Xion Concern

[Zeagal]

Originally Posted by Rain

I really don't get what it's all about. Aqua'd hardly have to become Xion during BBS. With all the possibilities we know of, I find it likely that she wasn't even involved to begin the process until after Xehanort was born. So I really doubt BBS will show us anything conclusive about it. Maybe about the nature of Memories that would indicate the thing is possible

I agree here, it wouldn't work if she was involved that early.

and maybe, just maybe, if we're lucky (and the theory's true) then during the credit scenes we'll see how Aqua got there. Like, either she's exploring CO, or meeting up with Xehanort or something.

That's the sort of thing I'd expect flashbacks of in the end of Days. I suppose it could work either way at that point because if she was just exploring CO it wouldn't really give anything away for BBS, and it could actually help get anticipation up.

As for Days, they'd hardly have to go into Aqua even existing on that one. The identity issue could really be self contained, with Xion either never being truly properly explained, or just shrugged off as a nameless test subject or something. Implications will arise as to where she truly came from, I'd imagine, but it'd be silly to expect them to tie the two games that closely at this point in time.

If this were the case and Xion was still Aqua at the base level, then why even bother involving Aqua? That's the thing that gets me doubting a connection. If it truely does not tie them together Aqua being Xion wouldn't serve any purpose beyond her being there...replaceable.

I'm not sure even Coded's good enough to have them tie it up together, though with Xion being related to Sora's Memories and Coded being about the Journal and all, it's a likely possibility. I don't really see them being remotely able to even go there truly properly before KH3, though, with Aqua being Xion being kind of a major issue about her entrance in that game, be it as an active force or a retrospective character.

So are you saying that everything would be left rather openended to be fully explored in a later installment?

Call me bias which I probably am, but I really don't see why Xion being related to Aqua, even to the point of being Aqua, would interfere with anything.

They only way I see it not interfering is if, like you said, Xion never being properly explained as being Aqua. In which case I guess it makes sense not to explain if if it relates that closely to KH3. By then BBS and Coded would be done and KH3 could be used to tie everything together as if the three games separately appear to have no connection to each other taking KH3 to make those connections known.

TAV reunion in the Org. Is that too much to ask for? Probably.

I'd say KH3 reunion is more likely.

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Originally Posted by Zeagal

If this were the case and Xion was still Aqua at the base level, then why even bother involving Aqua? That's the thing that gets me doubting a connection. If it truely does not tie them together Aqua being Xion wouldn't serve any purpose beyond her being there...replaceable.

That would only be true for Days itself. Much like how in CoM, Namine being Kairi's Nobody doesn't really mean a thing. The plot and the Organization could've easily have her go after Memories of Kairi, regardless of whose Nobody she was, or her being a Nobody at all, when it comes down to it. She was lonely, and needed to somehow base herself in Sora's Heart. Once she did, she needed a way to get his mind off of her, and used Kairi to tell him he cared about Kairi more.
It's not until KH2 that Namine's true identity really played a part, now did it? You're not looking at the big picture.

So are you saying that everything would be left rather openended to be fully explored in a later installment?

In the hopes that KH3 won't fail as badly as KH2 did.

They only way I see it not interfering is if, like you said, Xion never being properly explained as being Aqua. In which case I guess it makes sense not to explain if if it relates that closely to KH3. By then BBS and Coded would be done and KH3 could be used to tie everything together as if the three games separately appear to have no connection to each other taking KH3 to make those connections known.

Mmhm. Much like how CoM wasn't explained further until KH2 came and shed some more light on Namine, and CO as a whole still isn't explained to this very day. The games aren't stand-alone.

I'd say KH3 reunion is more likely.

For TAV as TAV, yes. But I'm going more along the lines of "TAV through Xemnas, Roxas and Xion". Not really TAV, but TAV nonetheless.

[Zeagal]

Originally Posted by Rain

It's not until KH2 that Namine's true identity really played a part, now did it? You're not looking at the big picture.

Okay, thanks. I see how it wouldn't matter when you put it to the Namine situation, did they even reveal her as Kairi's nobody in COM? However the Namine Kairi deal isn't in the same level of involvment as Aqua being Xion is. You know what I mean? Kairi isn't really as much a part of Namine as Aqua would be of Xion.

Mmhm. Much like how CoM wasn't explained further until KH2 came and shed some more light on Namine, and CO as a whole still isn't explained to this very day. The games aren't stand-alone.

That's true but there's a difference from being stand-alone to Xion's situation being contained in Days. CO plays some role in Days granted it's during COM time, but still it's there. I don't see how her role could even be contained in Days if they wanted to and it's going to be pretty impossible then to contain something as important as Xion. Parts of her story have to spill over into other games, and that's not containment.

