A Vessel of Three - BBS Theory

[Zion]

Who is Xehanort? that is the question we'll be wondering throughout BBS seeing as it is coherent to the story, among other things. I'd like to believe that Xehanort is Vanitas but only in unconditional circumstances. What does that mean exactly? well to put it this way, I happen to think that Xehanort could be some form of creation through a number of ppl presented in BBS. It's as if he is a jigsaw puzzel put together in picture. What makes you believe this idea? Well i'm uncertain how it would really happen, but i'd have to say that me and many members of KHI can agree on the fact that anything can happen with the power of KH. Through the words of Ansem the Wise before his supposed death, Utilizing a mass amounts of hearts for yourself can only lead to danger (atleast in the sense of collecting them into data). We are led to believe that no one man is capable of honing the powers of KH, (speculation) and that if he does, a mass explosion will occur much like what was presented when ATW tried to contain hearts in his data machine. When the explosion occurred, ATW disappeared , and Riku changed back to his former self. It emitted so much light that Riku had to protect everyone to prevent whatever may have likely happened. Returning to the battle in the Keyblade graveyard as we see the KH2FM+trailer we see MX presenting, or unleashing what seems to be KH, and whatever happens after that is left to the imagination.



What does this have to do with Vanitas? I believe Vanitas to be a vessel, of MX, and Terra.....Does that make sense to anyone? I'll further explain by saying that the idea of MX and Terra fusing, the Idea of MX becoming younger, and the idea of Xehanort being Terra could all be one if Vanitas was some sort of vessel to contain the two. (picturing a scene) MX is a man who feels that controlling darkness is better fit than ridding it, but later we see MX saying that darkness could rid one's use of the keyblade, and that he asks to correct his mistake. What? okay so perhaps something happened to change the mind of MX, or perhaps he is pulling a farce here, while that is unkown (returning to Keyblade Graveyard battle) We see Terra's eyes turn amber, yellow, gold, whatever you want to call the color, and we can assume that this is what happens to many when coming too close to darkness. Now we have a possible battle between Terra, MX, and Vanitas, who all are no doubt utilizing darkness, and if in some way MX tries to utilize or contain the power of KH and it some how combines the three in a mass explosion then i'd have reason to believe that the end result would be the Xehanort we all know. As for Aqua, and Ven, well remember what happened to ATW?

In the end i believe all that was left is the armor of Aqua and perhaps Ven, and a man at near death being Xehanort. The parts of Terra left within the transformation is mostly his looks, and certain memories placed deep within his mind which becomes minorly presented with Xemnas for those who have played 358 Days. What is left of MX is the memory of his name of course, but then we also have his clothing gained by Ansem SoD (or Xehanort's heartless to be exact).

No doubt that everyone still has their doubts on this theory, and so i present my trump card. Here are two images given by kitowskiv, which shows Riku Replica, and Vanitas in the T stance that has only been seen with Riku in the KH universe.




The T stance is a common position in sword combat, and may also be utilized as a form of defense. This stance happens to be one of many, but is the only one unique to Riku in the KH universe, so how does Vanitas know this stance? I have no clue, and perhaps that will be explained in BBS, but i happen to have a clue in for this.

Now i would like to ask the people of KHI, when Ansem SoD takes over Riku's body, he gained a will of his own, meaning he had complete control over Riku (up until a certain point where Riku resisted). If this is the case, then why did he present the same exact T stance that Riku uses? This also happens to be the only time we see Ansem Sod use a sword besides using the baton weapon in the final battle in KH1 (i can't judge anything on Armored Xemnas since he pretty much sits the whole time in battle).

Here is a video of Sora fighting Rikunort


I understand that there may also be the possibility that perhaps there is more than one person in KH who may use this stance, but no one else that we know so far, besides Vanitas....


that is all KH i hope you enjoyed my theory, and thanks for putting in the effort to read, and respond.

[Zion]

wow really.....like no response at all, nothing about this raised questions..?

[AxelRoxasFan223]

I suck at theories but I think that's a great theory! And yup anything can happen in the KH universe XD :D But hold on if Vanitas, MX and Terra "combine" to make Xehanort, shouldn't Xehanort/Xemnas/Xehanort's heartless be able to wield the keyblade since all 3 (vanitas, MX and terra) could wield the keyblade. Sorry for being nooby :x

[Zion]

