Riku and the TAV Keyblade

[Byronic Hero]

Originally Posted by Glaurung

You seem to have completely ignored my previous post. Read before you write, Einstien.

Poor No0blet

[Glaurung]

Originally Posted by raj

by what i said i meant it was seaching for DARK'S POWER OVER LIGHT! it could also be the other way around depending on the power!

Thank you for (somewhat) restating what I've been saying all along.

[bamak93]

I've read through this, and there's a theory that gets thrown around and dies (a lot).

Okay, so TAV were the keyblade masters before MRS (Mickey, Riku, Sora), right?

So BBS happens, then what?

TAV all die (maybe), and somehow, their wills are transferred magically into their respective Keyblades, which choose the next masters.

So, we can assume that before TAV, there were other masters, right?

So maybe Terra chooses Riku, but the collective will of the other KK users overrides him and choose Sora instead.

This explains how the Radiant Garden gang believe that the Keyblade can choose, at the same time explaining the way the LS spoke in KH2FM+.

BTW, if this theory is true, the LS fight was most likely a fight against the KK itself.

[Grace Assassin]

Originally Posted by Glaurung

That's what I'm trying to say; it just happened to be dark over light in that moment.

Yeah, but the question is... How could Sora possibly get the Keyblade in the first place?

About Riku being the rightful owner of the Keyblade - Why is it that Sora had the Keyblade first?

Nomura: That part is also a bit vague. In the Destiny Islands when Riku is swallowed by the Darkness, there’s a sparkle of light, and next comes the scene where Sora first gets the Keyblade, right? In my setting, the Darkness wrapping itself around those two is the Darkness of Riku’s heart. At the moment when Sora enters that Darkness, the light you can see is the Light of the heart. Sora, trying to help Riku, struggling in the Darkness, touches that light and temporarily the Keyblade goes to Sora.

There has to be more to it. Sora's Dive into the Heart was much earlier than that one moment, implying that it was predetermined. And just the fact that it transferred makes no sense. Since when does a Keyblade go from one to another on a whim? There's supposed to be as many keyblades as there are qualified hearts, ie one chosen wielder per keyblade.

I wouldn't say Riku's heart was weak during that moment either. Clouded by darkness, but not weak (and in any case, we know it can't be a matter of the KK choosing light over dark).

[Byronic Hero]

Originally Posted by bamak93

I've read through this, and there's a theory that gets thrown around and dies (a lot).

Okay, so TAV were the keyblade masters before MRS (Mickey, Riku, Sora), right?

So BBS happens, then what?

TAV all die (maybe), and somehow, their wills are transferred magically into their respective Keyblades, which choose the next masters.

So, we can assume that before TAV, there were other masters, right?

So maybe Terra chooses Riku, but the collective will of the other KK users overrides him and choose Sora instead.

This explains how the Radiant Garden gang believe that the Keyblade can choose, at the same time explaining the way the LS spoke in KH2FM+.

BTW, if this theory is true, the LS fight was most likely a fight against the KK itself.

So you are saying that at one point Terra Had The Way To Dawn, Aqua Had The Dark Realms Kingdom Key,
and Ven Had The Kingdom Key from the realm of Light?

[bamak93]

Originally Posted by KeyBlade_Masta

So you are saying that at one point Terra Had The Way To Dawn, Aqua Had The Dark Realms Kingdom Key,
and Ven Had The Kingdom Key from the realm of Light?

Nononononono.

Here is a short chart:

Original Choices:
Terra->Riku
Ven->Sora (not definite, but VERY likely)
Aqua->Mickey (again, not definite, but not as likely)

Final Choice:
Terra->Sora
Ven->Riku
Aqua->Mickey

I felt that the whole "Land, Sea, Sky" theme had something to do with the original choices, but a particular quote from SA made me think otherwise.

Originally Posted by SufferingAngel

Kairi is a plot device, used and abused.

