Official KH3/Console War Thread

[TheMuffinMan]

Well, for one, which console is succeeding in "offering" the most is completely subjective, unless you want to whip me up a graph of the exact quantification of what the consoles are "offering". And for two, what console is "offering" is certainly not what you have been spouting for the past several pages, you were moreso to the tune of "the PS3 is leading the Wii in sales this year". Which, as I've pointed out, is completely incorrect.

[Karate]

Originally Posted by Raiden

Wtf?! Yes Money does matter, hwoever Wii was the CHEAPEST Console so its common sense it was going to lead because everyone who couldn't afford the two consoles but the cheapest one thats not even an HD system. When you compare a Wii to a ps3 and 360 sir, the Wii sucks.

If that's the case, then the PS2 sucked.

The Cube was more powerful than the PS2. Not only that, buit it was cheaper.

Your calling it the worse console when its outselling the Wii this year? Maybe if you don't notice, the Wiii is starting to lose its grip, like they said when Wii came out, its only going to be a fad, looks like it was true,

Whoever "they" is, they're wrong.
Wii is only still a year old. Not to mention that its library of games, when complete, will dwarf 360 and PS3 combined thrice over. Old NES, SNES, 64 and any other platform games Nintendo made will be able for download at a later date.

That was the main point of everyone getting the Wii/Revolution at it's announcement. More people were interested in the Nintendo events and conferences that Sony's.

More people bought the Wii.

How can you say that it sucked, when it beats rapes destroyes PS3's predecessor, which did better than the PS3 did. I've onl seen 3 consoles that flopped as hard as PS3 did:

Phantom
DreamCast
Sega Saturn

And DreamCast is on that list because PS2 did to it, what Wii is doing to PS3.

Oh, and on top of it all, there was a Gundam game near the PS3's release. It looked like a PS1 game that got ported to PS2 too late, so they bumped it to 3. That game was an abomination. It looked like the 64 ate Legend of Dragoon and barfed, resulting in the afformentioned game.

Yes because its competing with the two other consoles make it the 7th next gen war, HOWEVER, the Wii lacks any power to bne call a 7th gen system. Its just a upgraded ps2 dress up like a MAC =/.

Wii>Cube>PS2.

The Wii COMPARED to 360 and PS3 makes it the worse consoles. =_=

You're talking about processing power. Did you not even pat attention to Ken Kutaragi when he said that they're not concentrating on processing power? They were focusing on gameplay. And for that, they kicked the shit oput of PS3.

Graphics do not make the console.

And yet even though the Wii is selling more, Its hardly keeping up with whats offering more compared to its competitors.

Wii's library of games will make 360 and PS3 combined bow. NES, SNES, GB, GBC, GBC, VB games will all be available for later download. Thusly rendering that statement irrelevant.

[Raiden]

Well, for one, which console is succeeding in "offering" the most is completely subjective. And for two, what console is "offering" is certainly not what you have been spouting for the past several pages, you were moreso to the tune of "the PS3 is leading the Wii in sales this year". Which, as I've pointed out, is completely incorrect.

Compared to how the Xox360 and the ps3 are offering, its likely the PS3 will win this one if you really want to argue with me about that. 2: After checking Wiki it seems I was indeed incorrect on te sale, however sales isn't what actually makes a winner, not by a long shot. Considering the fact the Wii is like a baby compared to the other two, offering no down loadable content or even play MP3 files or videos, and lacks even space with "Blocks" I'm guessing if you want to buy a cheap system, you get the cheap features that offers no HD.

So unless you want to discuss with me back to my original topic on how the number 1 console is better then the ps3, be my guest6. However lets not put the economic aside since it win in that yet that clearly doesn't make a winner. In this generation when you compare the Wii to Ps3 and xbox360, it sits in the bottom.

If that's the case, then the PS2 sucked.

The Cube was more powerful than the PS2. Not only that, buit it was cheaper.

Nah the ps2 didn't suck, it just offered better games while the Cube wasn't a huge success.

And DreamCast is on that list because PS2 did to it, what Wii is doing to PS3.

Oh, and on top of it all, there was a Gundam game near the PS3's release. It looked like a PS1 game that got ported to PS2 too late, so they bumped it to 3. That game was an abomination. It looked like the 64 ate Legend of Dragoon and barfed, resulting in the afformentioned game.

Dont get ahead of yourself, the Dreamcast lost due to being outsolde by the ps2 that had better games. Wii compared to a ps3 is shit, and by the way, when your talking about a gundam game, your talking about namco bandai, who are very bad at making goood games, whats your point?