Originally Posted by AxelRoxasFan223

I suck at theories but I think that's a great theory! And yup anything can happen in the KH universe XD :D But hold on if Vanitas, MX and Terra "combine" to make Xehanort, shouldn't Xehanort/Xemnas/Xehanort's heartless be able to wield the keyblade since all 3 (vanitas, MX and terra) could wield the keyblade. Sorry for being nooby :x

thank you,
Good question, that is why i left in the part of MX regretting the darkness. A scene occurs when MX says that those who stray into darkness are not able to wield the keyblade. It is unsure who he was talking to but then he asks whoever it was to defeat the darkness and correct his mistake as he gestures towards Vanitas. We also have the possibility that all three were utilizing the darkness, and in one big bang the keyblade may have been non existent to the dark presence left to lay upon Xehanort. Remember when Riku takes the path to Dawn, well in this case we are led to believe that he had taken a turn from the darkness, and perhaps a little of the light that he had lost in KH1 had returned to change the Soul Eater into the Way to Dawn. However we see that Vanitas has a keyblade of his own but perhaps his path manages to be different from Riku's in the case that MX being his Master was not a man who would rid darkness but rather use it's power just as ATW came to utilizing when he was banished in the realm of nothingness. Perhaps certain paths in darkness led to Vanitas maintaining a keyblade of his own, or perhaps he had always had his keyblade, but it changed just as he did.

[AxelRoxasFan223]

Ohhhhh thanks for explaining that XD *feels smarter
*You know what is crazier? I used to think Braig was Vanitas. Lol. I know I'm nuts D:

[Zion]

Originally Posted by AxelRoxasFan223

Ohhhhh thanks for explaining that XD *feels smarter
*You know what is crazier? I used to think Braig was Vanitas. Lol. I know I'm nuts D:

Well everyone is entitled to their opinion on this matter. I may try to disprove that theory if you believe in it, but you don't have to agree. The same could be said for this theory, no one has to agree, i was just more surprised that a response wasn't made sooner.

[AxelRoxasFan223]

No the Braig-vanitas thing isn't a theory you could say its just a speculation XD since when xigbar saw xion as

Spoilers

ven

its like xigbar fought him before and that's why I thought braig was vanitas as vanitas fought ven (seen in the trailer) lol xD also when sora thought he saw riku instead it became xigbar so maybe xigbar had something to do with vanitas/riku XD and when you said that MX said one cannot wield the keyblade if strays the darkness- maybe that's why xigbar couldn't wield a keyblade anymore XD Ok ill stop this nonsense now lol xD

And anyway aw I think your theory is great its nice to see what other people think :) x

[Zion]

Originally Posted by AxelRoxasFan223

No the Braig-vanitas thing isn't a theory you could say its just a speculation XD since when xigbar saw xion as

Spoilers

ven

its like xigbar fought him before and that's why I thought braig was vanitas as vanitas fought ven (seen in the trailer) lol xD also when sora thought he saw riku instead it became xigbar so maybe xigbar had something to do with vanitas/riku XD and when you said that MX said one cannot wield the keyblade if strays the darkness- maybe that's why xigbar couldn't wield a keyblade anymore XD Ok ill stop this nonsense now lol xD

And anyway aw I think your theory is great its nice to see what other people think :) x

Xigbar was a man who found interest in a lot of things, no doubt that his somebody may have followed Terra, Aqua, and Ven, just as he snuck up on Xemnas in the Chamber of Sleep. We also know the possibility of the TAV being witnessed by the apprentices seen in the newest BBS trailer so to me it's a bit far fetched, but who knows really...

[KeybladeLegacy5]

I'm also surprised there hasnt been responses, this i believe could be what really happens. Personally i have no questions cause i agree with the whole Van+MX+Terra=Xehanort concept, i just didnt know how to peice it together into a theory. Great Job! rep+

[Zion]

Originally Posted by KeybladeLegacy5

I'm also surprised there hasnt been responses, this i believe could be what really happens. Personally i have no questions cause i agree with the whole Van+MX+Terra=Xehanort concept, i just didnt know how to peice it together into a theory. Great Job! rep+

LOL, i think everyone is tired of hearing about Vanitas, and Xehanort, and so forth. Bad timing, or no one is bothered to reply. I don't wanna pester i just want some reviews or a debate on this idea. As far as that, thanx for the compliment, i'm glad that some ppl will have an agreement with this.

[KeybladeLegacy5]

ok, i will give a shot at making a debate lol. now lets think, um How do the three of them survive once the balst happens and not ven and aqua? is it because of a dark sheild like riku created? sorry not a very good question bc thats how i believe its how it happens but i gave it a go haha

[Zion]

You got me there, LOL. I can't really say for sure what the cause might have been, but i could guarantee that if KH had been consumed for power in any sort of way, The one receiving that power would only end up like ATW, of course it's hard to tell really, because of what happened to Riku. Riku's darkness was greater than ATW's so i'm up to believe that somehow light can manifest or change something into another form. Then there i could be wrong because it seems light purifies the darkness within oneself, but what danger it hold is questionable to me seeing as ATW said anything could happen. That's all iany kind of proof i have there. Also we have to figure whether the KH presented by MX is the real KH as well. Many things can be said around this, I thought of these things in effort to understand myself, and then i went with the popular belief of the Terra and MX fusion. If that is allowed to happen, why not 3 ppl? I'm still not fairly sure whether Vanitas is a part of MX or his own person...

