Falling to the Darkness... Blinded by the Light?

[Mythological One]

hmmm....

These are just a few random thoughts that this makes me think...

they say in the fairytale that darkness was born out of greed for the light. could there be something to that?

Mickey didn't think there was a good use for darkness before he met riku. Why wouldhe think that? Did he know Terra?

If, as some people believe, Terra uses darkness and MX used light, then what did Terra do to make Mickey think that?

Terra seems like he is being told to swich sides. Which side is he on to start with? And does he switch? I think his eyes at the end of the Secret trailer would suggest that he ends up employing darkness at a critical moment, unless of course, glowing yellow eyes are not uniques to those who use darkness. I highly doubt that though.

Is the keyblade a weapon of darkness or light? is it both or is each blade unique in this way?- thought I think that is a bit clearer now.

Why did sora discover the keyblade in the manner that he did?

Did MX really spurn the darkness? Or did he simply spurn those who SUBMIT to the darkness?

Is there a difference between harnessing darkness and submiting to it?

As a side note I would like to thank you for specificly saying that light can blind you, because as I once said, all thing depend on the balance between ddarkness and light, because too muck of either one is enough to blind you. Thanks for using the word blinding specificly. I think it is going to be important in the actual game.

[lycorismoon29]

Originally Posted by Mythological One

hmmm....

These are just a few random thoughts that this makes me think...

they say in the fairytale that darkness was born out of greed for the light. could there be something to that?

Mickey didn't think there was a good use for darkness before he met riku. Why wouldhe think that? Did he know Terra?

If, as some people believe, Terra uses darkness and MX used light, then what did Terra do to make Mickey think that?

Terra seems like he is being told to swich sides. Which side is he on to start with? And does he switch? I think his eyes at the end of the Secret trailer would suggest that he ends up employing darkness at a critical moment, unless of course, glowing yellow eyes are not uniques to those who use darkness. I highly doubt that though.

Is the keyblade a weapon of darkness or light? is it both or is each blade unique in this way?- thought I think that is a bit clearer now.

Why did sora discover the keyblade in the manner that he did?

Did MX really spurn the darkness? Or did he simply spurn those who SUBMIT to the darkness?

Is there a difference between harnessing darkness and submiting to it?

As a side note I would like to thank you for specificly saying that light can blind you, because as I once said, all thing depend on the balance between ddarkness and light, because too muck of either one is enough to blind you. Thanks for using the word blinding specificly. I think it is going to be important in the actual game.

I think we have to assume that Mickey doesn't remember who Terra and the rest of them are. (even though in his castle is the pathway to the Lingering Sentiment even though that is noncanon) That or it's a really big secret that he never wants to speak of.

Also, the Keyblade can be taken not as a weapon of light or darkness, but rather a weapon of the heart. It just depends on how you use it and where it originated from. Mickey got his IKK from the Realm of Darkness, yet he is still a being of the Light. Riku used to be a being of Light, switched to the Darkness and finally made it to the Twilight, but nothing of him is "bad". If the heart is strong, but full of Darkness (but not evil), the Keyblade will still work.

Also, the Light and Darkness can be bad in their own rights. Like Riku said, it's those that dwell within the Darkness that make is bad. We don't know if there are any bad people dwelling in the Light as well.

[MizuHikari]

I remember there being a topic like this...
and then a million people jumped down the poster's throat saying "Light is good! Monsters/creatures from the light are just a stupid idea!" Blah, Blah, mean things like that.
I'm glad this is being talked about again.
TOO much light is not always good because then there will be an inbalance between light and dark. And both have to stay in check with each other, otherwise; Chaos.

[SufferingAngel]

Originally Posted by Riku-Keyblade

I guess all of the PoH are going to then as well.
Don't think that will make Disney to happy...

I doubt that. All six has been proved to have strong Hearts by staying in HB to ward off the Darkness.
Jasmine a bit less but Belle for instance had that further elaborated on in KH2.
Kairi's the one whose strength of Heart we (arguably, happy?) got to see the least.

Originally Posted by lycorismoon29

That was how this problem of the Darkness started anyways. Everybody wanted the Light for themselves and started to fight over it.

Hum. That's hardly the same thing. KH1 resembles this as in everyone fighting over the PoHs, not the PoHs wrecking the universe XD

Originally Posted by Mythological One

If, as some people believe, Terra uses darkness and MX used light, then what did Terra do to make Mickey think that?

Fuse with MX? Lol.
Also, if Mickey knew about our Xehanort = Terra/MX (assuming you go by that theory) it would explain his resentment towards Darkness.
Riku was possibly a rerun of this, but he ended up being too strong for it.