You're talking about processing power. Did you not even pat attention to Ken Kutaragi when he said that they're not concentrating on processing power? They were focusing on gameplay. And for that, they kicked the shit oput of PS3.

Graphics do not make the console.

Right game play, lets take a look at that?

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action
/starwars2007/index.html (Ps3)

Star Wars: The Force Unleashed for WII - Star Wars: The Force Unleashed Wii - Star Wars: The Force Unleashed WII Game (Wii)


Provide your evidence please?

[Karate]

No downloadable content? Read my post. Also, Wiiware.

[T-M]

Originally Posted by Karate

Wii is only still a year old. Not to mention that its library of games, when complete, will dwarf 360 and PS3 combined thrice over. Old NES, SNES, 64 and any other platform games Nintendo made will be able for download at a later date.

Not to mention that every and all official GameCube games are backwards-compatible on the Wii.

Compared to how the Xox360 and the ps3 are offering, its likely the PS3 will win this one if you really want to argue with me about that. 2: After checking Wiki it seems I was indeed incorrect on te sale, however sales isn't what actually makes a winner, not by a long shot. Considering the fact the Wii is like a baby compared to the other two, offering no down loadable content or even play MP3 files or videos, and lacks even space with "Blocks" I'm guessing if you want to buy a cheap system, you get the cheap features that offers no HD.

So unless you want to discuss with me back to my original topic on how the number 1 console is better then the ps3, be my guest6. However lets not put the economic aside since it win in that yet that clearly doesn't make a winner. In this generation when you compare the Wii to Ps3 and xbox360, it sits in the bottom.

The Wii does have downloadable content. Ever heard of WiiWare and Virtual Console? Obviously not.

And being the most popular gaming console in the world DOES make it the winner, for now.

[SuperLink]

The "president" of Nintendo has nothing to do with Wii Music compared to Miyamoto, and Miyamoto is working on the next Pikmin and Zelda games, so I have no idea where you got that from. -.- Wii Music is just a toy anyway, it's not a game.

Next year, the new Zelda and Pikmin will probably be officially revealed, along with the probably StarFox, F-Zero and Kirby games people have been wanting for so long.

XBOX was much stronger than PS2, but PS2 is still one of the best consoles ever, you know why? Because of the games it had, and the support it had. Wii is this gen's PS2, because it's the market leader and the casual console. It will get the most games, especially because of the cheap production costs, and Wii came out AFTER PS3 on most of the planet.

Sales

Wii is nearly 10mil ahead of 360, and 360 is over 5mil ahead of PS3... The difference between 360 and PS3 is currently bigger than the difference between GC and XBOX... GC never caught up, because support continued to wane. PS3 continues to lose exclusives, most recently FFXIII, which was a big loss.

PLEASE use aggregate scores if you're gonna look at review scores.

You're better off not at all though. Review scores just don't work. You can't "measure" how good a game is because everyone has different preferences.

[T-M]

Originally Posted by SuperLink

XBOX was much stronger than PS2

Don't forget that the GameCube was much stronger than the PS2 as well.

And I agree with you wholeheartedly. The Wii is the 7th Generation's PS2.
Weaker in power compared the 360 and PS3, but overall more popular.

Originally Posted by RikuOwnsKeyblade

Are people being serious about being the Wii being better than the PS3 or 360?

Sales seem to prove that, so yes.

[TheMuffinMan]

Compared to how the Xox360 and the ps3 are offering, its likely the PS3 will win this one if you really want to argue with me about that.

If the most powerful console always won, why didn't the Xbox 1? Why didn't the Sega Dreamcast? Why didn't the N64? Why didn't the Sega Gamegear? Why didn'tthe Turbo-GrafX-16? All of them were significantly more powerful and offered more features and capabilities then the console that actually "won" those generations. What was the difference? The winning consoles were fun, offered something special, offered the library of games that made them start selling like hotcakes. Once the ball got rolling, there was nothing stopping the PS2. There was nothing stopping the Gameboy Color. There was nothing stopping the Super Nintendo.

And now there's nothing stopping the Wii.

2: After checking Wiki it seems I was indeed incorrect on te sale, however sales isn't what actually makes a winner, not by a long shot.

Considering that's what the Sony camp has been spouting since the PS1 generation, that Sony's superior sales of the PS1/2 made them undefeatable, it didn't matter if the N64 and Gamecube still had their own collection of rgeat games and offerings, it was all about "100 million sold!" "Doesn't matter, PS1/2 is outselling it 2:1!"

Considering the fact the Wii is like a baby compared to the other two, offering no down loadable content or even play MP3 files or videos, and lacks even space with "Blocks" I'm guessing if you want to buy a cheap system, you get the cheap features that offers no HD.

