A Meaning Behind "Unbirth"

[Vic Viper]

If Ven lost his memories, and he's being told to reclaim them in order to find the truth. I guess that would mean he knows (or at least knew) something that's crucial to the plot.

[roxas_strife2]

If you are to consider this theory. I would have considered where the memories reside first off. Do they lie in the heart, the soul, or the body? We have no idea yet really, but the nobodies that didn't retain their human forms lost all their memories and they had the body and soul part. Sora still had his memories even when he was just a heart. The Nobodies that have their memories have human form even. I wonder if the reason they regain their forms has something to do with the POH. Sora didn't regain his heart until he had been touched by Kairi(one of the POH). Maybe memories have something to do with light or darkness even.

[Cissy]

This is what I think:

General, generic memories reside in the mind like they always do. This explains why The Org has memories of their past life without having a heart.

The truly important memories...the memories that allow someone to never ever forget their friends and things important to them, those reside in the heart. It's like remembering the people you love with your heart.

That's what I think, anyway.

[Vic Viper]

Originally Posted by Cisorlyx

This is what I think:

General, generic memories reside in the mind like they always do. This explains why The Org has memories of their past life without having a heart.

The truly important memories...the memories that allow someone to never ever forget their friends and things important to them, those reside in the heart. It's like remembering the people you love with your heart.

That's what I think, anyway.

I agree. They probably knew that fact in CO, and figured they could use that to their advantage by tricking Sora into thinking that's what's going on.

[roxas_strife2]

We'll just have to wait I guess. Another residence I would like to learn about is where magic comes from. I think it's the soul. You know how when you are playing in the Underworld in KH2 and those wisps appear and you strike them and they drop bubbles. Nobodies primarily drop those bubbles as well. I wonder if it's a tactical thing they place that implies you need magic or something more. I thinking that Magic is involved with this.

[Grace Assassin]

Originally Posted by Cisorlyx

This is what I think:

General, generic memories reside in the mind like they always do. This explains why The Org has memories of their past life without having a heart.

The truly important memories...the memories that allow someone to never ever forget their friends and things important to them, those reside in the heart. It's like remembering the people you love with your heart.

That's what I think, anyway.

Actually, all memories are generally stored in the heart. It's only when a Nobody is created that the memories are released from the heart to the Nobody (in what we can assume to be the mind).

That the Nobodies get memories is fact based on the Secret Ansem Reports and Another Report:

Apart from Naminé, Nobodies retain their memories of their time as humans, but Sora's Nobody, Roxas, has lost Sora's memories.

A Nobody's main characteristic is that without a heart they use memories to form the parts of a personality and emotions. For them, memories have become an essential element.

So how do we know that the Heartless lose the memories and the Nobodies don't simply have a copy of them (I was in an argument with someone over this once...). Simple. Look at Sora. When he turned into a heartless, he described the process of forgetting absolutely everything (all of his memorries were going to Roxas, but when he was regenerated by Kairi's light, Roxas lost those memories and they returned to Sora's heart).

I think it's safe to say that the memories are in the heart unless that heart is lost to the darkness of the heartless.

While it is interesting, the problem I have with this theory is that it's similar to the Heartless. Heartless are comprised of hearts without memories.

By the way, for anyone reading this, I'll be on a family vacation for the next five days just to give a heads up, so I won't be here during that time. (I also have to get off the family computer now since others have been waiting to use it. Unfortunately my laptop was infected with spyware yesterday and can't even reach the desktop :[ ... )

[Cissy]

Originally Posted by Grace Assassin

Actually, all memories are generally stored in the heart. It's only when a Nobody is created that the memories are released from the heart to the Nobody (in what we can assume to be the mind).

That the Nobodies get memories is fact based on the Secret Ansem Reports and Another Report:


So how do we know that the Heartless lose the memories and the Nobodies don't simply have a copy of them (I was in an argument with someone over this once...). Simple. Look at Sora. When he turned into a heartless, he described the process of forgetting absolutely everything (all of his memorries were going to Roxas, but when he was regenerated by Kairi's light, Roxas lost those memories and they returned to Sora's heart).

I think it's safe to say that the memories are in the heart unless that heart is lost to the darkness of the heartless.

While it is interesting, the problem I have with this theory is that it's similar to the Heartless. Heartless are comprised of hearts without memories.

By the way, for anyone reading this, I'll be on a family vacation for the next five days just to give a heads up, so I won't be here during that time. (I also have to get off the family computer now since others have been waiting to use it. Unfortunately my laptop was infected with spyware yesterday and can't even reach the desktop :[ ... )

I suppose that would make sense, also.

I just figured that having the most important memories of all stored in the heart would explain how Donald, Sora, and Goofy were supposed to "remember each other even if they're memories get erased."

Though I suppose your theory makes more sense.

Have a nice vacation, G.

[Vanguard XIII]

Who ever said Xehanort was begging TERRA for help??...

[.:Raz:.]

Who ever said Xehanort was begging TERRA for help??...

