Official KH3/Console War Thread

[tevlen]

Originally Posted by Eraser Rain

So this burger house makes some pretty good burgers, but there's some better competition around the block. Does that mean the former's burgers suck?

What you're saying is that any and all Wii games have no quality; sucky graphics and wierd controls don't prevent a game from being good.

No, it's a current gen with last-gen capabilities since it's currently Nintendo's console with the most focus on.

Even nintendo says its not a current gen system. Its not in direct competition with the PS3 or 360.

And lets play the games on teh wii. Most of them have horrible gameplay because they dont have an engine that can support new and creative ideas.

[SilverJ-17]

Originally Posted by tevlen

True....except of course for quality.

I can deal with that. It's not like we're talking about Wii to PS3 here. The 360 is a lot closer to the PS3 in capabilities and besides, I doubt Square would utilize the PS3's full capabilities for KH3 anyways. Hell, I doubt they'd even make it with much more, if not any, quality than a 360 game. Oh, and honestly, I could see a lot of PS3 games that look just the same on the 360. I bet the new Ratchet could work on the 360's platform.

Seriously, I feel that a good portion of the PS3's games are not using it's full power and therefore aren't much better terms of "quality" than a 360 game and even if half of them are, I still doubt that many companies care enough to do so. The more time that's put into a game, the more time it's not on the market making money and the more it's costing them to make it. Adding quality to a game takes time and to some game developers, I don't think they necessarily care to bring about the full power or even much more than what the 360 can muster.

Originally Posted by Crimson Jazz

Multi-platform games with excellent quality just don't exist to you, do they?

I don't know.

Just wondering though, how much quality does MW2 have? I don't necessarily care for it, since it's a war game, but it's certainly one of the better games and look.. It's even on the 360 as well as the PS3.

[tevlen]

Even without pulling the full power of a console, you still have to build for two different architectures.

[Mr. Wilhelm]

Originally Posted by tevlen

Even without pulling the full power of a console, you still have to build for two different architectures.

Who cares in the end? They do a XBox 360 game and are set to have 2 years working on it & 100 millions $ to do it (stupid number but goes with it). At a point they decide to make it multi plat. So the governing board gives the developers 6 months and 20 millions $ in more. BUT the developers would never have had that money and time if it wasn't for the multi plat. This money is given because of multiplat, and isn't take on the source. See what I mean?

It's what they did for SO4 and FF13.

[Eraser Rain]

Originally Posted by tevlen

Even nintendo says its not a current gen system.

kk.

Its not in direct competition with the PS3 or 360.

From a technological perspective, yes, but not from a business perspective; Nintendo supposedly wants people to buy the Wii over the other 2 consoles.

And lets play the games on teh wii. Most of them have horrible gameplay because they dont have an engine that can support new and creative ideas.

Key word: Most.

You're saying it's impossible to make a quality game on weak-sauce console when said console clearly has quality games on it (Zelda, Metroid, Mario Galaxy, NMH, etc.). Hell, look at Persona 4; It was released when the PS3 and 360 were all the rage, yet that ended up being a quality game. Console power doesn't determine a game's quality, it's the developers that do.


Also, a strong engine doesn't necessarily mean more creative ideas, it simply means more support for older ideas (not to say that it never introduces creative ideas).

[Shadow Soldier]

Eraser Rain, I love yer bewbs.


Kind of weird. Nintendo says they're not competing with Sony and Microsoft, yet in that interview Kotaku did with Reggie, he's butt hurt that all the good games are coming to the competitors...

[tevlen]

Originally Posted by Eraser Rain

kk.

From a technological perspective, yes, but not from a business perspective; Nintendo supposedly wants people to buy the Wii over the other 2 consoles.


Key word: Most.

You're saying it's impossible to make a quality game on weak-sauce console when said console clearly has quality games on it (Zelda, Metroid, Mario Galaxy, NMH, etc.). Hell, look at Persona 4; It was released when the PS3 and 360 were all the rage, yet that ended up being a quality game. Console power doesn't determine a game's quality, it's the developers that do.


Also, a strong engine doesn't necessarily mean more creative ideas, it simply means more support for older ideas (not to say that it never introduces creative ideas).

OoT was an amazing and revolutionary game that would not have been possible without the new 3d capability. There had been other 3D games at the time, and zelda had never chosen to be 3D before, but they decided that they had a lot to gain by utalizing a new technology.

New technologies give more freedom (and mroe burdens in quality) to developers.

[Mr. Wilhelm]

I want to add that more technology equal also less freedom, since it's less and less possible to do great game for cheap means, such as Wild Arms, Xenogears or Legend of Legaia.

Also while OoT was revolutionary and all (and overrated IMO), ALttP brought as much revolution to the Zelda serie (if not more) in staying 2D, years before OoT. A game can be revolutionary all while being on an inferior platform. The problem is that now revolutionary is summarized to the details of the graphics, or to how many peoples can kill each other on the same map with minimum lag. Sad.

