My Kingdom Hearts : Birth By Sleep Theory

[Ultima_Terra]

[center]Alright...Here we go.

Lets start at the beginning of Kingdom Hearts 2. Ansem the Wise

mentioned in his first secret report about Xehanort. He couldn't

remember anything. Except he had to remember the name Xehanort

considering its not by coincidence that Ansem the Wise knew the name

Xehanort and gave it to him "There are no coincidences in fate". Now

from here, this guy is Terra. But in another form. Now in the video it

says, "It begins with Birth by Sleep". I believe Terra was able to be

reborn in a new way. He was able to make a new form of his self. That

such of the Heartless and the Nobodies. So I will refer to Xehanort as

an "Unbirth" form of Terra. Now, apparently Xemnas knew more about

Xehanort's past than he himself knew. He had Aqua's armor, and he tried

to do as Xehanort did. She was reborn by sleep. Thus making Xion, and

explaining why she is neither heartless or nobody. Plus she was alive

in KH 2 FM+, cause it said that 2 of the organization members heard a

female voice in the room of Sleep. The Room of Awakening is where she

would be revived. This all explains why she also is Roxas's height and

uses a keyblade. She is the "unbirth" or "Rebirth" whichever you want

to call it, of Aqua.


***Just because Roxas is Sora with an X, it doesn't mean they all are

that way, I.E Lenzo = Zexion****

****EDIT: Its Ienzo, not Lenzo. I apologize, but what about the other guys .Bleig, Dilan, and Eleus****

Now, in the end of the Secret Ansem report 13 it states "How did

Xehanort manage to open the door that appeared in the basement of my

castle…?". Now it is said in Ansem Report 9 "I must know what this

Keyblade is. A key opens doors. It must be connected to the door I have

opened." Xehanort had to have used a keyblade to open that door that

led into the whole finding of the Heartless and Kingdom Hearts. Now, I

dont understand the reason that he is able to create a heartless and a

nobody. Im guessing the unbirth is a form of rebirth. Now I dont know

if this has any relevance to the theory but I think the whole "Reverse

Rebirth" in KHCOM was a way Riku was reborn, but into darkness taking

form of Ansem. Im not sure. Now I think when it comes to Ven's case, he

was able to be reborn like Xehanort was but in Sora, which helps

explain Roxas, and also Xions case.

Now as for the keyblades. I dont know why people are saying that Terra

Aqua and Ven's keyblades are fake....That is stupid. But what I do

believe is that, their keyblades are in their true form. Like the exact

sync with their hearts. Its apart of them. Now the keyblades with the

chains I believe are fake. I believe the keyblades with the chains are

just a way to bring back the lost keyblade that nobody uses. Like in

the video, it shows Fenrir. Fenrir in that video doesnt have a chain.

But when Sora uses it, it has a chain. Its just a copy of the original.

The original keyblade doesnt have a keychain, but the ones with the

keychains are the copies. The keychain is a way to summon the keyblade.


Now there are a few things that i still am thinking about.

"I persuaded Namine’ to move the slumbering Sora to Twilight Town for

safekeeping. Namine’. As I have written here before, she is a most

unusual being. Born of the same process as a Nobody, but lacking

virtually all of the elements of a Nobody. Perhaps she continues

drawing in hopes of capturing that which she lacks: the memories of

others, especially Sora." The memories of others is what weirds me

out. Also

"Roxas, Ansem, Namine’…

They defy all logic, yet there they are: singular exceptions to the

rule."

Now Roxas = Nobody of Sora = Ven Ansem = Nobody of Xehanort = Terra
Namine = Nobody of Kairi = Aqua ??

Hmmmmmmmm

Comment :) Let me know what ya think.

[lycorismoon29]

Namine=Kairi's nobody =/= Aqua.

Ienzo, not Lenzo.

Keychains are to change the form of the blade and are memories from the person who gave the item to Sora.

Riku was reborn in KH1 when he was wondering the darkness with no body, but formed it again with his determination to see his friends again, then ended up with Mickey behind the Door.

The rebirth in CoM meant Riku accepting his Darkness.

Edit: And here are hints that Xehanort is more than just one person.

[Chevalier Sombre]

Originally Posted by Ultima_Terra

[center]Alright...Here we go.

Lets start at the beginning of Kingdom Hearts 2. Ansem the Wise

mentioned in his first secret report about Xehanort. He couldn't

remember anything. Except he had to remember the name Xehanort

considering its not by coincidence that Ansem the Wise knew the name

Xehanort and gave it to him "There are no coincidences in fate". Now

from here, this guy is Terra. But in another form. Now in the video it

says, "It begins with Birth by Sleep". I believe Terra was able to be

reborn in a new way. He was able to make a new form of his self. That

such of the Heartless and the Nobodies. So I will refer to Xehanort as

an "Unbirth" form of Terra.

And how would he be able to do that?