Are you talking about MX? Because most people think Terra is Xehanort.
Well, he's been seen working with Maleficent.

[THE-15th-MEMBER]

*claps*

I like the idea of the blue heart in the sky to be the heart of all memories, also the idea of Ven wanting to be turned into an Unbirth.

[Ragnarok]

Originally Posted by THE-15th-MEMBER

*claps*

I like the idea of the blue heart in the sky to be the heart of all memories, also the idea of Ven wanting to be turned into an Unbirth.

That would be one Dramatic cutscene. i could picture Aqua crying.

[Ren]

This is the one theory on Unbirths that has made sense while I'm reading it. Memories have a huge role in KH--if this theory turns out to be true or even partly accurate, it will explain a lot. I'm super impressed!

[Owaz]

Hey OmniChaos, I appreciate that you pointed the flaws out. I had no idea there were that many, but I'll answer them as best I can.

Originally Posted by OmniChaos

A large part of me doubts this...

Well, I am just giving my own interpretation of what that heart shaped void in the emblem could mean symbolically. Doubtlessly it has something to do with the heart.

Except that does not tie in with the name...

Maybe I didn't explain it good enough. But what I'm getting at is that Unbirths could be beings born without memories. That ties in better, right?

Kinda seems like a stretch... And, like I said, does not tie in with the name...

Nothing to say here.

And how would you explain the enemies being around before he accessed KH...? I'm sure when MX is after the "seven of pure heart," he is planning to open KH...

What enemies? If you're talking about the ginormous thing that turned to dust in the first segment of that video I linked, I think it's fair to say it was an early concept for Birth By Sleep that is no longer considered valid, just like the three missing Keyblades. But I think it's Maleficent who's after the Princesses, not Xehanort. Other than that, I don't really know.

Try more toward the end... That scene, referring to the secret ending, will most likely take place before the final battle...

Can't argue with that.

You failed to read the line before it... Terra says "friend"... Ven and Terra's friendship has already been established, so what is the point in referring Ven as "friend"...? The fact is that there is no reason... Is it impossible that he is referring to Ven...? No... Is it very likely...? Probably not...

I didn't fail, I just didn't think it was necessary to type. However, I can't imagine who else Terra would be talking about aside from Ven.

Or, should Ven be one of these "pure of heart", he may be referring to the purity...

"Recover everything" definitely implies recovering lost memories. I mean that scene depicts Ven having no clue who Xehanort is when he says "As for having met you..."

Submit =/= use of darkness...
Submit = giving into darkness...

I know. I'm just saying that if he submitted to the darkness, maybe he lost his Keyblade. Or he could be warning Terra not to submit to the darkness.

Possibly...

Yeah, not much else to say.

This can actually be used as proof to prove you wrong... "This power" that Terra speaks of most likely refers to the Fatal Mode...

I think the power Terra speaks of is the darkness. But Fatal Mode might be an ability spawned from it.

Or, he could be taking about erasing him in general... Seeing as how he seems to have something MX is after (his heart perhaps), Ven may want to be erased so that MX can never obtain it...

Maybe, but I wonder about the impression it would give if Aqua slaughtered her friend?

The dialogue indicates nothing...

If it indicated nothing I would not have wasted time typing all of that and responding to your post. :/

Or, it could still be the regular "Heart of all Worlds" KH...

Maybe.

Yes, but I doubt through the process in which you guess...

Fair enough.

Someone who isn't at best a pawn...?

LMAO!

I don't... Your theory on the unbirths does not even connect to their name... Plus the fact that the Secret Ending is obviously toward the end...

Unbirths = Those born without memories. That's my definition for them.

Anyway, I did my best to respond to your statements. Now I'll move on to others.

Originally Posted by aldrain

O my god this is the best theory about BBS yet! And wait so theyre pretty much sayin that unbirths are zombies:confused:

Not zombies. Just kinda like a cross of the characteristics of a Nobody and Heartless.

Originally Posted by Cisorlyx

This is what I think:

General, generic memories reside in the mind like they always do. This explains why The Org has memories of their past life without having a heart.

The truly important memories...the memories that allow someone to never ever forget their friends and things important to them, those reside in the heart. It's like remembering the people you love with your heart.

That's what I think, anyway.

I think you're right. :3

Originally Posted by Vanguard XIII

Who ever said Xehanort was begging TERRA for help??...

No one.

Originally Posted by THE-15th-MEMBER

*claps*

I like the idea of the blue heart in the sky to be the heart of all memories, also the idea of Ven wanting to be turned into an Unbirth.

Well, I wasn't implying that Ven wants to become an Unbirth himself. He probably just has important information or even painful memories that he wants to be rid of.

Phew... Finished.

[Dyingslow666]

Originally Posted by Ragnarok

That would be one Dramatic cutscene. i could picture Aqua crying.

I would just go into the scene and give her a big hug ='(

Seriously, this is the best theory I've heard about unbirths so far, seriously, awesome...

[1-up salesman]

That's a very interesting theory, and no doubt that the truth about Unbirths is very similar to this!