I'm sorry, what? There are several Wii titles that offer downloadble content, the Wii has an MP3 playing channel released already, and "blocks" are no different then MBs or GBs, it's just the term that Nintendo has used since the N64 days, it's a trademark.

[SuperLink]

Bytheway. I for one don't believe Wii is the greatest console of the gen. I think DS is, but on the home consoles I'll reserve judgement because I havn't gotten all the love out of my 360 yet. Braid is awesome though.

I don't think sales prove the Wii is "superior" either, but I think it's insane for hardcore gamers to not own a 360 or Wii, because they:

a) Are really cheap
b) Have loads of good games
c) Are game consoles

Anti-anything for the lose.

Sales do imply quality. Halo and GTA do have quality, it doesn't mean they're the best, but obviously they were good enough to attract media and hardcore gamer attention.

Unfortunately Mario Galaxy wasn't as overrated overpopular successful as them.

[T-M]

Originally Posted by RikuOwnsKeyblade

Not always.

50 Cent: Bulletproof and NFS.

Bulletproof sucked more than 50 Cent's movie did.

[SuperLink]

Those are who we call chavs and casual gamers. (not saying the 2 are the same mind you...)

REALLY acclaimed games get sales way above those.

[Karate]

Originally Posted by Raiden

Compared to how the Xox360 and the ps3 are offering, its likely the PS3 will win this one if you really want to argue with me about that. 2: After checking Wiki it seems I was indeed incorrect on te sale, however sales isn't what actually makes a winner, not by a long shot. Considering the fact the Wii is like a baby compared to the other two, offering no down loadable content or even play MP3 files or videos, and lacks even space with "Blocks" I'm guessing if you want to buy a cheap system, you get the cheap features that offers no HD.

Because that's not the point of Wii.

So unless you want to discuss with me back to my original topic on how the number 1 console is better then the ps3, be my guest6. However lets not put the economic aside since it win in that yet that clearly doesn't make a winner. In this generation when you compare the Wii to Ps3 and xbox360, it sits in the bottom.

You're talking about features that Wii are not offering. And they're not offering because they're not focued on such things.

Nah the ps2 didn't suck, it just offered better games while the Cube wasn't a huge success.

No, going by what you're saying, Cube is better. I'm using your own "logic" against you.

Dont get ahead of yourself, the Dreamcast lost due to being outsolde by the ps2 that had better games.

That's what I said.
PS2 did to DC what Wii is doing to PS3. Outselling it, thusly leaving it nowhere to go. The only difference is that PS3 isn't as bad a position that DC was in.

Wii compared to a ps3 is shit

In which manner do you mean, because you're not being specific.

and by the way, when your talking about a gundam game, your talking about namco bandai, who are very bad at making goood games, whats your point?

The point is that the graphics don't make the game.

Right game play, lets take a look at that?

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action
/starwars2007/index.html (Ps3)

Star Wars: The Force Unleashed for WII - Star Wars: The Force Unleashed Wii - Star Wars: The Force Unleashed WII Game (Wii)

Provide your evidence please?

That was irrelevant, nor do I care enough to click. You just fail for even missing what I was saying.

[Raiden]

Not to mention that every and all official GameCube games are backwards-compatible on the Wii

Same with PS3?

The Wii does have downloadable content. Ever heard of WiiWare and Virtual Console? Obviously not.

And being the most popular gaming console in the world DOES make it the winner, for now

Wii ware and Virtual consoles.... >_O

The Wii can only support focus on putting virtual games and such yet again compared to the other two, it sucks.

Re: kh3 platforms?
The "president" of Nintendo has nothing to do with Wii Music compared to Miyamoto, and Miyamoto is working on the next Pikmin and Zelda games, so I have no idea where you got that from. -.- Wii Music is just a toy anyway, it's not a game.

Next year, the new Zelda and Pikmin will probably be officially revealed, along with the probably StarFox, F-Zero and Kirby games people have been wanting for so long.

XBOX was much stronger than PS2, but PS2 is still one of the best consoles ever, you know why? Because of the games it had, and the support it had. Wii is this gen's PS2, because it's the market leader and the casual console. It will get the most games, especially because of the cheap production costs, and Wii came out AFTER PS3 on most of the planet.

I doubt it Lol. Soul caliber chronicles compared to Soul caliber 4, I doubt the one for Wii will be better.

Wii is nearly 10mil ahead of 360, and 360 is over 5mil ahead of PS3... The difference between 360 and PS3 is currently bigger than the difference between GC and XBOX... GC never caught up, because support continued to wane. PS3 continues to lose exclusives, most recently FFXIII, which was a big loss.