As a side note I would like to thank you for specificly saying that light can blind you, because as I once said, all thing depend on the balance between ddarkness and light, because too muck of either one is enough to blind you. Thanks for using the word blinding specificly. I think it is going to be important in the actual game.

Personally, I believe it's much worse, in a way, to get 'lost' in the Light.
If you get lost in the Darkness, there's always the Light to bring you back - Riku's proof of that, as is Sora.
If you get blinded by the Light, however, Darkness and Light effectively lose meaning because you can't see either.
Glad you enjoyed

Originally Posted by lycorismoon29

I think we have to assume that Mickey doesn't remember who Terra and the rest of them are. (even though in his castle is the pathway to the Lingering Sentiment even though that is noncanon) That or it's a really big secret that he never wants to speak of.

Seems more logical to me it'd be the second option.

We don't know if there are any bad people dwelling in the Light as well.

Because we can't 'see' them - we're Blinded by their Light
Kairi is actually the perfect example - even if you say her ditching Riku on the Islands was to protect Sora and escape from Riku's Darkness - that doesn't change the fact she ditched Riku who was supposed to be one of her best friends - thus making it a bad bad thing.
Even if you accept the plot side of her act, you can't neglect her effectively breaking their friendship.

Originally Posted by MizuHikari

I remember there being a topic like this...
and then a million people jumped down the poster's throat saying "Light is good! Monsters/creatures from the light are just a stupid idea!" Blah, Blah, mean things like that.
I'm glad this is being talked about again.

I'm... glad I'm not being crucified then XD

TOO much light is not always good because then there will be an inbalance between light and dark. And both have to stay in check with each other, otherwise; Chaos.

Mmhm. What I think is vital about most of the PoHs that this doesn't seem to happen is that their Hearts, as I mentioned before, are being shown as strong Hearts (some of them, while some like... I think it was Cinderella... drew strength from the other PoHs being there).
Riku was probably the one who ended up kidnapping Belle, but she seemed to not even mind it in KH2 when Sora asked about Riku - showing she forgave him (assuming she knew he had to do with the whole mess, of course).

[lycorismoon29]

Originally Posted by SufferingAngel

Because we can't 'see' them - we're Blinded by their Light
Kairi is actually the perfect example - even if you say her ditching Riku on the Islands was to protect Sora and escape from Riku's Darkness - that doesn't change the fact she ditched Riku who was supposed to be one of her best friends - thus making it a bad bad thing.
Even if you accept the plot side of her act, you can't neglect her effectively breaking their friendship.

Which is why Kairi isn't cool at all. But leaving the hate of Kairi aside, I hope Sora can see the bigger picture now. I mean, he did admit in the Realm of Dark that there was no need for him or Riku to belong in the light anymore because it was safe and the King could protect it.

Maybe if Sora could stay within the Darkness, he'd be able to see just how bad the Light really is. Though I doubt Nomura and the storyboard writers are leading to something like that. It would be a different next step in the KH universe. I mean, even those within the Darkness can be nice (even if it is for their own motives, but Maleficent is a different story)

And I always thought Kairi was a thieving annoyance. It was Riku's idea to build the raft and he even constructed most of it. All she did was stand around and tell them what they needed to get. Then she was gonna take the raft without Riku.

If only Sora had grabbed Riku's hand when he offered it.

Sora: -after much struggle, he takes Riku's hand-
Riku: -in his head- Haha bitch! I got Sora now! You can keep the raft! You were gonna ruin our friendship but now I can see that the light is corrupt!

It would be the darker side of KH.

Ok...So this is completely surrounded by the hate of Kairi.

How is she a Princess of heart if she is so selfish?

[SufferingAngel]

Originally Posted by lycorismoon29

Which is why Kairi isn't cool at all. But leaving the hate of Kairi aside, I hope Sora can see the bigger picture now. I mean, he did admit in the Realm of Dark that there was no need for him or Riku to belong in the light anymore because it was safe and the King could protect it.

Maybe if Sora could stay within the Darkness, he'd be able to see just how bad the Light really is. Though I doubt Nomura and the storyboard writers are leading to something like that. It would be a different next step in the KH universe. I mean, even those within the Darkness can be nice (even if it is for their own motives, but Maleficent is a different story)

Kairi hate aside, I'm being nice now XD though that is one of the reaons why I disliked her right off the bat.

As for Riku and Sora agreeing to stay in the Darkness, I agree. I don't think they'd see 'just how bad the Light really is', because the Darkness isn't really evil too. Both elements have both sides, but I do agree that Sora should open up to the option the Light can be bad - just like Riku proved the Darkness can be good.
Doubt they'd use Kairi for that, though it would completely redeem her as a character, specifically since we'll know she was supposed to be that mean and disrespectful.

