Unbirth Theory

[SilverJ-17]

This is probably going to get shot down fast, but oh well. I've never actually tried to make a full unbirth or any theory thread, for that matter, but here's goes nothing.



Basically, I think an unbirth is a reverted heart. I think, that since heartless didn't exist before or during BBS, hearts (and beings, for that matter) still had another way of being manipulated by the darkness and that my friends is called being reverted. Darkness was still there, but it couldn't consume the heart, only manipulate, warp, and later revert it. As you can see, it's unbirth or being unborn, which could mean that the process was undone.

When someone is unborn, they lose their memories and revert to a primitive and even, demonic state, in which they're wild and are fairly fast. (Trying to recall the basic description..) The way someone is unborn is that their heart is overcome and manipulated by darkness (to a point where it warps/ transforms a being into a reverted form), but unlike the heartless thing, the whole being stays intact, except the memories. Since the whole being stays intact, there is no alternate form, (main/ common: heartless.. alt/ less common: nobody) just a reverted being, that can think and react on instinct. They are somewhat of a combination of nobodies and heartless.

I think Ven was in this reverting process, but Ven's special, he's a keyblader. What's so special about that? I think that more powerful people/ hearts = more powerful unbirths. Ven didn't want to become a major threat to Aqua and Terra, as they were his friends, so he asked Aqua to erase him before the process could revert him. This might also explain the lines "That man has became demon.. infused with the power of darkness.." (Before someone says anything.. I know that the lines aren't probably exact.)

How did Ven get affected by darkness? There's lots of possible ways and I don't think it has to be his decision. Maybe, he was an experiment by MX. A few years ago (or possibly, right at the start of BBS), MX might of infused darkness into Ven's heart (after fighting with him), in an attempt to learn how unbirths were created. This might of gave him and later Terra, "super human strength," but in the end, it started to warp their hearts, leading to Ven asking to be erased and Terra.. well.. something unique happened here. Terra lost his memories, but didn't forget the darkness and it soon manipulated him on to the path to becoming the Xehanort we know and love. Did he merge with MX? I don't know, but that might of contributed to it.

Anyways.. basically.. Darkness manipulates hearts until it reverts them. When a heart has became fully manipulated, it reverts into a demonic (demon) and wild creature. That creature is an unbirth.



Ok, so there's my little jab at what unbirths are? I do like and support SA's theory a lot, but I kind of believe this one to. I was thinking of the idea earlier and came up with this. I'm sure that this is going to be easily cracked, so crack away or discuss (if it sounds plausible to you..) Anyways, I'm sure that a good theory maker/ cracker will find some flaws. For one, PMF always has a way to find flaws in members' theories. He's also similar to someone I know on another site btw.. (By that, I mean the theory cracking skills thing..)

Ehh.. anyways.. discuss how this is plausible or busted.. Finally, please, no flaming.. At least, I'm trying to somewhat back this up.

[Advent Dusk]

At this point, any theory is still plausible. We know Nomura is going to to incorporate the heart of Unbirths somehow, we just don't know how. However, your theory seems to give credit to a different theory from earlier, one about the Unbirths being suicidal and not wanting to exist. If Unbirths are being driven insane by the power of darkness eating away at them, maybe they would want to be destroyed.

Overall, not bad, in this n00b's opinion. I don't entirely agree with you, but not bad.

[Toxic Uchiha]

With that sense of vocabulary then you aren't that much of a noob. Number of posts doesn't determine that man.

Lighten up.

Originally Posted by Advent Dusk

At this point, any theory is still plausible. We know Nomura is going to to incorporate the heart of Unbirths somehow, we just don't know how. However, your theory seems to give credit to a different theory from earlier, one about the Unbirths being suicidal and not wanting to exist. If Unbirths are being driven insane by the power of darkness eating away at them, maybe they would want to be destroyed.

Overall, not bad, in this n00b's opinion. I don't entirely agree with you, but not bad.

[Advent Dusk]

With that sense of vocabulary then you aren't that much of a noob. Number of posts doesn't determine that man.

Lighten up.

Thou art too kind.

[Toxic Uchiha]

Lol

Originally Posted by Advent Dusk

Thou art too kind.

