KH3 players

[Allister Rose]

Originally Posted by Rain

And when Sora himself was in cut-scenes, he killed Nobodies with a single swing of his Keyblade just fine, when mere seconds before the same lone Dusk almost killed his entire party.
Leave it as her fighting off Shadow Heartless and forgive them for not having her slay off Behemoths.



I see them throwing in either one or more of TAV into the mix, if not Mickey. Go all out if they wanna go with multiple scenarios, though that seems to be more of a "non-numbered title" thing.



Good reason as to why:
Strawberries and Fairy Wings - The Princess and her Shadow
Discussing the hate:
http://forums.khinsider.com/fanclubs...hate-club.html
Discussing the love:
http://forums.khinsider.com/fanclubs...i-fanclub.html
And that's as far as that's going to go down in this topic.

well your right it doesnt sound kh3-ish to me. hopefully (if on ps3) you can buy some extra features on the playstation network

[Smile]

Originally Posted by Axelmarmar

like she's a powerpuff girl without powers).

Actually, with her being a PoH, she arguably could be the most powerful of them all yet. She purified Sora of being a Heartless for fuck's sake, and the other PoHs held the great Darkness at bay.
They just crashed and burned with the PoHs plot wise thus far. Here's to hoping BBS'll fix it, be it by turning them into kidnapped girls again only this time with a reason, if not have them all be kick ass Deus Ex Machina.

She fought heartless alongside Riku to "help" Sora.

It was more to keep Riku from dying while he protected her all the time. Numbers would've pulled him down eventually.

Point is she shouldn't be part of a trio.

Hence why in the KH2 secret ending, TAV picked up Mickey's Keyblade along with Sora and Riku's.

[DestinyKid]

Originally Posted by Axelmarmar

Not nessasarily. When Kairi was given the keyblade by Riku, she was killing heartless with one swing of the keyblade. Of course this pissed me off when I was still using 3 or 4 hits before the heartless would die.

I hated that as well, but if she is playable then that would mean Character switches, right?

Originally Posted by Rain

Notice how both are anime? And even then the trio structure doesn't always really works.
FFVII didn't have a leading trio.
FFIX didn't have a leading trio like that.
The leading trio in FFX seems to be girls. Ok FFX2 but still.
Tales Of don't have trios.
Chrono games didn't have trios.
:I
About the only thing that really comes to mind is Naruto. Most other stories have bigger 'social units'.

Here's some more: Bakugan, Rogue Galaxy(Point, it's from Square Enix), Harry Potter Series. Can't think of more, srry!

Originally Posted by Rain

Actually, with her being a PoH, she arguably could be the most powerful of them all yet. She purified Sora of being a Heartless for fuck's sake, and the other PoHs held the great Darkness at bay.

don't forget she is also one of the Seven Princesses, so of course she has powers!

They just crashed and burned with the PoHs plot wise thus far. Here's to hoping BBS'll fix it, be it by turning them into kidnapped girls again only this time with a reason, if not have them all be kick ass Deus Ex Machina.

[/quote] if they were to stop doing that then there would really be no climax to the Story, now would there?(another point)

It was more to keep Riku from dying while he protected her all the time. Numbers would've pulled him down eventually.



Hence why in the KH2 secret ending, TAV picked up Mickey's Keyblade along with Sora and Riku's.[/quote]

[destinykh]

don't forget she is also one of the Seven Princesses, so of course she has powers!

We would not know until BBS is released. Yes, the POHs have the ability to hold back the darkness, but so far they have no real offensive powers that we know of. What we see of the POHs for now are girls with a unique condition since birth and have intimate connections with the power of light to hold back darkness, but it is unknown whether this ability will manifest as actual combative or defensive powers.

And please present your quotes properly. It can confuse people.

[roXas_shadow]

That's what i don't understand is that there are for all we know is seven pure hearted maidens with the power to reject the darkness. To be so powerful KH wise there pretty useless even minnie has light based attacks to defend herself.

[Deep-Wonder]

I think SRK would be very interesting. Kairi, I think, is sorely underdeveloped and it would be cool if she could fight in the third game. She's a princess of heart though, which is where it gets difficult. Her heart is supposed to be pure light, as a writer, I'd have a bitch of a time trying to characterize her through conflict. Without a dark side, there's only so deep her character could be. I'm not even sure if she's capable of fighting besides knocking shadows on the head.