And I always thought Kairi was a thieving annoyance. It was Riku's idea to build the raft and he even constructed most of it. All she did was stand around and tell them what they needed to get. Then she was gonna take the raft without Riku.

If only Sora had grabbed Riku's hand when he offered it.

I love you <3
It was an amusing moment - had Sora managed to grab onto Riku's hand, they'd have left Kairi behind, despite Riku having said, a mere moment ago, that she was coming with them.

Sora: -after much struggle, he takes Riku's hand-
Riku: -in his head- Haha bitch! I got Sora now! You can keep the raft! You were gonna ruin our friendship but now I can see that the light is corrupt!

Actually, I can really see her coming in between Sora and Riku as friends. Remember the drawing that ended up as her and Sora would-be sharing a Paopu?
Well, guess what - the Secret Place was originally just Sora and Riku's.
Then Sora unwittingly got Kairi in and they drew that.
Riku's a jealous guy; imagine how he must've felt.

Ok...So this is completely surrounded by the hate of Kairi.

Most threads I'm in much less ones I started end up getting to that point.

How is she a Princess of heart if she is so selfish?

To be fair, the same can be said about Aurora, Cinderella, and Snow White, being the classic Disney Princesses with no character whatsoever.
And no one said a PRincess of Heart had Light in her Heart. I can't stress this enough XD more than them being Light, they're just completely devoid of Darkness.
That, however, is the perfect place for Light to sneak in and blind them, seeing how having Darkness in one's Heart is more or less shown as a sign of being human. Even the strongest Hearts are susceptible to it, even the people with most Light in their Hearts have Darkness - like Sora.
A weak Hearted PoH (which is more than possible, if you say that weakness of Heart is what made Kairi's Heart to be removed from her Body at the start of KH1) is the perfectest case for Light to show just how Evil it can be, with no Darkness to make the human... humane.
Riku did what he did because he was hurt by Sora and Kairi; he was jealous for Sora; he was lonely and frustrated. He was doing what many other people would've done in his case.
Kairi can't even seem able to be jealous for Sora, nor care for Riku for him being tainted with Darkness.
I think, if you say she truly has a weak Heart (which I do XD), that she can't be anything but this selfish, because she's a PoH.

[lycorismoon29]

Originally Posted by SufferingAngel

Kairi hate aside, I'm being nice now XD though that is one of the reaons why I disliked her right off the bat.

I liked her when i was younger, just because I was younger and she was one of the only female characters in the game. And I always liked Yuffie and Aeris/Aerith and the Disney Princesses that did something. After I replayed the game, I saw how selfish she was and how she was the main reason for Riku and Sora's feuding.

As for Riku and Sora agreeing to stay in the Darkness, I agree. I don't think they'd see 'just how bad the Light really is', because the Darkness isn't really evil too. Both elements have both sides, but I do agree that Sora should open up to the option the Light can be bad - just like Riku proved the Darkness can be good.
Doubt they'd use Kairi for that, though it would completely redeem her as a character, specifically since we'll know she was supposed to be that mean and disrespectful.

It would. I would like Kairi if she became evil and gained a place in the plot.

I love you <3
It was an amusing moment - had Sora managed to grab onto Riku's hand, they'd have left Kairi behind, despite Riku having said, a mere moment ago, that she was coming with them.

Lmao! it was all about who could get Sora's attention. We know Riku didn't care about Kairi at all. He was just doing it for Sora to make him happy and put some attention on to himself.

Actually, I can really see her coming in between Sora and Riku as friends. Remember the drawing that ended up as her and Sora would-be sharing a Paopu?
Well, guess what - the Secret Place was originally just Sora and Riku's.
Then Sora unwittingly got Kairi in and they drew that.
Riku's a jealous guy; imagine how he must've felt.

That is why Sora and Kairi can't become romantically involved. It would leave Riku with nobody. As long as Sora, Riku, and Kairi stay their little trio (without Kairi trying to pull Sora away from Riku) I will be okay.

Most threads I'm in much less ones I started end up getting to that point.

Hey, better to spread the news of Kairi's uselessness rather than keeping it rapped up. More people must realize she isn't anything but a plot device.

