Blue Kingdom Hearts = KH of Keyblade Wielders

[Zion]

Originally Posted by Zeagal

Just to debate further (oh so fun) I think it's possible that hearts from the 1000 heartless were pulled by the KH that Xemnas created in such a way that didn't allow them to just collect together.

Why not? what is this way that wont let them connect? is it an unnatural force? Why would hearts collect themselves to make a KH if there is already a KH that is real. Wouldn't that be far superior to anything artificially made by chance?

Originally Posted by Zeagal

Maybe only one artificial KH can exist at one time. Maybe it had to do with the fact that only keyblade wielders' hearts were involved.

So when it was said that all hearts go to Kingdom Hearts, the game was speaking of only regular hearts? I don't think there's anything special between the hearts of Keybladers and the hearts of common folk other then a strong will, besides wouldn't the POH be more sufficient? they're the purest of hearts yet they were only successful in creating the Heart Unlocker that would connect the pathway to the door to darkness, which led to Kingdom Hearts.

Originally Posted by Zeagal

Maybe the blue KH was in fact created by someone. I don't want to agree with that, but I won't deny it as a possibility. If it was created, you'd think the KH itself would have to be started before all the hearts were released wich would mean that the location of the battle in the Keyblade War would have been decided before the actual battle. It's just too precise for my taste.

Or have you considered the fact that perhaps MX summoned KH. He released an orb from which his keyblade once positioned itself and when it plowed through the sky, a blue KH appeared.

Let me explain something here that you might not notice. In the KH2FM+ secret ending the sky is present among the many clouds above, but when the battle between VAT, and MX, and Vanitas commence, the sky becomes dark and completely shrouded in clouds. The video i presented before When Ansem SoD tried to call upon KH, presented us with a realm surrounded in dark clouds, and among the dark clouds was a very dark heart shaped figure that was sitting behind the Door to Darkness. But because we didn't see the color of this KH, i'm particularly led to believe that this KH, may be the actual blue KH. That or the blue KH was created by MX himself. There are facts to back this up but Keybladers hearts rubbing together by chance to create a KH is pure speculation.

[Zeagal]

Originally Posted by Zion

Why not? what is this way that wont let them connect? is it an unnatural force? Why would hearts collect themselves to make a KH if there is already a KH that is real. Wouldn't that be far superior to anything artificially made by chance?

I think that if there already was an artificial KH made at the time, they would be guided to that rather than collect. What the force is that is guiding them to the artificial KH I do not know and I do not think it matters. If they were all released in the same place and had no other significant force leading them, besides the force of the real KH, they would collect, in my opinion, because the wielders' hearts would be wanting to continue the battle or be with their friends and that emotion overuled the pull of the real KH.

So when it was said that all hearts go to Kingdom Hearts, the game was speaking of only regular hearts? I don't think there's anything special between the hearts of Keybladers and the hearts of common folk other then a strong will, besides wouldn't the POH be more sufficient? they're the purest of hearts yet they were only successful in creating the Heart Unlocker that would connect the pathway to the door to darkness, which led to Kingdom Hearts.

No it was talking about all of course. What I mean by it having to do with them being wielders is that they may have such strong hearts to overcome that pull of KH. It could even have had to do with the keyblades. Depending on the way you think about the graveyard, they can be seen as the ball and chain keeping the wielders near to them. Yeah I don't know what to say to the POH comment. I mean it was only the six hearts that made it and just because they are pure doesn't mean their hearts are as strong as that of a wielder.

Or have you considered the fact that perhaps MX summoned KH. He released an orb from which his keyblade once positioned itself and when it plowed through the sky, a blue KH appeared.

Let me explain something here that you might not notice. In the KH2FM+ secret ending the sky is present among the many clouds above, but when the battle between VAT, and MX, and Vanitas commence, the sky becomes dark and completely shrouded in clouds. The video i presented before When Ansem SoD tried to call upon KH, presented us with a realm surrounded in dark clouds, and among the dark clouds was a very dark heart shaped figure that was sitting behind the Door to Darkness. But because we didn't see the color of this KH, i'm particularly led to believe that this KH, may be the actual blue KH. That or the blue KH was created by MX himself. There are facts to back this up but Keybladers hearts rubbing together by chance to create a KH is pure speculation.

Even that though is speculation as it could just as easily be the clouds swirling to create a heart shape around the door. If you notice the clouds don't ever cross the heart shape.

[Heolstor]

Maybe it contains the Keyblade masters powers.

[∞]

Originally Posted by Heolstor

Maybe it contains the Keyblade masters powers.

If their power is contained in their Hearts, then yes.
Kingdom Hearts holds Hearts. It's not about to change all that and hold 'powers/abilities' too or instead of.

[Zion]

Originally Posted by Zeagal

I think that if there already was an artificial KH made at the time, they would be guided to that rather than collect. What the force is that is guiding them to the artificial KH I do not know and I do not think it matters. If they were all released in the same place and had no other significant force leading them, besides the force of the real KH, they would collect, in my opinion, because the wielders' hearts would be wanting to continue the battle or be with their friends and that emotion overuled the pull of the real KH.

fan fiction at it's finest.

