'mind' theory

soramaru95 · 08/15/08, 02:52 AM

im not one to make theories but here it goes.

Okay the other day it occured to me that when sora turned into a heartless his 'mind' also went with it so thats how kairi was able to wake him up when he started forgetting things or whatever happened.
In KHII when someone calls Xemnas, Xehanort he says something about not being called that in along time, so it lead me to think that the 'mind' this time stayed with the body. I was also thinking what would happen if the mind went to neither would darkness, nothingness, light consume it until it became an enemy?

discuss and fill free to prove me wrong.

Edit: sry when i say 'mind' i meant the somebodies mind that made the nobody and heartless.

Chevalier Sombre · 08/15/08, 02:59 AM

The mind is just part of the body, nothing really special about it.

Audo · 08/15/08, 03:01 AM

The heart and the body actually both have a sort of mind.
Xehanort's Heartless had it's own mind separate from Xemnas', but the mind isn't something that can be disappeared or separated from a person in KH.

**Phil** · 08/15/08, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Riku-Keyblade

The heart and the body actually both have a sort of mind.
Xehanort's Heartless had it's own mind separate from Xemnas', but the mind isn't something that can be disappeared or separated from a person in KH.

But they both wanted the same thing, which was kh.

Audo · 08/15/08, 03:07 AM

That doesn't matter...
They had separate minds.

soramaru95 · 08/15/08, 03:13 AM

sry i edited what i meant by 'mind'

KeyMaker · 08/15/08, 03:45 AM

I like it. I wonder if the mind would fit under memories though?

ShadowDusk · 08/15/08, 04:14 AM

I thought that the mind would probably fit under memories too.

Axel's Fire · 08/15/08, 04:21 AM

When a person gets turned into a Heartless, the Nobody gets the memories of before. But for some reason, Xehanort's Nobody and Heartless both had memories of before but (as R-K stated) they acted under separate minds.

Audo · 08/15/08, 04:32 AM

Hmm, that's true... they both did have memories... O_O

Yuu · 08/15/08, 05:03 AM

Maybe the memories go with the soul?

But somehow, something strange happened to Xehanort to cause both his heartless and nobody to have memories.

He was the one that opened Hollow Bastion.

Audo · 08/15/08, 05:07 AM

The memories go with the body, as does the soul.

Well... Xehanort is special... perhaps... nah I'm not going to say it, lol.

Axel's Fire · 08/15/08, 05:08 AM

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Maybe the memories go with the soul?

But somehow, something strange happened to Xehanort to his both his heartless and nobody to have memories.

He was the one that opened Hollow Bastion.

I've always thought that. It would make sense after all because Nobodies remember stuff but they don't have a heart. Maybe the soul holds the memories, while the heart is a the chain that links them together...just a thought..

Audo · 08/15/08, 05:10 AM

The heart holds the memories, but the memories from the heart are put into the Nobody when they are split.
Perhaps in some weird way, both XH and Xemnas had the memories? Maybe they made like.. a duplicate of the memories somehow? It could have something to do with how XH because a heartless, or maybe it has something to do with how Xehanort came to be ([insert Terra/MX/DS fusion theory])

DaisyDuck · 08/15/08, 05:16 AM

Minds are tricky. Remember the old phrase "Think with your head, not your heart?" Cliche as it is that might be what's going on here.

Heartless rely mostly on instinct. But they do seem to have some thought capacity, especially the higher ones like Wizards and Invisibles. and of course Xehanort's Heartless, although he appears to be a special case and is more "an exsistance purely of the Heart" than a true Heartless. It could be said the think with their hearts, so to speak.

Nobodies can think and plan. They retain their intellect and brains. They think with their heads.

And both Nobodies and Heartless have memories. Axel pretty much tells Sora this during his fisrt appearance in CoM. Nobodies can remember most things about their former lives but their most precious memories are locked in their hearts and out of reach.

Take Demyx for example. He's a musician, he obviously remembers how to play a sitar, but he might not remember who taught him. Or he might not remember his favorite melody. He no longer has memories that would connect his heart to another.

08/15/08, 02:52 AM	#1
soramaru95 Happily Insane Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Im not really sure... Age: 13 Posts: 1,143 Rep Power: 3	'mind' theory im not one to make theories but here it goes. Okay the other day it occured to me that when sora turned into a heartless his 'mind' also went with it so thats how kairi was able to wake him up when he started forgetting things or whatever happened. In KHII when someone calls Xemnas, Xehanort he says something about not being called that in along time, so it lead me to think that the 'mind' this time stayed with the body. I was also thinking what would happen if the mind went to neither would darkness, nothingness, light consume it until it became an enemy? discuss and fill free to prove me wrong. Edit: sry when i say 'mind' i meant the somebodies mind that made the nobody and heartless. Last edited by soramaru95; 08/15/08 at 03:09 AM.