To be fair, the same can be said about Aurora, Cinderella, and Snow White, being the classic Disney Princesses with no character whatsoever.
And no one said a PRincess of Heart had Light in her Heart. I can't stress this enough XD more than them being Light, they're just completely devoid of Darkness.
That, however, is the perfect place for Light to sneak in and blind them, seeing how having Darkness in one's Heart is more or less shown as a sign of being human. Even the strongest Hearts are susceptible to it, even the people with most Light in their Hearts have Darkness - like Sora.
A weak Hearted PoH (which is more than possible, if you say that weakness of Heart is what made Kairi's Heart to be removed from her Body at the start of KH1) is the perfectest case for Light to show just how Evil it can be, with no Darkness to make the human... humane.
Riku did what he did because he was hurt by Sora and Kairi; he was jealous for Sora; he was lonely and frustrated. He was doing what many other people would've done in his case.
Kairi can't even seem able to be jealous for Sora, nor care for Riku for him being tainted with Darkness.
I think, if you say she truly has a weak Heart (which I do XD), that she can't be anything but this selfish, because she's a PoH.

-agrees wholeheartedly- The classic Princesses waited for their Prince to come save them. Not like the other ones who went and looked for their Prince and actively did something. Well, except for Alice. She went on an adventure and was very smart about it and that makes her an active PoH.

I've wondered why the PoH have no Darkness within them. It seems a bit too incredible that they don't.

[SufferingAngel]

Originally Posted by lycorismoon29

I liked her when i was younger, just because I was younger and she was one of the only female characters in the game. And I always liked Yuffie and Aeris/Aerith and the Disney Princesses that did something. After I replayed the game, I saw how selfish she was and how she was the main reason for Riku and Sora's feuding.

I knew a girl like that.
Then she came to the lecture my monster essay was spawned from and I half went scene by scene with her.
She still likes Kairi but a whole lot less XD;;;
And I still like the girl that came up to me after that and said "I used to not have a problem with Kairi. I do now."

It would. I would like Kairi if she became evil and gained a place in the plot.

Her gaining a place in the plot is one heck of an added bonus. I'm talking first and foremost about her being supposed to be such a rotten ***** and not "oh I'm a Princess of Heart and Light and I'm inlove with Sora and I'm supposed to love everyone but I only care about Sora so bye Riku see you in hell <3"
That was what got me from frustrated to loathing.
I could love her if she was a villain, though - like I do Larxene <3

Lmao! it was all about who could get Sora's attention. We know Riku didn't care about Kairi at all. He was just doing it for Sora to make him happy and put some attention on to himself.

Mmhm. Like in Traverse Town - he just shrugged Kairi off with a "Isn't she with you?" And then tried to get Sora's mind off of her completely by making him leave everything to Riku. Who didn't seem too concerned for her safety, seeing how he was busy eating himself from the inside out over Sora preferring a talking goose and an odd dog over him.

That is why Sora and Kairi can't become romantically involved. It would leave Riku with nobody. As long as Sora, Riku, and Kairi stay their little trio (without Kairi trying to pull Sora away from Riku) I will be okay.

Two reasons why I dislike Kairi and adore Namine at the same time -
1) Namine accepts Riku as a friend on his own without there being relations to Sora.
2) Namine accepts Riku and Sora's bond and would've never gotten in between them. (intentionally. Them fighting over her is another issue but then again without Namine 'choosing' like Kairi did, there wouldn't be a reason to do so, seeing how Sora and Riku can coexist)

SRK can't really be a trio since Riku and Kairi aren't a "pair".
SRN would've worked perfectly since all three dots are connected.

Hey, better to spread the news of Kairi's uselessness rather than keeping it rapped up. More people must realize she isn't anything but a plot device.

I'm afraid not. Most people I talked to presented odd plot analysis that while I understand where they're coming from while liking Kairi, well... I tried. I really did. But there was too much to contradict it. XD It was too easy.
That, and a lot of people actually use the whole 'she wanted to leave Riku behind because he was tainted by Darkness! It was a good thing!' Without understanding that no, that is a bad thing seeing how Kairi and Riku are supposed to be friends. Supposed to :\
And she still fails as a plot device too XD;

-agrees wholeheartedly- The classic Princesses waited for their Prince to come save them. Not like the other ones who went and looked for their Prince and actively did something. Well, except for Alice. She went on an adventure and was very smart about it and that makes her an active PoH.

I never did understand why they had Alice as a Princess, though she does make sense in a way - she's too innocent and naive to have Darkness. I guess they just wanted the world in, and I can't blame them - it's one of my favorite worlds (that, and they wanted to show Sora's weakness towards blondes XD).

I've wondered why the PoH have no Darkness within them. It seems a bit too incredible that they don't.

