Blue Kingdom Hearts = KH of Keyblade Wielders

[Zion]

i could see this happening, of course i'm 50/50 on this, seeing as this theory is older than you think. I agreed with this theory back in 07 i think, but the possibility is still there. Also, let's not forget that we don't know what KH looked like in KH1, but when we witness the door to darkness the shape of a heart amongst the darkness behind the door can be seen.

[Zeagal]

It wasn't created by 'something' it just would have occurred is what I'm saying. The wielders of the Keyblade war obviously are no more. The idea is that they lost their hearts. Now these hearts all being released in the same area and released at generally the same point in time merged together to create a Kingdom Hearts right above the battlefield.

[Zion]

Originally Posted by Zeagal

It wasn't created by 'something' it just would have occurred is what I'm saying. The wielders of the Keyblade war obviously are no more. The idea is that they lost their hearts. Now these hearts all being released in the same area and released at generally the same point in time merged together to create a Kingdom Hearts right above the battlefield.

That makes no sense as their is a REAL Kingdom hearts for those hearts to go to. Nothing would interfere the course of those hearts unless an artificial KH was made much like the one in KH2.

[Zeagal]

It's a bunch of hearts all released at the same time. They'd naturally be attracted to each other and would attract more and more from the battle until it was a KH of its own. It'd be the same process as the one from KH2.

[Zion]

Originally Posted by Zeagal

It's a bunch of hearts all released at the same time. They'd naturally be attracted to each other and would attract more and more from the battle until it was a KH of its own. It'd be the same process as the one from KH2.

You could say it's the same process, but it simply isn't the same. KH of man was created by the Organization. What you're implying is that all these hearts came together at one point and created a kh unintentionally when really they would have simply traveled to the real Kingdom Hearts which is the Dominion of hearts.

[Dogenzaka]

I highly doubt there would be a Kingdom Hearts forged solely of the Hearts of Keybladers. Keybladers, as far as we've seen, are the same race as other people (not sure how to classify Mickey lol), they're not a separate entity. I would say that it's possible the KH in the trailer was made up of the Hearts of those lost to the Keyblade Wars, but to say that it could only have been made from those Hearts would be ignorant.

The hearts of Keyblade wielders are a very special kind of heart, though.
They are very strong-willed, powerful hearts. They are separated from normal hearts simply by the fact they can wield the Keyblade.

[Khfan01]

I think that may be possible. beside Keyblade has the power to release heart from the heartless like what Axel said from KH2, so why won't be same for human? I think during the war, many keyblade masters fought savagely and they all fight to the death until only one against one, light and darkness left. But those two died each other by staving into each other hearts, and then died. Maybe Master Xehanort tries to use those released hearts of the Keyblade Masters who fought in the war to create Kingdom Hearts.

[Igshar]

Just to say~

Where did Xemnas even get the idea of making Kingdom Hearts in the way he did? There's a good chance he based it on some earlier precedent: the Blue KH in the trailer. Considering he came from a man by the name of "Xehanort" it can be quite easily assumed that he, in some way, is connected to the Master Xehanort of BbS fame, right?

With that, it's entirely possible that Master Xehanort existed at the time of the Keyblade Wars (he is quite old and seems to know a LOT about the events of those wars, judged by his comments in the TGS 09 trailer), and would it really be such a stretch to say that Xehanort had collected the Hearts then into a Kingdom Hearts (or at least began to collect them then) and Xemnas was merely duplicating the process from all those years ago? *shrugs* It seems pretty possible to me, at least.



*cough* I'd even go so far as to say he instigated the Wars in order to forge Kingdom Hearts, but that would be waaaaay too far of a leap. xD


And @Dogenzaka: Exactly. They had strong Hearts. Doesn't mean that it happened due to them being Wielders, just due to the fact they had exceptionally strong Hearts (which leads to them being Wielders by extension).

[Zion]

Originally Posted by Igshar

Just to say~

Where did Xemnas even get the idea of making Kingdom Hearts in the way he did? There's a good chance he based it on some earlier precedent: the Blue KH in the trailer. Considering he came from a man by the name of "Xehanort" it can be quite easily assumed that he, in some way, is connected to the Master Xehanort of BbS fame, right?