PLEASE use aggregate scores if you're gonna look at review scores.

You're better off not at all though. Review scores just don't work. You can't "measure" how good a game is because everyone has different preferences.

FF13 wasn't a big loss because people are still going buy it more on the PS3 due to having the full experience of the game, know your stuff. Also these are accurate scores, everyone has there own opinion but please don't be in denial, I compared the game play between a Wii and a ps3, and the result is what I expected, the Wii having a weaker gameplay. =/

Sales seem to prove that, so yes.

Again sales do not decide a winner, the Wii is winning because it was cheaper then the rest yet it power lacks compared to the ps3 and 360. If you were to ask anyone which system is better Wii or PS3, I know ps3 going to be the obvious answer.

Edit: If the Wii is the number one console, how come game are selling more on the PS3 and 360 then the Wii?

If the most powerful console always won, why didn't the Xbox 1? Why didn't the Sega Dreamcast? Why didn't the N64? Why didn't the Sega Gamegear? Why didn'tthe Turbo-GrafX-16? All of them were significantly more powerful and offered more features and capabilities then the console that actually "won" those generations. What was the difference? The winning consoles were fun, offered something special, offered the library of games that made them start selling like hotcakes. Once the ball got rolling, there was nothing stopping the PS2. There was nothing stopping the Gameboy Color. There was nothing stopping the Super Nintendo.

And now there's nothing stopping the Wii.

Wtf? The N64 got killed by Playstation. The Dreamcast got killed by by ps2 and the xbox got destroyed by the ps2 as well. What your saying make no sense on how your actually asking why didn't this system won without actually thinking which system it competing against . The Playstation 2 was one of the most expensive system out there compared to the Nintendo gamecube which was cheaper yet its graphics were "better" . The Gameboy Color was just an enhance version of the original gameboy, competing with portable consoles like Sega, it lost because Gameboy Color only feature was the ending of its name, nothing else, Sega portable offered more games and it was awesome at the time.

I'm sorry, what? There are several Wii titles that offer downloadble content, the Wii has an MP3 playing channel released already, and "blocks" are no different then MBs or GBs, it's just the term that Nintendo has used since the N64 days, it's a trademark.

Yet it lacks space against its competitors. Also what is this MP3 channel, show me.

And of course, sales mean quality.

LMAO, by that logic, Halo 3 and GTA IV are some of the best games ever! xD

HA! Even if the Wii is selling more, theirs titles are not keeping up with their competitors, Poor Wii. Good job there man, I give you props


Edit

Because that's not the point of Wii

Yet thats what gamers want most.

No, going by what you're saying, Cube is better. I'm using your own "logic" against you.

Why because Cube has better graphics even though games like Final fantasy X and God of War 2 made it look like shit?

That was irrelevant, nor do I care enough to click. You just fail for even missing what I was saying.

Wait, if you don't care to click nor are you providing me evidence that the Wii has better gameplay then the ps3, then shut up already. Unless you can prove to me that the PS3 all about graphics and not game play, then give me a game the ps3 had a sucky game of gameplay for both the Wii and PS3 and then we'll talk. For now, dont mention gameplay unless you have prove to back it up.

In which manner do you mean, because you're not being specific.

Graphics
Game play
Games
Hardware
Disk format
Features
D-content
Online
Video format

ETC

The point is that the graphics don't make the gam

Then back up your talk and show me a game that Wii game play outmatches the ps3's gameplay.

[SuperLink]

Originally Posted by Raiden

Same with PS3?

Yeah except the quality is actually good.

Wii ware and Virtual consoles.... >_O

The Wii can only support focus on putting virtual games and such yet again compared to the other two, it sucks.

You don't know what you're talking about. Wii has dlc, and downloadable games. There.

I doubt it Lol. Soul caliber chronicles compared to Soul caliber 4, I doubt the one for Wii will be better.

Where the hell did I say SoulCalibur Legends was better than SCIV? SCIV kinda sucks anyway but it's way better than Legends.

FF13 wasn't a big loss because people are still going buy it more on the PS3 due to having the full experience of the game, know your stuff. Also these are accurate scores, everyone has there own opinion but please don't be in denial, I compared the game play between a Wii and a ps3, and the result is what I expected, the Wii having a weaker gameplay. =/

I actually lol'd. "know my stuff"? Considering I'm a multiplatform gamer who owns nearly every console in the gen, and you didn't even know how the Wii's dlc worked and how XBOX LIVE worked... I just lol'd.

And "full experience of the game"? Puh-leaze. 360 is so marginally weaker than the PS3 there won't BE a difference. Wii does NOT have weaker gameplay, because Mario Galaxy is better than every PS3 game in existence. Anything you say in defense is still mere opinion, just like mine.

