along).

"You're not half the hero [your brother was.]"
I'm not bothering to speculate on the nitty-gritty (like why Ven went to Sora, etc), but this is to lay the establishment of their connection.

Now, as for expansion into other family connections, again, I won't bother. TERRA, RIKU'S FATHER? AQUA, KAIRI'S COUSIN?

Though for the record, this is the only family connection that has some kind of basis, and it's the only one I find appealing.

[Lamentation]

Sora and Ven brothers? Why would they be. Ven lived 10 years before Sora.
And you can't just explain it by: Roxas looks like Ven.
Because there are more reasons why they look like each other

[Allister Rose]

it appears that the only family that has ever been important was within Disney, but everything outside, isnt.

only kair's grandmother was seen. Sora and riku had a few implications that they had parents. but since kh1 was focusing on the kids going on there own adventure. it would seem that it was important to at least imply that they had parents. in COM they could hae shown some more but they didnt. same for kh2.

[Grace Assassin]

Originally Posted by Lamentation

Sora and Ven brothers? Why would they be. Ven lived 10 years before Sora.

I want you to keep reading this quote until you realize how stupid it sounds.

[Sacred X]

By shot in the dark, you really did mean shot in the dark.

I'll admit, if Ven and Sora are really brothers, it would be a fun "kick in the balls" to the KH community. Still, it's hard to support a "shot in the dark" theory, even if it's one possible explanation for Sora and Ven/Roxas looking alike.

Also, just by itself, it just plain isn't interesting enough. It's a pretty bland connection instead of being something deeper.

[Lamentation]

Originally Posted by Grace Assassin

I want you to keep reading this quote until you realize how stupid it sounds.

I can say the same thing: maby you just have to read over to see how stupid your thread sounds

[auron10_KING.dvx]

If there had been any previous emphasis on family at all in the series, this theory would be pretty valid.

However, surely you understand that there was only one line spoken by sora's mother and a partial reference to after that ('we may never see our parents again') in the entire series.

I mean, sure, it'd be possible, but to do that they'd have to bring in Sora's mother and family history and everything and it'd just be ridiculous.

Still, nice concept.

[Grace Assassin]

Originally Posted by Lamentation

I can say the same thing: maby you just have to read over to see how stupid your thread sounds

No, see, mine, even if you don't like it, isn't nonsensical.

Not picking up on the nonsense of what you said?
"Sora and Ven brothers? Why would they be. Ven lived 10 years before Sora."
Keep reading. It's there. You'll find it.

Originally Posted by auron10_KING.dvx

I mean, sure, it'd be possible, but to do that they'd have to bring in Sora's mother and family history and everything and it'd just be ridiculous.

Let me set the record straight that I was not implying this at all. That suddenly, left and right, we're getting relatives.

I'm just talking about Ven.
You can't envision a scenario where he's Sora's brother and no one else is mentioned?
What about Kairi's grandmother- did we need to go through Kairi's parents first to learn about her?

[Tenyasyugan]

Originally Posted by Lamentation

Sora and Ven brothers? Why would they be. Ven lived 10 years before Sora.

*facepalm* You... just said that Sora wasn't even alive until Ten years AFTER Ven. Think for a moment. what does that mean?

Regarding the theory, I've never really had a problem with family in KH [just the obscene parent ones along with some horrid brother sister things]. The way you put it gives it some sense.

[auron10_KING.dvx]

Originally Posted by Grace Assassin

I'm just talking about Ven.
You can't envision a scenario where he's Sora's brother and no one else is mentioned?

I can't envision a scenario where the fact is revealed and there are no questions asked. There would have to be an explanation , some sort of backstory. There would have to be a reason why, say if Ven somehow disappeared when he was a small child (I dunno, swallowed up by darkness or kidnapped, whatever) Sora didn't know about it, and if it's ever touched upon in future installments and Sora finds out, who would he first go to? His mother, of course, and I just can't picture them bringing the mother in out of nowhere.

Sure they could just not bring in any relatives at all, but it would damage the story. It would kind of be a pointless, because it would be a crucial plot element, but if they didn't want to bring relatives in they'd have a hard time stressing the importance of it.

What about Kairi's grandmother- did we need to go through Kairi's parents first to learn about her?

No, but Kairi's Grandmother was hardly as important a character as Ven or Sora. That's why they used a grandmother instead of a mother or father, or even a sibling. With a grandparent there's a connection there, but it doesn't have to be deep or emotional. It's a very useful plot device.

[Lamentation]

Originally Posted by Tenyasyugan

*facepalm* You... just said that Sora wasn't even alive until Ten years AFTER Ven. Think for a moment. what does that mean?

Regarding the theory, I've never really had a problem with family in KH [just the obscene parent ones along with some horrid brother sister things]. The way you put it gives it some sense.

Oooooohhh... So that was the problem ^^"
I can't help that my English is bad (':
I meant: you know what I meant D:

[auron10_KING.dvx]

also

Sora and Ven brothers? Why would they be. Ven lived 10 years before Sora.

this is really really stupid because

1. Why would it matter how old either of them is? Is it possible to have a sibling that is ten years older than you? Of course it is, duh.

2. We know Terra watches Sora and Riku on the islands, so we know that Ven and Sora are alive at the same time.

[Lamentation]

Originally Posted by auron10_KING.dvx

also



this is really really stupid because

1. Why would it matter how old either of them is? Is it possible to have a sibling that is ten years older than you? Of course it is, duh.

2. We know Terra watches Sora and Riku on the islands, so we know that Ven and Sora are alive at the same time.

The first point: Could be, but that doesn't explain why Roxas looks like the younger Ven. And why did Roxas never mentioned Ven when he saw Roxas. I mean, IF they were brothers, he would remember him right. Because Xemnas still remembers him too.
That second point: I already explained myself in that

[Almagest]

Lamentation, did you mean that Ven and Sora can't be brothers because their ages are about ten years apart? I can disprove you right there. I'm 13 years older than my younger brother. And my best friend's brother is 15 years older than her.

[Allister Rose]

in the tgs 2009 trailer, it appears that Ven was oblivious to what world Aqua was talking about. Ven also appears to be from the world of departure. and since he isnt master he doesn't have the option to just choose to stay in his own world or the ability to travel world. since he doesnt have the option to travel to many worlds theres a high chance that land of departure is his home world.