[xxxtonyxxxx]

Originally Posted by Glaurung

You seem to be confused, R-K. I'm trying to say that in Hollow Bastion, Riku's darkness was greater than Sora's light.
I'm not saying that the keyblade prefers one over the other.

how could his darkness be greater then sora's light if sora also had kairi in him and she's pure light

[Cissy]

Originally Posted by xxxtonyxxxx

how could his darkness be greater then sora's light if sora also had kairi in him and she's pure light

Because it's Kairi's, not his.

[MegamanX1331]

Wow. Thassa lotta info.
I just got schooled by high-schoolers. Ouch.

Anyway, I'm willing to suffer any torment to increase my understanding of Kingdom Hearts! XD

So Riku was originally the chosen master...but as Grace Assassin said, why did Sora have his Dive into the Heart if he was never meant to have the keyblade? Maybe because he was chosen for Ven's keyblade?

So did Riku end up with Vens? Seems to me like he just made his own out of the Soul Eater. Hmmm...

[FinalForm Sora17]

Originally Posted by Riku-Keyblade

And i don't know about you guys but i think BBS points even more to the fact that Masters can choose the next Wielder. I mean, i think TAV's mster chose TAV. I find it hard to believe three random people were magically chosen by the Keyblade on its own accord and then they magically found their way to this one master. I think he chose them.

Um, are we forgetting that the term "Chaser" Which i think we're assuming are TAV, not only means "one who chases/pursues" but is also an "Engraver of metal." Doesn't that kind of hint toward TAV and maybe MX being teh creators of the Keyblades? I've heard people talking about TAV's master, but i don't recall hearing about one. I always thought they were the creators. I can see how they could have a master, but i never thought they had one.

If i'm wrong please correct me. I could just be missing something.

[T-M]

Originally Posted by xxxtonyxxxx

how could his darkness be greater then sora's light if sora also had kairi in him and she's pure light

Because that pure light is Kairi's pure light and Kairi's pure light only.

So Riku was originally the chosen master...but as Grace Assassin said, why did Sora have his Dive into the Heart if he was never meant to have the keyblade? Maybe because he was chosen for Ven's keyblade?

I believe Sora was originally intended to obtain another Keyblade. That's why he had his Awakening/Dive into the Heart.

Originally Posted by FinalForm Sora17

Um, are we forgetting that the term "Chaser" Which i think we're assuming are TAV, not only means "one who chases/pursues" but is also an "Engraver of metal." Doesn't that kind of hint toward TAV and maybe MX being teh creators of the Keyblades? I've heard people talking about TAV's master, but i don't recall hearing about one. I always thought they were the creators. I can see how they could have a master, but i never thought they had one.

If i'm wrong please correct me. I could just be missing something.

That trailer was a concept video and it's contents will most likely have no meaning in BBS.

Also, where do we see this "Engraver of Metal." No, that doesn't hint at VAT being the creators of the Keyblade.

VAT's master was talked about when Nomura first revealed the plot of BBS.

Also, I think the Keyblade was around long before their time, anyway.

[xxxtonyxxxx]

yea i think that maybe keyblades can be created because riku was able to get his keyblade and maybe he created kairi a keyblade using his memories and also the kingdom key i forgot whats its meaning but doesnt it have the mickey mouse head as a keychain so how would sora know of the disney people and stuff so maybe one of the tav people created the kingdom key im sorry if im wrong

[FinalForm Sora17]

Thanks TwilightMan. Thats the clarification I needed. I'm content now. I knew the trailer was a concept thing. I just never thought to associate "Chaser" with "concept." My fault.

[Karate]

Originally Posted by Grace Assassin

Yeah, but the question is... How could Sora possibly get the Keyblade in the first place?

There has to be more to it. Sora's Dive into the Heart was much earlier than that one moment, implying that it was predetermined. And just the fact that it transferred makes no sense. Since when does a Keyblade go from one to another on a whim? There's supposed to be as many keyblades as there are qualified hearts, ie one chosen wielder per keyblade.

I wouldn't say Riku's heart was weak during that moment either. Clouded by darkness, but not weak (and in any case, we know it can't be a matter of the KK choosing light over dark).

Welcome to PMF-ville.

[Zero Sora]

I'm beginning to think the term "Chaser" is very important at all, but just refers to VAT chasing MX from world to world. Simple as that.