[Smile]

Arguably, PoHs can get pretty nasty. Kairi herself has had several debatable moments in which she was anything but a pure, kind-hearted little lady. It's just that unlike Riku in KH1, the PoHs can't use the Darkness to 'excuse' their behavior - anything and everything they do, is their own fault - at least until a concept arises where they're being "Blinded by the Light", and then expect to see Kairi go bat-shit crazy on Riku's ass.
That would, however, land her in the antagonist seat rather than the party-member's seat, but it'd certainly deal with her lack of development.

[Deep-Wonder]

I suppose it is natural to assume that someone made of pure light would be perfect all the time. Of course, in practice, it wouldn't make sense. Sympathy for characters usually draws from their internal struggles. Darkness is a part of everyone. Without darkness, it is understandable that Kairi is 1-D right now.

However, I think that her character can be explored further (as I'm sure it will be) in KH3. Her being a party member would be interesting. In most fiction, our "dark side" is responsible for our strength and ability to survive. In KH, however, strength seems to take the form of both darkness and light. There's no reason Kairi can't fight.

[Smile]

Originally Posted by DeepWonder

I suppose it is natural to assume that someone made of pure light would be perfect all the time.

And yet the PoHs we do get to see being mostly Jasmine, Belle, and Kairi, disprove that. Belle's hard headed and I dare say violent. Jasmine in KH1 is her movie's spitting image, and we all know that to be rather a bratty thing. And Kairi, well. Even if we say that's her age's fault she couldn't care less about Riku, being a childhood friend of hers. Sweet.
Even if in KH1 we thought that, for some reason, that's when CoM came along with its "Darkness doesn't have to be evil" concept, which would pretty naturally draw out the conclusion that the opposite is true too - Light doesn't have to be 'good'.
Here's to hoping they remember Disney can at times be dark, too, and not mess this up.

Of course, in practice, it wouldn't make sense. Sympathy for characters usually draws from their internal struggles. Darkness is a part of everyone. Without darkness, it is understandable that Kairi is 1-D right now.

And yet if you look at her relationship with Riku (being nonexistent for the most part but still), a lot of people end up disliking and resenting her for it - despite being of Pure Light, and possibly because of it.
Is there a struggle? Probably not, but again - she's not really a perfect little Princess, and there is a lot they could explore with her - it's just that they didn't. The most attention she gets throughout the games is in KH2 when Donald and Goofy - who probably never spent a while to have a decent conversation with her - try to supposedly cheer Sora up about her being his sweetheart still, when SoKai as a whole is loosely based if we say there's romance there beyond friendship.
Kairi being a PoH isn't why she's a 1-D character right now. It's because she's supposed to be SoRiku's yaoi shield, but they forgot that for that to happen, they need to do more than just go 'ya they're together, now enjoy the KH2 reunion scenes and the blatant SoRiku scenes at the end'.

However, I think that her character can be explored further (as I'm sure it will be) in KH3.

with their track record, I have to say I personally doubt it.
In KH1, she was a presence, not a character. Everything we truly know about her we got not even from Sora and Riku, but from Jiminy's journal, which doesn't really seem to live up to reality.
In CoM, she was unexistent, and I personally find it impossible to believe Namine really replaced Kairi in Sora's Memories. It was more so "in with Namine, out with Kairi", so even then we didn't really learn anything about her. Not like we could say "look at Sora's Memories of Namine - now just switch her with Kairi", because the Memories we did get to see were the ones Kairi fit into the least.
And then in KH2, when we finally actually did get to see Kairi, what we got to see was a girl that had a supposed friend of her "take care of himself" despite being missing for two grueling years or so, but she wrote a letter in a bottle to a guy who might not have existed, and the instant she remembers he did exist, 'waiting isn't good enough'. She's portrayed to be rather a selfish, blinded with love girl, and I find that to be rather repulsive. How sad that that's what they chose to show when they finally showed her.

My expectations of Kairi in KH3 is that when she gets kidnapped this time, it'll be for a reason better than because Axel was gay for Roxas and a general pedo.
If they go beyond that, wonderful, but I'm not holding my breath.

