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Old 08/21/08, 01:12 AM   #1
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Default Master and Apprentice: The relations between Star Wars and Kingdom Hearts.

First off I'd like to say that I know when many of you look at this you might say "wow this is useless." or "wrong section" or you'll just call me nerdy because I can see so indepth on how alike Kingdom Hearts is to Star Wars (but aren't we all pretty nerdy for being on a wonderful site like this that is deticated to Kingdom Hearts mainly). So I won't hold anything towards anyone if they anything bad I just want to hear people's opinions.

So I've been thinking of the master/apprentice relationship in Birth By Sleep and, how 10years after the new keyblade wielders all learn how to use the fullest of their abilities through a master (in a way) who was taught by one of the originals. This to me is very similar to the Star Wars series because in the time of the Old Republic padawans were taught by Jedi knights and masters, but after the Empire gained control and Darth Vader killed off most of the Jedi, Luke had to be taught by Obi-Wan Kenobi who was a padawan, knight, and master during the OR era.

BBS = Old Republic Era (VAT being trained by masters like Obi-wan, Anakin, and Ahsoka were)
KH = Galacric Empire Era (Sora and Riku being taught by KingMickey and Yen Sid like Luke being taught by Obi-Wan and Yoda)

There are also other similarities between these to iconic stories:
- Like the Jedi who were of many VAT symbolize this just as MX and DS symbolize the "Rule of Two" law within the Sith of there only being one master and one apprentice
-MX is a wielder of twilight as he can use both powers of light and dark same as how Darth Sidious can use powers of both sides of the Force (the Jedi only use the light side ~> VAT/Sora)
-Riku is similar to Anakin Skywalker as in he wished to gain power for the right reasons, fell into darkness, and ascended back into light once he realized his wrong doing and feelings towards their loved ones

This is a speculated theory but the reason why VAT and DS do not have keychains is because they have yet to complete their training, so until then they will not be given keychains. This would be similar to a padawan's training as in after proving themselves worthy they are allowed to abandon their training lightsaber and create their own by using a crystal (like a keychain?). Also padawans have to go trough Trials to become knights, and I believe that VAT's master sending them after MX and DS is a test similar a padawan's Trials.

Thanks for reading and give me any and all opinions because I put a significant amount of time typing this up. Also If you'd like to add things please tell me and I will add and give credit to you.
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Old 08/21/08, 01:15 AM   #2
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I love how you didn't point out the more obvious things.
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DS does have a keychain.
Figured I'd point that out
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Old 08/21/08, 01:19 AM   #3
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i liked ur post, but i must say that sora had a keychain for most of the game... but i still like ur comparing. also goofy is the obvious chewy.
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Old 08/21/08, 01:24 AM   #4
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oh guess i missed that part out but when it came to Sora and Riku I meant ot say that even though they have keychains its because their full power needed to be realesed early since they didnt have a master to train them day by day
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true...much like luke had to learn fast cuz o bi wan died early
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Old 08/21/08, 01:33 AM   #6
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exactly and he didn't get time to make his own lightsaber until after his first duel with Vader
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Goofy and Donald are kind of like C-3PO and R2-D2....
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Um I see your point .So did anyone see that new star wars?
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Star Wars =/= KH in any way possible.

STOP comparing an incredible franchise (Star Wars) to a shitty one.
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Star Wars =/= KH in any way possible.

STOP comparing an incredible franchise (Star Wars) to a shitty one.
Are you saying Kingdom Hearts is shitty?
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Intresting thought, I like the connection made. Though I guess it is common to have the master/apprentice bond in stories, it adds more depth and momentum for a great climax and what not.

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Old 08/21/08, 01:45 AM   #12
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Are you saying Kingdom Hearts is shitty?
Why yes, I am .
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Star Wars =/= KH in any way possible.

STOP comparing an incredible franchise (Star Wars) to a shitty one.
Stop being so closed-minded, TwilightMan. The only Star Wars films that were as good as you say were the originals,
which are now collecting dust on the shelves of all, save the really geeky fanatics. I think that LlaveEspada was being clever and observant, and made some very good connections.
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from wat i hear, the new star wars movie is better then episodes 1-3
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