Originally Posted by Zeagal

No it was talking about all of course. What I mean by it having to do with them being wielders is that they may have such strong hearts to overcome that pull of KH. It could even have had to do with the keyblades. Depending on the way you think about the graveyard, they can be seen as the ball and chain keeping the wielders near to them. Yeah I don't know what to say to the POH comment. I mean it was only the six hearts that made it and just because they are pure doesn't mean their hearts are as strong as that of a wielder.

no, the princesses of hearts, hearts are strong if they're able to transfer into another persons body. It is strong when it avoids itself from danger and is unable to be tainted by darkness. A keyblade wielder is not the same, as they are still greatly affected by the pull of light and darkness. Everything else you've responded with is speculation.

Originally Posted by Zeagal

Even that though is speculation as it could just as easily be the clouds swirling to create a heart shape around the door. If you notice the clouds don't ever cross the heart shape.

yes the clouds do, take a good look at the video very closely, the clouds are passing across the heart.

[Memory Master]

If you go by what MX said about Keyblades being influenced by their former wielders heart then it makes sence.

If the blue KH was created by all the hearts of those who fought in the keyblade war then the influence of those hearts inside the blue KH causes the keyblades to remain in Sunset Horizon. Now if MX can control this blue KH then technicaly he can control the influence of those hearts over their keyblades. Therefore MX would technicaly control all of the keyblades in sunset Horizon, he would control hundreds of the most powerful weapons in the universe.

That explains why he was able to control all of those Keyblades in the KH2FM+ secret ending with the whirlwinds and stuff.

[Xigbar]

I don't understand how could thousands of Keyblade Wielders vanished without a trace, leaving their Keyblades as remnants, maybe because of Master Xehanort or the Blue Kingdom Hearts. I'm not sure if we would be able to witness the war itself in BBS before the unexpected happens that leads to their disappearance?

[Memory Master]

Originally Posted by Xigbar

I don't understand how could thousands of Keyblade Wielders vanished without a trace, leaving their Keyblades as remnants, maybe because of Master Xehanort or the Blue Kingdom Hearts. I'm not sure if we would be able the war itself in BBS before the unexpected happens that leads to their disappearance?

Well MX said the keyblade war took place long ago. Usualy when someone says something like that happened "Long Ago" in a game or movie or whatever, it usualy mean hundreds or thousands of years ago.

Since MX knew about the keyblade war then he must know what the outcome was and thus what happened to the keyblade wielders in the war.

If my theory is correct then the Wielders hearts formed the blue KH. Question is, what happened to the rest of them? Maybe they died in the war and their hearts formed the blue KH when they died.

[Zeagal]

Originally Posted by Zion

fan fiction at it's finest.

It's not fanfiction, but I admit it has nothing to back it up. However, the point of it all is that we don't know the specifics. You can't really prove what I said wrong either.

no, the princesses of hearts, hearts are strong if they're able to transfer into another persons body. It is strong when it avoids itself from danger and is unable to be tainted by darkness. A keyblade wielder is not the same, as they are still greatly affected by the pull of light and darkness. Everything else you've responded with is speculation.

That's not really strength in my opinion. It's just a mechanism for preservation of the heart. What makes the keyblade wielders' hearts strong is that pull and how they use it. Most things are speculation.

yes the clouds do, take a good look at the video very closely, the clouds are passing across the heart.

I'm sorry, but I don't see that at all.

[∞]

Originally Posted by Xigbar

I don't understand how could thousands of Keyblade Wielders vanished without a trace, leaving their Keyblades as remnants, maybe because of Master Xehanort or the Blue Kingdom Hearts. I'm not sure if we would be able to witness the war itself in BBS before the unexpected happens that leads to their disappearance?

Obviously they wouldn't all die straight away. All those that died, their Keyblades would eventually just make their way to that place.

[Horizon's Knight]

Ahhm. I hate to break everyones thoughts on this thread, but the Hearts of Keybearers are some of the strongest hearts in the KH universe. That being said, it could have been pausible for Keybearer's Hearts to draw out the real Kingdom Hearts.

[∞]

How are you breaking anything to us? The first thing you said is very well known, and has been for a while now. Unless a Keybearer's Heart stays with its Keyblade, which I for one doubt, then it was something else that revealed Kingdom Hearts.

[Memory Master]

Ya know MX could have simply revealed the Blue KH from hiding. If MX is in control of the blue KH/KH of Keyblade wielders then ofcourse he would hide it by making it invisible or something so know one would find it and ruin his plans, then in the secret ending he revealed it from it's hiding using his keyblade.

[TwilightSorku]

Originally Posted by Memory Master

Ya know MX could have simply revealed the Blue KH from hiding. If MX is in control of the blue KH/KH of Keyblade wielders then ofcourse he would hide it by making it invisible or something so know one would find it and ruin his plans, then in the secret ending he revealed it from it's hiding using his keyblade.

Theories are cool for getting peoples opinions however There is no mistake that MX wants to use this blue KH keyblade wielders KH theory is not so far off but this will be explained in the game don;t make such a fuss about it

[∞]

Originally Posted by Memory Master

Ya know MX could have simply revealed the Blue KH from hiding. If MX is in control of the blue KH/KH of Keyblade wielders then ofcourse he would hide it by making it invisible or something so know one would find it and ruin his plans, then in the secret ending he revealed it from it's hiding using his keyblade.

Which is exactly what I've thought all along. The ability to literally summon or relocate a Kingdom Hearts seems impossible to me.