A small tiny part of me hopes for this to be referred to in BBS, seeing how Cinderella and Aurora's worlds are confirmed, I believe. And Maleficent's there, too, so we might even see how she found out about the Prinesses to begin with.
I agree though that even as a plot-issue, it seems far too incredible, even when compared with Keyblade Wielders. After all, we saw what Sora and Riku went through for their Keyblades, so we can believe in Strong Hearts.
Pure Hearts, however, contradict basic human nature.
I can only pray this gets explained, but I'm not holding my breath.

An explanation I heard from a friend though actually made a bit of sense, especially if you consider their connection to the Keyhole to Darkness, and there being a door behind which Kingdom Hearts is hidden.
KH was probably protecting itself, possibly in light of the events in BBS.
The question remains, however, how one "becomes" a PoH, seeing how if that's the case, Kairi was the only one young enough (well, her and maybe Alice) to have been born afterwards, and even that is unlikely, seeing how Sora and Riku were already 4-5 and thus Kairi was 4 also - when Terra came to the Islands and saw Riku and Sora playing.

Meh.
I want this explained :cursing:

[lycorismoon29]

Originally Posted by SufferingAngel

I knew a girl like that.
Then she came to the lecture my monster essay was spawned from and I half went scene by scene with her.
She still likes Kairi but a whole lot less XD;;;
And I still like the girl that came up to me after that and said "I used to not have a problem with Kairi. I do now."

Lmao! My friend loves Kairi. Me and my other friend don't know how. Everytime she says "Kairi was with Sora the whole time" we tell her "But Sora was looking for Riku." "But they found Riku!" "And Sora cried over it. Sora just kinda returned a hug apprehensively to Kairi." "She wrote the letter and brought them home!" "THEY WERE GONNA STAY IN THE DARKNESS!"

Her gaining a place in the plot is one heck of an added bonus. I'm talking first and foremost about her being supposed to be such a rotten ***** and not "oh I'm a Princess of Heart and Light and I'm inlove with Sora and I'm supposed to love everyone but I only care about Sora so bye Riku see you in hell <3"
That was what got me from frustrated to loathing.
I could love her if she was a villain, though - like I do Larxene <3

Larxene is the best sadist villain I have seen yet. And her reading the book on Marquis de Sade made me like her more than ever. What a better way to confirm your sadistic ways by reading a book on one of the first men to touch on sadistic tendencies in the 1700's.

"Sora's in danger...Because of me!" No, Sora is in danger because he has the Keyblade.

Mmhm. Like in Traverse Town - he just shrugged Kairi off with a "Isn't she with you?" And then tried to get Sora's mind off of her completely by making him leave everything to Riku. Who didn't seem too concerned for her safety, seeing how he was busy eating himself from the inside out over Sora preferring a talking goose and an odd dog over him.

Lmao! Sora offered though, but I guess Riku was more jealous than rational. But that is okay because it just made their relationship stronger.

Two reasons why I dislike Kairi and adore Namine at the same time -
1) Namine accepts Riku as a friend on his own without there being relations to Sora.
2) Namine accepts Riku and Sora's bond and would've never gotten in between them. (intentionally. Them fighting over her is another issue but then again without Namine 'choosing' like Kairi did, there wouldn't be a reason to do so, seeing how Sora and Riku can coexist)

SRK can't really be a trio since Riku and Kairi aren't a "pair".
SRN would've worked perfectly since all three dots are connected.

Namine was always awesome to me when she was in that scene in the beginning at her table and you see her "Namine doll inside a cage." I thought that was so sad and made her a great character from the beginning. In that one scene it built her character and what the problem was.

And them fighting wasn't really them fighting since it was Replica Riku and memory distorted Sora.

SRK is true that Riku and Kairi aren't a pair, but for the sake of how Nomura and his team has them placed in the story, just as long as Kairi doesn't take Sora away, there will be no problems.

SRN would have been sweet, since it had a better story and was much more sweet.

I'm afraid not. Most people I talked to presented odd plot analysis that while I understand where they're coming from while liking Kairi, well... I tried. I really did. But there was too much to contradict it. XD It was too easy.
That, and a lot of people actually use the whole 'she wanted to leave Riku behind because he was tainted by Darkness! It was a good thing!' Without understanding that no, that is a bad thing seeing how Kairi and Riku are supposed to be friends. Supposed to :\
And she still fails as a plot device too XD;

True. She never cared about Riku, but only seemed to care because Sora cared. And I still don't get why she can use Riku's extra Keyblade. Her plot device-ness isn't working since there is no logic about her.

I never did understand why they had Alice as a Princess, though she does make sense in a way - she's too innocent and naive to have Darkness. I guess they just wanted the world in, and I can't blame them - it's one of my favorite worlds (that, and they wanted to show Sora's weakness towards blondes XD).

