Namine's Origin

[xjeezlouisx]

Originally Posted by SufferingAngel

Kairi remained untouched by the entire ordeal as far as we know (save for the Unbirth part lol). I doubt she took something.

i know that skank took something.

I hate this.
If she could create Xion, why did she need Sora to create Namine for her? Answer - she wouldn't have, because she could've created a Nobody on her own. Seeing how she couldn't (and I'm actually saying even that 'Nobody' that was created isn't a Nobody), case closed.

thats the thing i never truly said was it that time she made a nobody....
but who knows i could be wrong

[Karate]

Originally Posted by SufferingAngel

The wildcard fact that could make this theory sink-or-swim, already mentioned that. I presented some possibilities, but like I said, this isn't an Unbirth theory, but a Namine theory.
Ruling out a Heartless and presenting why her being a Nobody makes little to no sense, that only leaves her with the last remaining possibility.

lol
Avatars.
I got something for this situation right here. I'll need time to work on it.
Also, I'll be starting a new fanclub. You want to join? [No, it's not a PMF fanclub]

Kairi remained untouched by the entire ordeal as far as we know (save for the Unbirth part lol). I doubt she took something.

There's nothing that said she wasn't experimented on by Xehanort in the part.

I hate this.
If she could create Xion, why did she need Sora to create Namine for her? Answer - she wouldn't have, because she could've created a Nobody on her own. Seeing how she couldn't (and I'm actually saying even that 'Nobody' that was created isn't a Nobody), case closed.

Hmm, an Unbirth born through the process of becoming a nobody.

If that's the case, Namine's a complete human.

Some members go as far as to say that Nomura said Namine isn't related to Kairi.
Make of that what you will.

At one point. OBVIOUSLY, that's no longer the case.

[Cissy]

Originally Posted by PostMentalFerocity

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At one point. OBVIOUSLY, that's no longer the case.

Her point being that Nomura is lying about the "legend is a fairy-tale" statement now, in present time.

[Riku77]

Quite possible, its not lying though, its bending the truth a bit to make it seem like it wasnt a lie. There is always a little way that no one thinks about that makes us all(or at least me) say duh.

[SufferingAngel]

Further discussion about the sub-theories displayed halted on purpose. They were to make a point and serve as awkward examples, not be the main issue of this debate.

Originally Posted by Cissy

Example, please? As in, what piece of interview are they referring too? (ummm...if you don't know, then it's alright. Exclude this request.)

Ask PMF. I wouldn't put it beyond Nomura though.

'Sides, excluding this new theory, have you not said many times that Sora is more closely related to Namine than Kairi is? Not saying that you're the one who thinks Nomura implied that, but all the same, you've made it clear before that this is the case.

As far as Nobodies are concerned, yes. Also, I still say she's closely related to Sora, even more than to Kairi.
However, I'm changing what she's made of from a Body and Soul to something else we can find more logical, such as parts of a Soul (which later on went back when Roxas and Namine did), Memories, Dreams, etc, instead of a Body which obviously were preoccupied.

This would make a lot of sense if Axel hadn't actually called her a Nobody in CoM. And if they didn't know about Unbirths, what else could she be?

My point exactly, actually. They didn't know about Unbirths, thus not knowing that wasn't what Namine was.

I think they didn't let her in the Organization because she was so easily intimidated and taken advantage of. The only way she could actively help the Organization was by having her powers manipulated. So they saw her as little more than a slave. Plus, it would be much easier to convince Namine to help them trap Sora if they made it look like she had no future anywhere else.

While that is true, look at Roxas; they're treating him as a pawn as well; Xaldin greatly dislikes him; at one point, despite his usefulness, they were willing to kill both him and Sora.
Namine being made a part of the Organization wouldn't mean they'd have to treat her nicely. After all, it's also been hinted that Xion - a Member - tried running away numerous times to whathever reasons. Why not mistreatment?

Other than that, it's hard to actually disprove this theory, since, like you said, we don't really know what Unbirths are. As of now, it's a good guess, and it would explain the plot-hole that is Namine's existence. But we'll have to wait and see.

Mmhm :3

Originally Posted by Cissy

Her point being that Nomura is lying about the "legend is a fairy-tale" statement now, in present time.

Does anyone remember when he talked about it? I think it's a recent interview but I'm not sure.

[Karate]

Not lying. It's still just a fairy tale. That doesn't directly apply to TAV.

[SufferingAngel]

Originally Posted by SufferingAngel

Important
Please don't discuss these two theories. Take from them the main issues, being
1) A person with a Pure Heart undergoing the process to become a Heartless, and obviously - creating something different
2) Two Hearts being released at the same time, creating a by-product
Thank you.

To keep this on track, being

1) Namine being a Nobody makes no sense.
2) Ansem the Wise, aside from being horribly Biased with anything the Organization touched, never knew about Unbirths, thus couldn't say Namine was one even if she was.
3)

~*~Cookies~*~

:3~

[Cissy]

Umm...yeah.

Alright. If he isn't lying, then my contradictions still stand.

If he is, well, no one can really tell.

*Urm, just saw your post. I'll stay hush-hush now.*

[SufferingAngel]

Originally Posted by Cissy

*Urm, just saw your post. I'll stay hush-hush now.*

Any insight other than that?



And I don't know why but it sounds like you're mad at me >:

[Cissy]

Not really. I couldn't find anything else to add.

No, of course not. I'm never mad at you! ;3

[SufferingAngel]

Originally Posted by Cissy

Not really. I couldn't find anything else to add.

Good insight is also welcome XD

No, of course not. I'm never mad at you! ;3

we'll see about that when I lock Ren up in my private pleasure chamber >;3~ kukuku

*cough*

*cookie*

[Cissy]

Personally, this is a pretty good theory.

It was just that one portion that irked me.

What? You mean you're going to put my Phoenix Renny in confinement?

Oh!~ Cookie.

[SufferingAngel]

Originally Posted by Cissy

Personally, this is a pretty good theory.

It was just that one portion that irked me.

Personally, I agree with you about the times, I'm just not ruling out that it does have an element of truth in it, especially seeing how enough of it already came true, despite being a fairy tale of ten years ago (Light in the Darkness speaking about Kingdom Hearts, the Light in the Hearts of Children and Riku - being the oldest, falling first, could also apply to Terra, etc. I just took another aspect of it, being the lack of Darkness).

What? You mean you're going to put my Phoenix Renny in confinement?

You object? ;3~

Oh!~ Cookie.

I know how to win an audience XD

[The Pinwheel]

Dang.. this is probably one of the only theories that aren't way out there. Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but I think you should also add in it would make sense, let's say Namine is actually a nobody, wouldn't she have an "X" in here name like all the others?? That may just be an organization thing. Alos, then how the hell did Namine merge with Kairi?

[Organization_42]

Originally Posted by SufferingAngel

2) Ansem the Wise, aside from being horribly Biased with anything the Organization touched, never knew about Unbirths, thus couldn't say Namine was one even if she was.

How would Ansem not know what Unbirths are? They were definitely around when he was still ruler of Radiant Garden. In fact, they were probably the reason why he started doing experiments on the heart- he wanted to protect his people from creatures like that.

Here's the proof:

Originally Posted by Secret Ansem Report #1

My efforts these many years have come to fruitation, with the world I govern having become a paradise worthy of being called “Radiant Garden.” Nurtured by the pure water that is the source of life, fragrant flowers bloom in abundance, and the people face each day with hopeful smiles. But where there is light, darkness always lurks. As noted in my earlier reports, I must solve the mystery of this “darkness of the heart.” This paradise depends on it.