[KeybladeLegacy5]

the 3 biggest oppositions to this thoery that i see is 1) what exactly is Vanita 2) The fact that anything can happen in the explosion is a HUGE variable and 3) What Kingdom Hearts is the real one? Is it MX's blue moon? Ansem SOD's Door? Or Xemnas's Yellow moon?
Like you also said another theory that poses a serious question isthe one that Beings with hearts of Pure Light are different that the 7 princesses with pure hearts which i believe. The part that poses a question is some people hereon KHI think that Ventus is a BwHoPL so like you said wouldnt that nulify the darkness let him live? Or maybe he did live and the "Erase me" scene comes after the keyblade war scene? There are just too many factors to disprove this theory at the moment

[Zion]

Originally Posted by KeybladeLegacy5

the 3 biggest oppositions to this thoery that i see is 1) what exactly is Vanita 2) The fact that anything can happen in the explosion is a HUGE variable and 3) What Kingdom Hearts is the real one? Is it MX's blue moon? Ansem SOD's Door? Or Xemnas's Yellow moon?
Like you also said another theory that poses a serious question isthe one that Beings with hearts of Pure Light are different that the 7 princesses with pure hearts which i believe. The part that poses a question is some people hereon KHI think that Ventus is a BwHoPL so like you said wouldnt that nulify the darkness let him live? Or maybe he did live and the "Erase me" scene comes after the keyblade war scene? There are just too many factors to disprove this theory at the moment

I can't really say what Vanitas is, because there isn't much to go on, other than what he could be. I could say he is an unverse, but i couldn't be sure, unless i wanted to use his name to make a point for that, but even still it holds no real ground. Instead i preferred to go with what he could be, what's under that helmet is a mystery in itself.

The explosion is a huge variable, but what happened with the data machine is my closest bet to whatever happens when someone tries to contain KH with oneself. I can't explain the dissapearance of everyone, i can only speculate, and because we see a battered armor that belonged to Aqua i'm inclined to believe that something big happened for it to be lying there without it's wearer.

It's hard to say which KH is the real one, but as far as i know the KH in KH1 was the heart of all worlds, while the one in KH2 created by the organization, was the heart of man. I assume that the one in KH1 is the real one. If you look hard enough you can see the shape of a heart outined in the shrouded darkness near the end of KH1 after defeating Ansem SoD. There's nothing showing the color of that KH so if it is blue well then that would raise some questions now wouldn't it?

[KeybladeLegacy5]

Originally Posted by Zion

I can't really say what Vanitas is, because there isn't much to go on, other than what he could be. I could say he is an unverse, but i couldn't be sure, unless i wanted to use his name to make a point for that, but even still it holds no real ground. Instead i preferred to go with what he could be, what's under that helmet is a mystery in itself.

The mystery that also goes along with this portion of the theory is what an unverse is? Some believe its a memory some believe its a dream. I dont really have a specific idea of what Van is, my biggest incline is to believe that was the first puppet or replica and was used as a shell to mirror Ven just as Xion was used to mirror Roxas. A question i have here is how did MX implement darkness into the shell, with me thinking that is the "mistake" he is refering too.

Originally Posted by Zion

The explosion is a huge variable, but what happened with the data machine is my closest bet to whatever happens when someone tries to contain KH with oneself. I can't explain the dissapearance of everyone, i can only speculate, and because we see a battered armor that belonged to Aqua i'm inclined to believe that something big happened for it to be lying there without it's wearer.

Like a said before about Ven possibly being a BwHoPL this all for me seems to lead back to the room of awakening/sleeping. We know Aquas armor is sleeping, but how do we know Vens is in the RoW? The fact that they only show aquas armor bothers me, is ven inside sora? which gives sora the ability to weild because Riku was the the one chosen by Terra.

Originally Posted by Zion

It's hard to say which KH is the real one, but as far as i know the KH in KH1 was the heart of all worlds, while the one in KH2 created by the organization, was the heart of man. I assume that the one in KH1 is the real one. If you look hard enough you can see the shape of a heart outined in the shrouded darkness near the end of KH1 after defeating Ansem SoD. There's nothing showing the color of that KH so if it is blue well then that would raise some questions now wouldn't it?

Really, I never saw the outlined heart in kh1? if so i think that would mean that it is the real KH since it is more like the heart of all worlds. Both moons just seem very artificial to me. When Mickey went to see Ansem the Wise, he didnt talk about "the heart shaped moons that appeared" when they tested the hearts, he talked about "the doors"