With that, it's entirely possible that Master Xehanort existed at the time of the Keyblade Wars (he is quite old and seems to know a LOT about the events of those wars, judged by his comments in the TGS 09 trailer), and would it really be such a stretch to say that Xehanort had collected the Hearts then into a Kingdom Hearts (or at least began to collect them then) and Xemnas was merely duplicating the process from all those years ago? *shrugs* It seems pretty possible to me, at least.



*cough* I'd even go so far as to say he instigated the Wars in order to forge Kingdom Hearts, but that would be waaaaay too far of a leap. xD

And @Dogenzaka: Exactly. They had strong Hearts. Doesn't mean that it happened due to them being Wielders, just due to the fact they had exceptionally strong Hearts (which leads to them being Wielders by extension).

Honestly i agree more with what you're saying, in fact it's the same thought i had a long time ago when this theory was made some years back.

[Azrael]

Blue KH = The same KH from the first one.

[Zeagal]

Originally Posted by Zion

You could say it's the same process, but it simply isn't the same. KH of man was created by the Organization. What you're implying is that all these hearts came together at one point and created a kh unintentionally when really they would have simply traveled to the real Kingdom Hearts which is the Dominion of hearts.

How do you think Xemnas got started? At the simplest level he would have taken a heart and put it with another heart and another and another. The fact that on the battlefield there would be a sudden increase in hearts they would all just collide in attempt to go to the real KH.

[Zion]

Originally Posted by Azrael

Blue KH = The same KH from the first one.

I also thought this as well. We have no idea of the color of KH in KH1, and if you stop this video at 1:03 you should see the heart shape in the background.

Originally Posted by Zeagal

How do you think Xemnas got started? At the simplest level he would have taken a heart and put it with another heart and another and another. The fact that on the battlefield there would be a sudden increase in hearts they would all just collide in attempt to go to the real KH.

and it all boils down to unbalanced speculation. One was CREATED, the other was UNINTENTIONAL. If hearts wanted to rub and attract eachother to create a KH it should have done so when Sora defeated all those 1000 heartless in the Great Maw :/

[Igshar]

Originally Posted by Zion

and it all boils down to unbalanced speculation. One was CREATED, the other was UNINTENTIONAL. If hearts wanted to rub and attract eachother to create a KH it should have done so when Sora defeated all those 1000 heartless in the Great Maw :/

Unless my speculation earlier is correct, in which case both were created. =X

We also still don't know how exactly Xemnas was making all the Hearts gather in one location, so yeah. Lots of unknowns about Kingdom Hearts itself which will hopefully either be answered in BbS or the Keyblade Wars spinoff series/game that Nomura talked of wanting to make before.

[Zion]

Originally Posted by Igshar

Unless my speculation earlier is correct, in which case both were created. =X

We also still don't know how exactly Xemnas was making all the Hearts gather in one location, so yeah. Lots of unknowns about Kingdom Hearts itself which will hopefully either be answered in BbS or the Keyblade Wars spinoff series/game that Nomura talked of wanting to make before.

but this is exactly my point, What Xemnas did came with what he created, and although we don't know how he did it, it still stands that the KH2 KH was created, and not by chance

[Zeagal]

Originally Posted by Zion

and it all boils down to unbalanced speculation. One was CREATED, the other was UNINTENTIONAL. If hearts wanted to rub and attract eachother to create a KH it should have done so when Sora defeated all those 1000 heartless in the Great Maw :/

Just to debate further (oh so fun) I think it's possible that hearts from the 1000 heartless were pulled by the KH that Xemnas created in such a way that didn't allow them to just collect together. Maybe only one artificial KH can exist at one time. Maybe it had to do with the fact that only keyblade wielders' hearts were involved. Maybe the blue KH was in fact created by someone. I don't want to agree with that, but I won't deny it as a possibility. If it was created, you'd think the KH itself would have to be started before all the hearts were released wich would mean that the location of the battle in the Keyblade War would have been decided before the actual battle. It's just too precise for my taste.