For TAV as TAV, yes. But I'm going more along the lines of "TAV through Xemnas, Roxas and Xion". Not really TAV, but TAV nonetheless.

It's funny when you see Xemnas standing behind Roxas and Xion in that one picture and think of it being TAV. Xemnas looks pretty pedo.

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Originally Posted by Zeagal

Okay, thanks. I see how it wouldn't matter when you put it to the Namine situation, did they even reveal her as Kairi's nobody in COM? However the Namine Kairi deal isn't in the same level of involvment as Aqua being Xion is. You know what I mean? Kairi isn't really as much a part of Namine as Aqua would be of Xion.

You're saying that based on assumptions as to
1) what Xion is, and how that would affect a possible relation to Aqua
2) Xion's story, and Days' story.
And you're right, if we want to go with my favorite Xion = Aqua theory, Namine and Kairi aren't alike.
Then again, Kairi was accounted for, while Aqua isn't. So that's one thing less to worry about to have them explain.

That's true but there's a difference from being stand-alone to Xion's situation being contained in Days.

Because Namine's situation was contained in CoM? We're only now starting to see the true impact of what she's done, and probably what she even is. Why should Xion be any different?

I don't see how her role could even be contained in Days if they wanted to and it's going to be pretty impossible then to contain something as important as Xion. Parts of her story have to spill over into other games, and that's not containment.

I never said it had to be contained. Just that they could show us enough to not have to bother with too many details inside Days itself.

It's funny when you see Xemnas standing behind Roxas and Xion in that one picture and think of it being TAV. Xemnas looks pretty pedo.

He is a pedo.

[Zeagal]

Originally Posted by Rain

You're saying that based on assumptions as to
1) what Xion is, and how that would affect a possible relation to Aqua
2) Xion's story, and Days' story.

I didn't mean it as fact, but off of assumption sorry.

And you're right, if we want to go with my favorite Xion = Aqua theory, Namine and Kairi aren't alike. Then again, Kairi was accounted for, while Aqua isn't. So that's one thing less to worry about to have them explain.

There's too many other things to explain though if Xion and Aqua would be connected, the time gap for instance. Though if they went down the road of Aqua being an experiment from early on then that's off the list too.

I never said it had to be contained. Just that they could show us enough to not have to bother with too many details inside Days itself.

You said the identity issue could be contained though and I don't see how that's possible because with the way you said it as her never being fully explained that's not what I call contained. Especially if it gets explained later.

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Well, it depends really on what you wanna call as 'identity issue' in which case I admit my words got jumbled on this thread XD;
They could explore Xion's lack of identity without truly exposing who she really is or how precisely she got there. That could be tied to Aqua in later installments (later for us, not necessarily the games' time line), with the main point of her identity crisis that sent Roxas out of the org being contained inside Days.
IS what I meant.

[Zeagal]

Thanks for that clarification. I imagine that would have to be how it goes possibly with her not even being revealed as Xion in the game, but that would sort of ruin the surprise. However I still am uneasy that she's turning into Sora, well looks wise, if she's Aqua under all that...but meh I can't really explain it. Just how I feel.

[Avens]

Xion is turning into Sora? Is this from the scene where she's on the clocktower with Roxas, or am I missing something else?

[Zeagal]

Yes in the scene on the clocktower in the recent commercials she appears to resemble Sora more than previous times she was shown.

[Avens]

Because of her hands? (1:43)
HEARTSTATION.ORG Tokyo Game Show 2008 Days Trailer Report

or because of her hidden face? (0:06)
YouTube - Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days Commercial 5/21

[Zeagal]

It's her face at the 5 second point in the commercial that looks like Sora.

[3-D]

hmm...

how does Xion=Aqua make sense?

[Zeagal]

You serious? You should definately consider reading the OP again. Proving that Xion=Aqua does make sense isn't the point of this thread, for that you need to research the theories on your own.

[Izayoi]

Originally Posted by Zeagal

Yes in the scene on the clocktower in the recent commercials she appears to resemble Sora more than previous times she was shown.

Well I found Kairi to look sorta like Sora in the first places, ergo this relationship. It's the blue eyes and facial structure thing.

[3-D]

Originally Posted by Zeagal

You serious? You should definately consider reading the OP again. Proving that Xion=Aqua does make sense isn't the point of this thread, for that you need to research the theories on your own.

oops, mybad i misinterpreted what the thread was asking

but uhm, i believe if she(Aqua) is Xion, days will make it so you will understand the majority of how it happened, and BBS will complete the loose ends(why it happened) and or tell us what we already knew

better?