Everything We Know About Birth By Sleep | Unversed So Far

[Iridium]

Originally Posted by FinalFormRoxasx1

HELLO. OMG MY FAV MOVESET IS AQUA!!! SHES AWESuMMMM!
:)

Um... hello, glad to hear that.
I suggest you don't do that again; spamming is prohibited.

I know you like her "moveset" but saying it in a less annoying manner would have been better.

Never the less, welcome to KHI.

[Jakes-Keyblade]

I'm totally looking forward to this game.
I think the Unbirth are a race that has no quality: no heart, no body, and no soul. I suppouse the ones with the emblem are ones MX uses to catch Hearts. They take so many hearts that in time they become Heartless. This cretes a disruption, so Mother Nature cretes the Nobody to compensate and another group having something about the soul (KH3).

[Axel1123]

this game looks awsome

[Iridium]

Originally Posted by Jakes-Keyblade

I think the Unbirth are a race that has no quality: no heart, no body, and no soul.

That's impossible since you'd have no being in the process.

I suppouse the ones with the emblem are ones MX uses to catch Hearts. They take so many hearts that in time they become Heartless. This cretes a disruption, so Mother Nature cretes the Nobody to compensate and another group having something about the soul (KH3).

If they are anything like the heartless then, both pureblood and artificial, they will have the same objective; the only thing different about them is the way they are created.

And since we don't know what the unbirths want or how they are made it's we really can't say that one part of the unbirth family is after one thing while the other side wants something else. The other enemies in the series didn't do that so why break the mold now?

[Jakes-Keyblade]

wait a moment: if you're not born what are you?
something like othin isn't it? okay, not exactly, but you know what I mean..
And I think you are right with part 2, I meant to say that the ones with the emblem are CREATED by MX (just like Xehanorts Heartless did in the first game, etc.), but all of them follow MX.

[Iridium]

The term "unbirth" shouldn't be taken too seriously; it's a play on words like the other enemies in the game:

Heartless= have hearts but only consumed by darkness
Nobodies= have bodies but since they can't exist in neither light or dark realms are considered incomplete and nonexistent, hence nobody.

Unbirth has a deeper meaning which most likely has to do with sleep considering the title, but that's speculation as well.
But it can never be this: nonexistent =\= unbirth.

Something has to be added to the equation for something to be existent.

[Jakes-Keyblade]

or not
but you kow, time will say
(if I would be asked I would say you are right, but you loose nothing for daydreaming...)

[Red Socks Pugie]

unbirths can be nothing, literally.

[Charlie K]

It seems Ven has a power...At the begining of the TGS '08 BBS trailer when it's the DS, MX and Ven MX is talking about that the DS is infused with darkness(Or so I think..I dunno..Whatever on we go..) so Ven is lying on the ground and MX tells him to "Use his power to defeat the darkness"..

So to put it plain and simple, WTF is Ven's power!?..Hopefully it's not just something to do with the keyblade..

[Red Socks Pugie]

Originally Posted by Charlie K

It seems Ven has a power...At the begining of the TGS '08 BBS trailer when it's the DS, MX and Ven MX is talking about that the DS is infused with darkness(Or so I think..I dunno..Whatever on we go..) so Ven is lying on the ground and MX tells him to "Use his power to defeat the darkness"..

So to put it plain and simple, WTF is Ven's power!?..Hopefully it's not just something to do with the keyblade..

ive been thinking about that quote. we know sora/roxas have the power of light. it may just be that.

but i also thought perhaps MX is saying it to draw out mickey.

[Jakes-Keyblade]

I think the power of Ven they talk about has something to do with darkness, because if it isn't I can't understand why MX asks him to use it...

[Iridium]

Originally Posted by Charlie K

So to put it plain and simple, WTF is Ven's power!?..Hopefully it's not just something to do with the keyblade..

Um...light naturally.


And Jake, darkness to defeat darkness?
You do see the problem with that don't you?

(Then again I guess Riku vs Xehanort could be an acception)

Also consider the fact that since Ven is related to Roxas in some way or another it's possible to assume that Ven like Roxas has the ability to use the power of light. Assumption non the less but there is a decent amount of evidence to back it up.

unbirths can be nothing, literally.

Something has to exist to be there; unless the whole dream theory is correct but I stand by the natural laws of physics. Matter can't be destroyed only rearranged ,thus, without something, there can only be nothing, and nothing means non existent. And since the Unbirths have physical form you can't say that, otherwise these beings wouldn't have been mentioned to being with.

[Audo]

I don't think Natural law of physics applies to KH.

[Iridium]

I see your point xDDD

But generally speaking some rules apply, as you can tell.
For heartless to exist there needs to be a heart to begin with, and for a heart to exist you need a being (or worlds for that matter) So you need some structure for the unbirths to exist.

You see where I am getting at with this right? Unless I am missing something <_<
I have been quite off lately.

[Audo]

They can be made from anything really.