[_EX]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wilhelm

I want to add that more technology equal also less freedom, since it's less and less possible to do great game for cheap means, such as Wild Arms, Xenogears or Legend of Legaia.

It gives it more potential. Especially for those who have the means to take advantage of that potential.

[Igshar]

*ignorantly comments without reading more than the last page of comments*

It's SE. I doubt they'd develop the game for the 360 unless it is multi with the PS3. PS3 is bigger in Japan than the 360 is. It's the reverse in North America, hence why FF13 is getting a 360 release here. A Japanese 360 version of the game would not sell nearly as much as a PS3 version. If it's done multi, it would effectively waste money because the majority of the Japanese consumers would purchase the PS3 version over the 360. :\

With what's being done with Fabula Nova Crystallis Final Fantasy XIII, I'm quite confident SE knows how to best take advantage of the Playstation 3. The KH team is working on Versus XIII, which will likely be used as a sort of tech testing for the team so they can then make better use of the system when developing Kingdom Hearts III.

I'd be immensely surprised if KH3 hits the Wii. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Mickey and/or Riku game(s) hitting the Wii, however.

[Shadow Soldier]

Tales of Vesperia sold out Xbox's in Japan, what makes you think KH3 won't do the same for the 360 considering the 360 is cheaper?


Also, ALttP wasn't as revolutionary as OoT. If you think about it, Super Mario World is just Super Mario Bros. but with better graphics and the inclusion of Yoshi. ALttP is The Legend of Zelda but with prettier graphics.

Super Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time were both revolutionary in terms of what the n64 could do. They didn't on the NES, as there were better looking games and what not on the console.

[Mr. Wilhelm]

Originally Posted by Shadow Soldier

Also, ALttP wasn't as revolutionary as OoT. If you think about it, Super Mario World is just Super Mario Bros. but with better graphics and the inclusion of Yoshi. ALttP is The Legend of Zelda but with prettier graphics.

Super Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time were both revolutionary in terms of what the n64 could do. They didn't on the NES, as there were better looking games and what not on the console.

There is no comparison between LoZ and ALttP. LoZ has just a hero, dungeons, enemies to kill, a sword, a damsel in distress, the very simple overworld and a few items. ALttP added much more to the serie than graphics. Plot (Triforce purpose, Ganondorf's backstory, Hyrule story more in depth, the Master Sword and the three pendants, etc), overworld full of secrets and very detailed, numerous side quests, the game being divided into two world, the seven sages plot part, the first Ocarina appearence, etc.

OoT reused most concepts from ALttP. The two world (Light/Darkness, Past/Futur), the seven sages, the three artifact to open the door to the Master Sword, finding the Sages in the second world, the Ocarina, and so on, OoT plot was even fully based on ALttP's backstory. OoT mainly added the 3D, and that's pretty much where it was revolutionary. It added a dimension to most concept created in ALttP, and evolved them, but any 3D games could have done as much, it didn't create most concept which were existing since ALttP, this is why I consider ALttP most revolutionary.

Originally Posted by _EX

It gives it more potential. Especially for those who have the means to take advantage of that potential.

I didn't say the contrary, but the point is that it takes possibility away, from doing for cheap wonderful games.

[Eraser Rain]

Originally Posted by Shadow Soldier

Eraser Rain, I love yer bewbs.

It's a damn shame I'm limited to 100x100. ;-;

Originally Posted by tevlen

OoT was an amazing and revolutionary game that would not have been possible without the new 3d capability. There had been other 3D games at the time, and zelda had never chosen to be 3D before, but they decided that they had a lot to gain by utalizing a new technology.

New technologies give more freedom (and mroe burdens in quality) to developers.

(not to say that it never introduces creative ideas).

Yes, better technology can help bring out new concepts, but it's not a necessity. For example, the Wiimote. Whether or not if it was appealing, you can't deny it was a new idea.

[luap911]

All KH games that followed Sora came out on the PS2. i.e. KH1, KH2, KH Re:CoM. CoM is the same as Re:CoM so it being on the GBA does not count, Re:CoM was the reboot.

All the side games have come out on Handhelds. i.e. Days and BBS.

KH3 will be release on PS3 and possibly the PS2 as in that the PS2 still has games but come out but less frequently than before the PS3 did. It would only make sense to do that.

With that the GBA and DS are Nintendo there is a small possibility that it might be made on the Wii but as I said that is a SMALL possibility, cause it is most likely that the GBA and DS got CoM and Days cause at the times of the individual releases they were the Most Popular handhelds, PSP isn't as big (But it gets BBS :D ).

The X-Box 360 is the least likely contender to get KH3 cause it has never even been related to it in any way. :23: Duh

[Shadow Soldier]

Originally Posted by luap911

The X-Box 360 is the least likely contender to get KH3 cause it has never even been related to it in any way. :23: Duh

What the fuck is the X-Box 360?