It was so fun to play in. Shrinking, Getting bigger. Being in an area upside-down! (it was also to show he has no feelings toward redheads)

A small tiny part of me hopes for this to be referred to in BBS, seeing how Cinderella and Aurora's worlds are confirmed, I believe. And Maleficent's there, too, so we might even see how she found out about the Prinesses to begin with.
I agree though that even as a plot-issue, it seems far too incredible, even when compared with Keyblade Wielders. After all, we saw what Sora and Riku went through for their Keyblades, so we can believe in Strong Hearts.
Pure Hearts, however, contradict basic human nature.
I can only pray this gets explained, but I'm not holding my breath.

So do I. Back to my question on how Kairi could use Riku's extra keyblade.

An explanation I heard from a friend though actually made a bit of sense, especially if you consider their connection to the Keyhole to Darkness, and there being a door behind which Kingdom Hearts is hidden.
KH was probably protecting itself, possibly in light of the events in BBS.
The question remains, however, how one "becomes" a PoH, seeing how if that's the case, Kairi was the only one young enough (well, her and maybe Alice) to have been born afterwards, and even that is unlikely, seeing how Sora and Riku were already 4-5 and thus Kairi was 4 also - when Terra came to the Islands and saw Riku and Sora playing.

Meh.
I want this explained :cursing:

-sits and waits for DKΣ3713-

Oh! And why does Kairi say in KH1 "Riku can handle things without us" yet in KH2 she says "You know Sora is completely hopeless without us!" Is she backwards or something?

And haven't I read somewhere that Kairi's name can also mean "Separation"

And the ocean was what kept Sora from Riku in the opening scene. And Kai means "sea"........

So the "Sea" keeps the "Sky" "separated" from the "Land."

[SufferingAngel]

Originally Posted by lycorismoon29

Lmao! My friend loves Kairi. Me and my other friend don't know how. Everytime she says "Kairi was with Sora the whole time" we tell her "But Sora was looking for Riku." "But they found Riku!" "And Sora cried over it. Sora just kinda returned a hug apprehensively to Kairi." "She wrote the letter and brought them home!" "THEY WERE GONNA STAY IN THE DARKNESS!"

Your first crucial mistake is debating KH2 which assumes we believe in SoKai from before.
Which we don't.
And I watched a clip that when Sora and Riku were walking towards the DtL, they pasted in Namine's face over the Light XD I couldn't stop laughing, it fit so well.

Larxene is the best sadist villain I have seen yet. And her reading the book on Marquis de Sade made me like her more than ever. What a better way to confirm your sadistic ways by reading a book on one of the first men to touch on sadistic tendencies in the 1700's.

If you wanna be the best, gotta learn from the best ;)

"Sora's in danger...Because of me!" No, Sora is in danger because he has the Keyblade.

Yes, unlike Kairi who's in Danger because of Sora.
That's why when he says "so it's MY fault" it's true. in a way. Not his fault he had a Heart strong enough to wield the Keyblade. But he's the cause.

Lmao! Sora offered though, but I guess Riku was more jealous than rational. But that is okay because it just made their relationship stronger.

Well, Maleficent was already feeding Riku with her lies by then, and I don't believe there's too much love lost between Riku and Donald. By the time Sora managed to put up a proper fight, Riku was gone so he couldn't see Sora insisting for his sake.

Namine was always awesome to me when she was in that scene in the beginning at her table and you see her "Namine doll inside a cage." I thought that was so sad and made her a great character from the beginning. In that one scene it built her character and what the problem was.

Because Namine actually had a character XD;
But yes. The doll was an amazing concept.

And them fighting wasn't really them fighting since it was Replica Riku and memory distorted Sora.

True that. Riku never did fit into the Promise Memory, seeing how that was originally a Memory for Sora.
As for Sora, I do count how he treated Namine, seeing how it were his Memories and not Emotions that were altered (unlike in KH1 where Kairi's Heart affected Sora's own. Talk about Light playing dirty).
Sora acted the way he should've towards such a good, close friend the way he thought Namine was - and at the start, when he still remembered Riku rather well, he offered Repliku to save Namine together - thus showing the true fighting came from Repliku, not Sora.

SRK is true that Riku and Kairi aren't a pair, but for the sake of how Nomura and his team has them placed in the story, just as long as Kairi doesn't take Sora away, there will be no problems.

Which she probably will. Especially if my prayers are heard and my wishes granted and she turns evil. But that'd be much better than what we have current day.

SRN would have been sweet, since it had a better story and was much more sweet.

That's because Namine >>>> Kairi, seeing how Sora = Sora and Riku = Riku. That's why SRN >>>> SRK.