[Ven's keyblade]

Wow.i knew the heart could be overcome by the darkness but manipulated. i never would of thought of this. it's a really good thread.it makes a lot of sense as well.

[Ren]

I'm guessing you mean that they're forced to remain whole even though the darkness is threatening to overcome them?
That makes me think of a nuclear meltdown or something.

I'm not too sure what to say about it. There's not a lot to base this on, despite it making some sense.

[Riku Fan1415]

very iterestig. Like, before beig bor, you're othig but a shadow or somethig totally without form....good theory. (sorry, the butto is broke o my keyboard)

[Toxic Uchiha]

Originally Posted by Ren

I'm guessing you mean that they're forced to remain whole even though the darkness is threatening to overcome them?
That makes me think of a nuclear meltdown or something.

I'm not too sure what to say about it. There's not a lot to base this on, despite it making some sense.

That reminds me of Riku.He was taken over and manipulated by darkness but still remained whole. But that solely depends on your hearts. Usually the "Weak-Minded" get fully overcomed by darkness.

My reference to Riku is from KHI.Hehe, just a reminder.

Originally Posted by Riku Fan1415

very iterestig. Like, before beig bor, you're othig but a shadow or somethig totally without form....good theory. (sorry, the butto is broke o my keyboard)

Er...In your Sig. quote you spelled Twilight wrong. and it's a little off but I see what your aiming at.

[Shattered Sunrise]

Originally Posted by Riku Fan1415

very iterestig. Like, before beig bor, you're othig but a shadow or somethig totally without form....good theory. (sorry, the butto is broke o my keyboard)

..Really I can't understand what you said.

[Heartless Zexion]

Originally Posted by Riku Fan1415

very iteresting. Like, before being born, you're nothig but a shadow or something totally without form....good theory. (sorry, the n button is broken on my keyboard)

Fixed.

[SilverJ-17]

Originally Posted by Ren

I'm guessing you mean that they're forced to remain whole even though the darkness is threatening to overcome them?
That makes me think of a nuclear meltdown or something.

I'm not too sure what to say about it. There's not a lot to base this on, despite it making some sense.

There's not a lot to base any theory on, but the fact that people keep making theories qabout how unbirths are the opposite of nobodies, primitive heartless, and other crazy theories, I tried to think of one, based upon the phrases I've seen on the trailer or scans.

Ehh.. I was thinking about people being reverted and by being reverted, you forget various things. I kind of thought of this because of how Ven wants to be erased and the fact that he couldn't recall meeting MX, despite the fact it must of happened, since MX recalled him. When Sora lost his heart and stumbled around in darkness, he started forgetting stuff. Maybe, forgetting stuff was originally caused by the unbirth process. Does it mean that everyone that is forgetting stuff is becoming an unbirth.. no.. but forgetting stuff could be linked to becoming unborn.

Seeeing how Ven appears to be forgetting stuff (like MX), I got the idea of that maybe loosing your memories was part of the process of becoming an unbirth. Thinking how MX mentions that someone was a demon (unbirths kind of make me think of demonic beings, as they are wild, fast, and unpredictable), infused with the power of darkness made me think that maybe being infused with the power of darkness causes manipulation of the heart and in the later processes, it reverts the heart, but as the heart is warped, someone becomes demonic, in some sense, which would make the use of "demon" make sense.

Oh, and as far as I know it demonic is generally linked to wild and unpredictable, which is the opposite of a civilized person or should I say, a stable heart/ being. Seeing how there's an "un," I think Unbirths are the opposite of a stable being. Being unborn might mean that you're a primiative form.. demonic, unstable, unpredictable, and probably insane. You can't control yourself at all, as an unbirth, which is something Ven probably dreads. I think he was feeling that this process is happening and he doesn't want to harm Terra or Aqua, (aka his friends) so he asked Aqua to erase him from all existant before he became a threat.

[Ren]

This is a test to see if I've wiped all of my memories of KH out of my system. Yay.

Originally Posted by SilverJ

There's not a lot to base any theory on, but the fact that people keep making theories qabout how unbirths are the opposite of nobodies, primitive heartless, and other crazy theories, I tried to think of one, based upon the phrases I've seen on the trailer or scans.