08/15/08, 02:59 AM	#2
Chevalier Sombre Rakuen Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 6,615 Rep Power: 18	Re: 'mind' theory The mind is just part of the body, nothing really special about it.

08/15/08, 03:01 AM	#3
Audo because you left. Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: BC \| Canada Age: 17 Posts: 12,662 Rep Power: 32	Re: 'mind' theory The heart and the body actually both have a sort of mind. Xehanort's Heartless had it's own mind separate from Xemnas', but the mind isn't something that can be disappeared or separated from a person in KH.

08/15/08, 03:07 AM	#5
Audo because you left. Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: BC \| Canada Age: 17 Posts: 12,662 Rep Power: 32	Re: 'mind' theory That doesn't matter... They had separate minds.

08/15/08, 03:13 AM	#6
soramaru95 Happily Insane Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Im not really sure... Age: 13 Posts: 1,143 Rep Power: 3	Re: 'mind' theory sry i edited what i meant by 'mind'

08/15/08, 03:45 AM	#7
KeyMaker Sidekick Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 370 Rep Power: 2	Re: 'mind' theory I like it. I wonder if the mind would fit under memories though?

08/15/08, 04:14 AM	#8
ShadowDusk Court Mage Join Date: Feb 2008 Age: 17 Posts: 33 Rep Power: 0	Re: 'mind' theory I thought that the mind would probably fit under memories too.

08/15/08, 04:21 AM	#9
Axel's Fire Keyblade Wielder Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In a place...with a roof...and some air...and some people...and some food...why do u ask? lol Age: 16 Posts: 240 Rep Power: 2	Re: 'mind' theory When a person gets turned into a Heartless, the Nobody gets the memories of before. But for some reason, Xehanort's Nobody and Heartless both had memories of before but (as R-K stated) they acted under separate minds.

08/15/08, 04:32 AM	#10
Audo because you left. Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: BC \| Canada Age: 17 Posts: 12,662 Rep Power: 32	Re: 'mind' theory Hmm, that's true... they both did have memories... O_O

08/15/08, 05:03 AM	#11
Yuu Disney Soldier Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Manila, Philippines Age: 16 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	Re: 'mind' theory Maybe the memories go with the soul? But somehow, something strange happened to Xehanort to cause both his heartless and nobody to have memories. He was the one that opened Hollow Bastion.

08/15/08, 05:07 AM	#12
Audo because you left. Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: BC \| Canada Age: 17 Posts: 12,662 Rep Power: 32	Re: 'mind' theory The memories go with the body, as does the soul. Well... Xehanort is special... perhaps... nah I'm not going to say it, lol.

08/15/08, 05:10 AM	#14
Audo because you left. Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: BC \| Canada Age: 17 Posts: 12,662 Rep Power: 32	Re: 'mind' theory The heart holds the memories, but the memories from the heart are put into the Nobody when they are split. Perhaps in some weird way, both XH and Xemnas had the memories? Maybe they made like.. a duplicate of the memories somehow? It could have something to do with how XH because a heartless, or maybe it has something to do with how Xehanort came to be ([insert Terra/MX/DS fusion theory])

08/15/08, 05:16 AM	#15
DaisyDuck Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 229 Rep Power: 1	Re: 'mind' theory Minds are tricky. Remember the old phrase "Think with your head, not your heart?" Cliche as it is that might be what's going on here. Heartless rely mostly on instinct. But they do seem to have some thought capacity, especially the higher ones like Wizards and Invisibles. and of course Xehanort's Heartless, although he appears to be a special case and is more "an exsistance purely of the Heart" than a true Heartless. It could be said the think with their hearts, so to speak. Nobodies can think and plan. They retain their intellect and brains. They think with their heads. And both Nobodies and Heartless have memories. Axel pretty much tells Sora this during his fisrt appearance in CoM. Nobodies can remember most things about their former lives but their most precious memories are locked in their hearts and out of reach. Take Demyx for example. He's a musician, he obviously remembers how to play a sitar, but he might not remember who taught him. Or he might not remember his favorite melody. He no longer has memories that would connect his heart to another.

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