True. She never cared about Riku, but only seemed to care because Sora cared. And I still don't get why she can use Riku's extra Keyblade. Her plot device-ness isn't working since there is no logic about her.

Before I came to the conclusion that her Keyblade was Riku's and not her very own, I suggested that just like Roxas received Keyblade powers from Sora, so did Namine - seeing how she's more Sora's Nobody than Kairi's (seeing how a Nobody = Body and Soul and those were Sora's in Namine).
Then Kairi got Keyblade Wielding powers through Namine.
Throw in her being a PoH with some dubious links to the Keyblade and Riku duel wielding, and it makes sense.
Somewhat.

Oh! And why does Kairi say in KH1 "Riku can handle things without us" yet in KH2 she says "You know Sora is completely hopeless without us!" Is she backwards or something?

Because she's obssessed with Sora so he can't be allowed to breath without her, while the Darkness-tainted one can do fine. He has Darkness, Sora needs his 'Light' *remotely keeps on topic XD*

And haven't I read somewhere that Kairi's name can also mean "Separation"

And the ocean was what kept Sora from Riku in the opening scene. And Kai means "sea"........

So the "Sea" keeps the "Sky" "separated" from the "Land."

I actually love the Names' meanings.

Kairi truly can mean Separation.
Riku can also mean, get this - the ache of separation.
Just these alone more or less prove that Riku did what he did because he was hurt by Kairi for she truly did come in between him and Sora.
Good going, Light-Child. Pfft.

Though in a way this fits in nicely with the story Kairi's grandmother gave her. Though the Light everyone fought over was Sora and not Kairi XD;
If you say though that Sora was the 'Light' for he was the most humane (strong enough to not give into the Darkness, still impure enough to be devoured by the light), it makes sense.

[lycorismoon29]

Originally Posted by SufferingAngel

Your first crucial mistake is debating KH2 which assumes we believe in SoKai from before.
Which we don't.
And I watched a clip that when Sora and Riku were walking towards the DtL, they pasted in Namine's face over the Light XD I couldn't stop laughing, it fit so well.

Lmao! I'd love to see that! Namine was the one who saved them most of the time. I didn't see Kairi opening portals that lead to freedom and home.

If you wanna be the best, gotta learn from the best ;)

So true! -nods vigorously-

Yes, unlike Kairi who's in Danger because of Sora.
That's why when he says "so it's MY fault" it's true. in a way. Not his fault he had a Heart strong enough to wield the Keyblade. But he's the cause.

Well, Maleficent was already feeding Riku with her lies by then, and I don't believe there's too much love lost between Riku and Donald. By the time Sora managed to put up a proper fight, Riku was gone so he couldn't see Sora insisting for his sake.

True. But again, that is what makes Riku and Sora's relationship stronger.

True that. Riku never did fit into the Promise Memory, seeing how that was originally a Memory for Sora.
As for Sora, I do count how he treated Namine, seeing how it were his Memories and not Emotions that were altered (unlike in KH1 where Kairi's Heart affected Sora's own. Talk about Light playing dirty).
Sora acted the way he should've towards such a good, close friend the way he thought Namine was - and at the start, when he still remembered Riku rather well, he offered Repliku to save Namine together - thus showing the true fighting came from Repliku, not Sora.

Ah! That is very true! Hm, now I miss Repliku. He also had a better story than Kairi.

Which she probably will. Especially if my prayers are heard and my wishes granted and she turns evil. But that'd be much better than what we have current day.

And when that day comes when she steals Sora away, i will cry. Not for it being sweet, but for how tragic it will be unless she gains a character.

Before I came to the conclusion that her Keyblade was Riku's and not her very own, I suggested that just like Roxas received Keyblade powers from Sora, so did Namine - seeing how she's more Sora's Nobody than Kairi's (seeing how a Nobody = Body and Soul and those were Sora's in Namine).
Then Kairi got Keyblade Wielding powers through Namine.
Throw in her being a PoH with some dubious links to the Keyblade and Riku duel wielding, and it makes sense.
Somewhat.

Somewhat. But it ruins the effort it took for Riku and Sora to gain the Keyblade. And Roxas too in a sense.

[/quote]Because she's obssessed with Sora so he can't be allowed to breath without her, while the Darkness-tainted one can do fine. He has Darkness, Sora needs his 'Light' *remotely keeps on topic XD*[/quote]

And Sora doesn't really need his light. He just needs a healthy balance of both! And control over that Heartless form of himself. Once he does that, he won't need the Light as much.

I actually love the Names' meanings.

Kairi truly can mean Separation.
Riku can also mean, get this - the ache of separation.
Just these alone more or less prove that Riku did what he did because he was hurt by Kairi for she truly did come in between him and Sora.
Good going, Light-Child. Pfft.