Now, apparently Xemnas knew more about Xehanort's past than he himself knew. He had Aqua's armor, and he tried

to do as Xehanort did. She was reborn by sleep. Thus making Xion, and

explaining why she is neither heartless or nobody. Plus she was alive

in KH 2 FM+, cause it said that 2 of the organization members heard a

female voice in the room of Sleep.

No, Xigbar said he heard Xemnas talking to someone, he made it ambiguous as to the number of voices in the room. For all we know, Xemnas is talking to an inanimate object.

The Room of Awakening is where she

would be revived. This all explains why she also is Roxas's height and

uses a keyblade. She is the "unbirth" or "Rebirth" whichever you want

to call it, of Aqua.

We don't know how old or how tall Shion is. Also, why the Kingdom Key? Why not Aqua's keyblade?

***Just because Roxas is Sora with an X, it doesn't mean they all are

that way, I.E Lenzo = Zexion****

The point is reasonably solid, but you picked a bad example. It's Ienzo, not Lenzo.

Now, in the end of the Secret Ansem report 13 it states "How did

Xehanort manage to open the door that appeared in the basement of my

castle…?". Now it is said in Ansem Report 9 "I must know what this

Keyblade is. A key opens doors. It must be connected to the door I have

opened." Xehanort had to have used a keyblade to open that door that

led into the whole finding of the Heartless and Kingdom Hearts. Now, I

dont understand the reason that he is able to create a heartless and a

nobody. Im guessing the unbirth is a form of rebirth. Now I dont know

if this has any relevance to the theory but I think the whole "Reverse

Rebirth" in KHCOM was a way Riku was reborn, but into darkness taking

form of Ansem. Im not sure.

Eh, I don't think Riku's journey in CoM has anything to do with the theory, personally. I don't think Riku was literally reborn, he just accepted his darkness and began "walking the path of twilight", so to speak.

Now I think when it comes to Ven's case, he

was able to be reborn like Xehanort was but in Sora, which helps

explain Roxas, and also Xions case.

Now as for the keyblades. I dont know why people are saying that Terra

Aqua and Ven's keyblades are fake....That is stupid.

Eh, not really. Though I prefer calling them "artificial", rather than fake. See, Nomura hinted that the keyblade Xehanort created in Riku's body towards the end of KH1 was artificial, and there's practically nothing that hints at it being such asides from it having no keychain. This doesn't necessarily mean that all keychain-less keyblades are artificial, but the thought of Ven, Aqua, and Terra's keyblades being "fake/artificial" is definitely not stupid.

But what I do

believe is that, their keyblades are in their true form. Like the exact

sync with their hearts. Its apart of them. Now the keyblades with the

chains I believe are fake. I believe the keyblades with the chains are

just a way to bring back the lost keyblade that nobody uses. Like in

the video, it shows Fenrir. Fenrir in that video doesnt have a chain.

But when Sora uses it, it has a chain. Its just a copy of the original.

The original keyblade doesnt have a keychain, but the ones with the

keychains are the copies. The keychain is a way to summon the keyblade.

Eh, I doubt Fenrir's presence in that video is significant. The team probably just included it so Nomura and the rest of the artists didn't have to design a bunch of new keyblades.

Are you saying all keychained keyblades are fake, though?

[lycorismoon29]

And in the Secret Ending, that field of Keyblade and how they had no chains can show that its a graveyard or the discovered hammarspace of all Keyblades.

[Ultima_Terra]

lycorismoon29:

I hope you didnt mistake what I meant when I said Namine = Nobody of Kairi = Aqua. I meant as in it has ties to Aqua, not actually being Aqua.

Keychains arent to change the form of the blade, and arent memories of Sora. Or else Fenrir would not have been in the move, nor would Three Wishs. BBS takes place before Sora's time. So they arent of Sora's memories. AND, that wouldnt explain why Terra's keyblade doesnt have a chain. The chain has no ties to ones memories. Its just there, OathKeeper is the only one that was actually given to Sora in person by Kairi.


Yes I understand that Rebirth meant he accepted his darkness, but he accepted it and was transformed to take on the look of Ansem. Which is what I took out of Reverse Rebirth. He being reborn into looking like Ansem. He didnt end up behind the door. He helped Mickey close it.

[Captain Garlock]

All im gonna say is it started out nice then it very stupid >__>

Ok we know for a fact in order to have a true keyblade you need a chain.
Ie why rikus souleater isnt a keyblade and why when he got his new one it had a chain.
The chain is a link to a persons heart and memories.
Perfect sync with there keyblade?
That makes no sense because your keyblade is stored in your heart >__>
Plus i think it was brought up in a previous thread terra seemed to have trouble summoning his.