Again sales do not decide a winner, the Wii is winning because it was cheaper then the rest yet it power lacks compared to the ps3 and 360. If you were to ask anyone which system is better Wii or PS3, I know ps3 going to be the obvious answer.

Edit: If the Wii is the number one console, how come game are selling more on the PS3 and 360 then the Wii?

lol, because you were talking about PS3 leading in sales this year, and now you're suddenly saying they don't matter? PS3 IS a better console than the Wii, power wise, but that does not make the console. The games do. Wii has better games than PS3. And Wii's games are selling much better too.

sales

FFS stop making crap up.

Wtf? The N64 got killed by Playstation. The Dreamcast got killed by by ps2 and the xbox got destroyed by the ps2 as well. What your saying make no sense on how your actually asking why didn't this system won without actually thinking which system it competing against . The Playstation 2 was one of the most expensive system out there compared to the Nintendo gamecube which was cheaper yet its graphics were "better" . The Gameboy Color was just an enhance version of the original gameboy, competing with portable consoles like Sega, it lost because Gameboy Color only feature was the ending of its name, nothing else, Sega portable offered more games and it was awesome at the time.

It's true. The more powerful consoles NEVER win anymore. XBOX lost, N64 lost, SEGA Gamegear lost, and now PS3 is losing too. It's all about the marketing and the games.

Yet it lacks space against its competitors. Also what is this MP3 channel, show me.

Wii Menu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not an MP3 Channel but i can sure as hell play MP3s...

I can't be bothered with the rest of your post, you're just being ignorant and I'll have to repeat myself.

EDIT: And to stop you going on about the gameplay bullshit, because nothing else proves more than this, especially since gameplay is such a relative thing:

Game Rankings - Rankings - Video Game Reviews, Release Dates, Cheat Codes

2 Wii titles in the top 30, and 1 PS3 title, which is also available on 360.

[Raiden]

Yeah except the quality is actually good

Quality aye,You must be kidding right, considering games like God of War2 and FFx Make gamecube games look like shit,. <--- I just repeated myself

You don't know what you're talking about. Wii has dlc, and downloadable games. There.

PS3 has Downloadable wallpapers, Episodes for games, bonus costumes and maps for games, and provides downloadable games

I actually lol'd. "know my stuff"? Considering I'm a multiplatform gamer who owns nearly every console in the gen, and you didn't even know how the Wii's dlc worked and how XBOX LIVE worked... I just lol'd.

And "full experience of the game"? Puh-leaze. 360 is so marginally weaker than the PS3 there won't BE a difference. Wii does NOT have weaker gameplay, because Mario Galaxy is better than every PS3 game in existence. Anything you say in defense is still mere opinion, just like mine.

Mario Galaxy is one of the best games on the Wii, Metal gear solid 4 created by LEGENDARY game designer Hidio kojima is the best game ever in existence. Again Know your shit man,because your right now talking crap. Mario galaxy is no way way better then MGS 4.

ol, because you were talking about PS3 leading in sales this year, and now you're suddenly saying they don't matter? PS3 IS a better console than the Wii, power wise, but that does not make the console. The games do. Wii has better games than PS3. And Wii's games are selling much better too.

sales

FFS stop making crap up.

Provide your proof to back up this BS your right now writing. Because PS3 titles are selling WAY MORE then any Wii titles and actually have better game play scores, again back up your talk, if you cant, stfu.

It's true. The more powerful consoles NEVER win anymore. XBOX lost, N64 lost, SEGA Gamegear lost, and now PS3 is losing too. It's all about the marketing and the games.

Right and ps3 titles are selling more on ps3 then wii, I'm ready to argue with you on this, so start showing me some proof.

Wii Menu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not an MP3 Channel but i can sure as hell play MP3s...

I can't be bothered with the rest of your post, you're just being ignorant and I'll have to repeat myself.

EDIT: And to stop you going on about the gameplay bullshit, because nothing else proves more than this, especially since gameplay is such a relative thing:

Game Rankings - Rankings - Video Game Reviews, Release Dates, Cheat Codes

2 Wii titles in the top 30, and 1 PS3 title, which is also available on 360.

Look whos talking, saying Wii games are better then ps3. Staryt backing up your talk and don't be complaining because gamespot is accurate just like IGN AND other websites. Gameplay does matter and comparing a multi platform on the Wii and the ps3, its obvious you want me to stop because you dont have evidence that Wii gameplay is actually better then the ps3. Quite calling me ignorant because this is a simple debate, your the one getting a little bit pissy about this