Though in a way this fits in nicely with the story Kairi's grandmother gave her. Though the Light everyone fought over was Sora and not Kairi XD;
If you say though that Sora was the 'Light' for he was the most humane (strong enough to not give into the Darkness, still impure enough to be devoured by the light), it makes sense.

I didn't know that about Riku's name! Lol! So it completely fits and shows just how bad the Light can potentially be. It keeps people apart and creates sides split from each other.


-thinks of a dumb theory during the process of replying- Lol!

[SufferingAngel]

Originally Posted by lycorismoon29

Lmao! I'd love to see that!

YouTube - Lips Of An Angel -collab with spongebobfan1661-

I love this clip so so much. Read the lyrics, also.
LIPS OF AN ANGEL Lyrics - HINDER

Point of the clip - despite Sora allegedly being with Kairi, it's ok for him to cheat if it's for Namine.

Namine was the one who saved them most of the time. I didn't see Kairi opening portals that lead to freedom and home.

Some would say that's exactly what she did at the end of KH2.
I say Sora was hungry and remembered his mother existed to make him lunch.

True. But again, that is what makes Riku and Sora's relationship stronger.

Or proof of that. Sora had that much faith in them, while Riku got that much hurt over the would-be breaking of it.

Ah! That is very true! Hm, now I miss Repliku. He also had a better story than Kairi.

To be completely fair, Repliku had a better story and character development than most characters.

And when that day comes when she steals Sora away, i will cry. Not for it being sweet, but for how tragic it will be unless she gains a character.

Despite it being possible basis for SoKai (and real one at that, finally) I'd love to see a conflict between them - part of why SoKai is such a plain relationship at best.
Sora and Riku had KH1 for their conflict.
Namine and Sora had to face their Memories together being made up by Namine.
Time for Kairi to finally do something for Sora to forgive her for and properly gain her place next to him once she redeemed herself.

Somewhat. But it ruins the effort it took for Riku and Sora to gain the Keyblade. And Roxas too in a sense.

True, but then we differentiate between them being Masters and Kairi being a Mere Wielder with Riku as a sort of a Master for her (...kinky).
The Keyblade is not her own, she can just bat some Shadows with it.

And Sora doesn't really need his light. He just needs a healthy balance of both! And control over that Heartless form of himself. Once he does that, he won't need the Light as much.

This actually brings me back to the Destati - The closer you get to the Light, the greater your Shadow becomes.
This is true for both regular people and for PoHs.
PoHs, being the closest to the Light - would have the biggest shadow.
Sora, being also close to the Light yet with a Heart capable of housing Darkness - has so much Darkness inside him it takes over periodically (lol, Sora's PMSing)

I didn't know that about Riku's name! Lol! So it completely fits and shows just how bad the Light can potentially be. It keeps people apart and creates sides split from each other.

Yep. Think back to Oji bringing up the Yin-Yang issue.
Riku is Yin (the one symbolizing Darkness). Sora is Yang. They complete each other because they are not complete opposites.
Kairi, however, being simply Light without any Darkness at all in her, disturbs the balance. (and thus, the anti-Kairi discussion became on topic again XD)

[lycorismoon29]

Originally Posted by SufferingAngel

YouTube - Lips Of An Angel -collab with spongebobfan1661-

I love this clip so so much. Read the lyrics, also.
LIPS OF AN ANGEL Lyrics - HINDER

Point of the clip - despite Sora allegedly being with Kairi, it's ok for him to cheat if it's for Namine.

-clicks and watches- OMG! that was a really good video! Lmao! I laughed at the Namine DttL! But that was so sweet. It also shows that there was more interaction with Namine and Sora than with Kairi and Sora.

Some would say that's exactly what she did at the end of KH2.
I say Sora was hungry and remembered his mother existed to make him lunch.

Or that dinner he never went to the night of the Storm.

To be completely fair, Repliku had a better story and character development than most characters.

Very true. -wishes that Riku didn't really finish off Repliku-

Despite it being possible basis for SoKai (and real one at that, finally) I'd love to see a conflict between them - part of why SoKai is such a plain relationship at best.
Sora and Riku had KH1 for their conflict.
Namine and Sora had to face their Memories together being made up by Namine.
Time for Kairi to finally do something for Sora to forgive her for and properly gain her place next to him once she redeemed herself.

-nods-

Yep. Think back to Oji bringing up the Yin-Yang issue.
Riku is Yin (the one symbolizing Darkness). Sora is Yang. They complete each other because they are not complete opposites.
Kairi, however, being simply Light without any Darkness a