[Ultima_Terra]

Im not saying all of the keychained keyblades are fake. I believe the keychain is what allows the keyblade to be summoned. That specific keyblade. There was an original keyblade at the time. Like Terra's and Aqua's and Ven's. How they dont have keychains. There are other familiar keyblades in the video. Each dont have a keychain. Im sure that it was meant that they were of the original holders.

[Chevalier Sombre]

He didnt end up behind the door. He helped Mickey close it.

He did, actually. At one point, presumably after Sora had that confrontation with Ansem at the remains of Destiny Islands, Riku's heart was sent to the dark realm, behind the door.

Ok we know for a fact in order to have a true keyblade you need a chain.
Ie why rikus souleater isnt a keyblade and why when he got his new one it had a chain.

Eh, I'm not sure if I got this right, but Soul Eater was never a keyblade.

[Ordeith]

Originally Posted by Ultima_Terra

Keychains arent to change the form of the blade, and arent memories of Sora. Or else Fenrir would not have been in the move, nor would Three Wishs. BBS takes place before Sora's time. So they arent of Sora's memories. AND, that wouldnt explain why Terra's keyblade doesnt have a chain. The chain has no ties to ones memories. Its just there, OathKeeper is the only one that was actually given to Sora in person by Kairi.

Tell me, if you were Nomura, would you want to have to design every single keyblade in the BBS concept video from scatch? The reason that we see familiar keyblades make appearances in the BBS concept vid is sinmply because designing keyblades that would not make any future appearances wouldn't be worth it. That's why you see a lot of old and re-colored keyblades mixed together in Sunset Horizons. In my opinion, the keychains are created either by the worlds, such as Oylmpus, or memories/hearts, such as Oathkeeper and Oblivion.

EDIT: Wow, I take a few minutes to post, and get bombarded by three new ones!

[Captain Garlock]

I never said soul eater was a keyblade im saying the it didnt have a chain and the reason why his new got one is to the fact his heart and memories were changed thus changing the form of his keyblade and giving him a chain.

[Ultima_Terra]

Originally Posted by Reno/Axel

All im gonna say is it started out nice then it very stupid >__>

Ok we know for a fact in order to have a true keyblade you need a chain.
Ie why rikus souleater isnt a keyblade and why when he got his new one it had a chain.
The chain is a link to a persons heart and memories.
Perfect sync with there keyblade?
That makes no sense because your keyblade is stored in your heart >__>
Plus i think it was brought up in a previous thread terra seemed to have trouble summoning his.

Their keyblade isnt stored in their heart. That makes no sense. What is in their heart is the power to wield a keyblade. If their heart is strong enough and they are a chosen keyblade wielder, then they can hold the blade. The keychain does change the shape of the keyblade as someone said, it changes it into the keyblade of the original holder. I know that Sora gets some that just so happens to be from his friends and ends up being of his memories, but how does he get Oblivion? I really do think the keychain is just a way to summon the blade of a past keyblade wielder

[Captain Garlock]

Dude what you keep saying about past users makes no sense.
No one in BBS weilded the Kingdom Key it was picked out of the ground by Ven or terra i forget which one thats all we know.
I think its safe to assume that they picked the 3 keyblades owners knowing the masters would be needed again since they couldnt beat MX.

[Ultima_Terra]

Originally Posted by Reno/Axel

Dude what you keep saying about past users makes no sense.
No one in BBS weilded the Kingdom Key it was picked out of the ground by Ven or terra i forget which one thats all we know.
I think its safe to assume that they picked the 3 keyblades owners knowing the masters would be needed again since they couldnt beat MX.

Wow you are way off. Like I said before, those 3 blades were just symbols. They werent holding it when they were fighting MX and DS. When I say past wielders, it does make sense. It makes perfect sense. The keyblade war bud. Someone had to have wielded that keyblade during the war. I see what Glaurung said. I understand that too. That is a possiblility, thus why this is a THEORY. Im just making an educated statement from what I have been offered. Jesus. The kingdom key was picked up by Terra. just so you know. Ven picked up Way to Dawn, and Aqua picked up the Dark Keyblade....or something, I think. Im not sure what its called.

[Captain Garlock]

Ok the thing is i wouldnt call this a war>__>
This is differently not a keyblade war.
Because if you notice all the keyblades are destroyed.
Plus i dont think thats suppose to come yet
Also to further debate this could you show me where it says this is the keyblade war?
No one weilded the KK it was just picked out of the ground and probably sent to DI
Seeing as how terra was there watching Sora and roku fight with sticks maybe he saw potential in them >__>

[FNFUP]

Wow its getting a little hot in here....Lets all take a breather...

So anyway, I like this theory, but in defense, like he said the keyblade is not from your heart, otherwise anyone could wield a keyblade eh? Thus nulling your theory reno/axel. I like that theory of the past keyblade wielders because it makes loads of sense, then again there are holes, which we probably wont be able to figure out till the game comes out and we all beat it. It just might end up being correct, or maybe its totally off the wall, lets all wait and watch.