In most fiction, our "dark side" is responsible for our strength and ability to survive. In KH, however, strength seems to take the form of both darkness and light. There's no reason Kairi can't fight.

Aside from the concept. She's a PoHs, and it's not their place to fight. If they do get her to fight, they're actually admitting that the role they supposedly had made for her for the entirety of the series up to this point (which would be... all of it, seeing how we're talking about a possible KH3) was a big fat lie that they screwed up with.
If they end up having her fight, I'd swallow it.
If they end up giving her a Keyblade, someone dies.
If they end up having her fight because she's blinded by the Light, I'll adore them eternally and it would certainly explain why it seemed like she and Riku didn't like each other too much - she was naturally rejecting him because she's a PoH and he fell to Darkness. Comes the redemption scene for her we'll get to see her acting a bit weak and fragile and sensitive and going through an actual inner conflict.
In short, she'll go with the Light through what Riku's been through with the Darkness - and he's just about the best character in the game, build wise.

Again, though, I'll just be happy if they'll kidnap her for a good reason this time.

[Laz]

kh I:Sora, riku, kairi/sora, donald, goofy
BBS: Aqua, terra, ven
Days:roxas, xion, axe
follow the pattern and see

[Smile]

Originally Posted by roXasisven

kh I:Sora, riku, kairi/sora, donald, goofy
BBS: Aqua, terra, ven
Days:roxas, xion, axe
follow the pattern and see

You're confusing "social" three-somes and party threesomes. SRK are supposed to be a social threesome, but they failed with that. Riku's a loner that occasionally goes with Mickey, and Sora's in a party with Donald and Goofy.
TAV are a social three-some but they're party loners.
And RAX are a social three-some but they're part of an organization that has 14 members.

In short - no pattern to follow :\

[Shinra X-2]

Originally Posted by Freedom

kiari should get her own keyblade that would be so awesome i want to beat up heartless with her

She did remember? In KH2!

[Smile]

Originally Posted by Oblivion fenrir

She did remember? In KH2!

...a Keyblade Riku pulled out of thing air, and that meant nothing to Xemnas when he hailed out to the wielders of the Keyblade.
Nomura saying Riku handed the 'WtD' to Kairi in Another Report aside since I know that for some reason, people like to disagree with that phrasing, I think the simple context of the scene would show it's not Kairi's Keyblade.
Duel Wielding has been done before. Why not have it be done again?

[Deep-Wonder]

Kairi can be seen as a plot device more than a character. She is largely Sora's motivation and the cause of some tension between him and Riku. Her role as a princess of heart in the KH universe also makes her difficult to relate to. I agree that Riku is an excellent character, from a technical standpoint. It is unfortunate that his role is often "off-screen" or otherwise unknown to the player. This is why I would enjoy seeing Riku and Sora fight side by side for a whole game. And who knows, Kairi might surprise us.

The ending of KH2, where they open the letter from King Mickey (presumably), shows them reading it together. This, to me, seems to send a message that Sora's friends will be more directly involved in KH3. While I think Donald and Goofy will continue to be Sora's party members; SRK isn't that outlandish a notion.

[Memory Master]

Originally Posted by Rain

Arguably, PoHs can get pretty nasty. Kairi herself has had several debatable moments in which she was anything but a pure, kind-hearted little lady. It's just that unlike Riku in KH1, the PoHs can't use the Darkness to 'excuse' their behavior - anything and everything they do, is their own fault - at least until a concept arises where they're being "Blinded by the Light", and then expect to see Kairi go bat-shit crazy on Riku's ass.
That would, however, land her in the antagonist seat rather than the party-member's seat, but it'd certainly deal with her lack of development.

I just imagine Kairi walking up to Riku and slapping him, "Stupid darkness boy!" She says before walking off acting like a bitch.

Seriously though, I can imagine Xehanort using Kairi for a number of evil plans. One example comes from KH2:

"Your're the fire that feeds Sora's anger" - Saix to Kairi

"Maybe the darkness has gotten to me too." - Sora talking to himelf in the dark coast line

Xehanort could use Kairi to twist Sora into giving into his anger and becoming evil. Or as you have said Kairi could be blinded by the light and try to destroy the darkness.