I'm just saying I seen more convincing ones. I'll explain it further into the post.

Ehh.. I was thinking about people being reverted and by being reverted, you forget various things. I kind of thought of this because of how Ven wants to be erased and the fact that he couldn't recall meeting MX, despite the fact it must of happened, since MX recalled him. When Sora lost his heart and stumbled around in darkness, he started forgetting stuff. Maybe, forgetting stuff was originally caused by the unbirth process. Does it mean that everyone that is forgetting stuff is becoming an unbirth.. no.. but forgetting stuff could be linked to becoming unborn.

The forgetting process is because the memories go to the nobody (I forget the details. Ask Yttrxium, I remember him filling me in on it a long time ago). The reason why he forgot things is because he lacked Roxas--that's why returning his nobody to him was so crucial. That's why I'm not seeing the connection you're trying to make between that and MX and Ven. The two situations are clearly different.

Seeeing how Ven appears to be forgetting stuff (like MX), I got the idea of that maybe loosing your memories was part of the process of becoming an unbirth. Thinking how MX mentions that someone was a demon (unbirths kind of make me think of demonic beings, as they are wild, fast, and unpredictable), infused with the power of darkness made me think that maybe being infused with the power of darkness causes manipulation of the heart and in the later processes, it reverts the heart, but as the heart is warped, someone becomes demonic, in some sense, which would make the use of "demon" make sense.

Oh, and as far as I know it demonic is generally linked to wild and unpredictable, which is the opposite of a civilized person or should I say, a stable heart/ being. Seeing how there's an "un," I think Unbirths are the opposite of a stable being. Being unborn might mean that you're a primiative form.. demonic, unstable, unpredictable, and probably insane. You can't control yourself at all, as an unbirth, which is something Ven probably dreads. I think he was feeling that this process is happening and he doesn't want to harm Terra or Aqua, (aka his friends) so he asked Aqua to erase him from all existant before he became a threat.

This is all just something that I can't prove or disprove. You're making connections, but I don't see any connections that exist within the hard facts that we have about the games. You're basing this theory off of your interpretation of the events in BBS.

If I come off as blunt, don't take it personally. I just really don't have much to say about this.

[SilverJ-17]

Originally Posted by Ren

This is a test to see if I've wiped all of my memories of KH out of my system. Yay.

I'm just saying I seen more convincing ones. I'll explain it further into the post.

The forgetting process is because the memories go to the nobody (I forget the details. Ask Yttrxium, I remember him filling me in on it a long time ago). The reason why he forgot things is because he lacked Roxas--that's why returning his nobody to him was so crucial. That's why I'm not seeing the connection you're trying to make between that and MX and Ven. The two situations are clearly different.

This is all just something that I can't prove or disprove. You're making connections, but I don't see any connections that exist within the hard facts that we have about the games. You're basing this theory off of your interpretation of the events in BBS.

If I come off as blunt, don't take it personally. I just really don't have much to say about this.

Meh.. if it's far from the truth, it's far from the truth. I just tried to think this out a bit more than the usual recent unbirth theories, which are usually only three lines to two paragraphs, with hardly any backing and more trying to be like the rest of the series. I'm sorry, but trying to directly (or close to it) connect unbirths to nobodies and heartless probably is very far from the truth. Ehh.. I expected this to get ripped to shreds by Karate/ PMF, but strangely, I haven't seen him in this threat, yet.. Weird..

Anyways, I felt that I should at least try once to take a stab at making a full-blown theory and not just think of mini-ones when I'm posting in other people's threads. I usually don't try to make theories very often. Assuming stuff is pretty easy (for me) and it's usually the easiest thing (for most theory breakers) to crack and then shred the theory to bits imo. The last time I really tried to make a fullblown theory, it was a TS: FP's story into TS4's story-based one.

[Ren]

Well. It's kind of in the void zone. You don't bring in much that can be disproved by what we do know. Well, except for the whole memories/whole being retaining darkness thing, which I sort of don't understand.

It's not good, necessarily, but it's not bad.
I'm assuming no one else is really arguing for/against this theory because like I said, there isn't much that can be argued.