learning about them

moogless26 · 07/21/08, 02:48 PM

Hello,

i'm been a long time from this forum so i didn't follow everything.

but i have a thing that botters my.

there's a cutscene were it says that there were 2 persons who turned into heartless and turned back to there human forms.
now my point is, the first were sora, but the second, i though the cutscene said it was Xehanort.
it's the only one who is possible to do.

that means that roxas and xemnas are a little the same as how they are 'born', we can now learn more about the two.

a heartless forgot his past live. sora keep his self, but he starting to forget things.
roxas has no memories, so my point is, as someone turns into a heartless, they start to forget things time by time, the things they forget are going to the nobody of that person. but as the heartless go back to a human form this 'uploading progress' stops.

that's why i think xemnas and roxas has no memories of there past live( or little) and the other member has.

discuss please

~~Marluxia.light~~ · 07/21/08, 02:50 PM

This thread should be move to KH2 ......

moogless26 · 07/21/08, 02:56 PM

no why, it means thatthe one who created xemnas, and ansem( the heartless) als created another nobody that we didn't see, cause as someone goes back from heartless to human, there isn't a heartless any more.

and so far i know ansem is a heartless;)

.Oji · 07/21/08, 04:20 PM

Well, firstly, Roxas didn't retain any memory of Sora because of Sora's limited time as a heartless. Xemnas has memories of Xehanort's past, otherwise he wouldn't have known about the Room of Sleep.

Xehanort created both Xemnas and Ansem (SoD) when he submitted to darkness. I don't think you can create multiple heartless or nobodies from one heart, one body, and one soul -- just one per person.

Glaurung · 07/21/08, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by moogless26

Hello,

i'm been a long time from this forum so i didn't follow everything.

but i have a thing that botters my.

Your grammar "botters my", too.

moogless26 · 07/21/08, 04:24 PM

ok so you're saying that when sora and roxas were on there own, and sora changed in a heartless there weren't created a second nobody?

.Oji · 07/21/08, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by moogless26

ok so you're saying that when sora and roxas were on there own, and sora changed in a heartless there weren't created a second nobody?

What do you mean by, "On there own?"

Okay, in KH, Sora created two nobodies because he had two hearts within him at the time, correct? Those two are Roxas and Namine. I didn't see a third heart coming out of him, so no, there isn't another nobody.

moogless26 · 07/21/08, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Annatar Ring-Maker

Your grammar "botters my", too.

**** you bitch we aren't al perfect, so what if i someone from the netherlands, than my english wouldn't be perfect, if you have to writed dutch you suck too so **** you.

giggleyroxas · 07/21/08, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by .Oji

What do you mean by, "On there own?"

Okay, in KH, Sora created two nobodies because he had two hearts within him at the time, correct? Those two are Roxas and Namine. I didn't see a third heart coming out of him, so no, there isn't another nobody.

he had 7 hearts because of the princess's of heart, hearts, he had snow whites, belles, sleeping beutys,kairis, alices, jasmins,and cinderellas

Glaurung · 07/21/08, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by giggleyroxas

he had 7 hearts because of the princess's of heart, hearts, he had snow whites, belles, sleeping beutys,kairis, alices, jasmins,and cinderellas

Sora only had his and Kairi's hearts, not all seven princesses'.

.Oji · 07/21/08, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by moogless26

**** you bitch we aren't al perfect, so what if i someone from the netherlands, than my english wouldn't be perfect, if you have to writed dutch you suck too so **** you.

Let's not start that, please. Just ignore, k? ^_^

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Originally Posted by giggleyroxas

he had 7 hearts because of the princess's of heart, hearts, he had snow whites, belles, sleeping beutys,kairis, alices, jasmins,and cinderellas

6 PoH's hearts were in the Heart Unlocker. When it was destroyed, their hearts went back to them -- they were never in Sora, only Kairi's heart.

giggleyroxas · 07/21/08, 04:49 PM

thats right :unsure: my bad

Audo · 07/21/08, 05:48 PM

First, the scene you are talking about is CoM.
And you have it wrong too. They say that only two people had ever kept their will and sense of self as a Heartless, being Sora and Xehanort.
The reason why this was is because they cast off their bodies on their own will. It was their choice. That was why they kept their sense of self.
You're right about the Memories being transported to the Nobody as they are a heartless.
This is why Nami, and Roxas, don't have memories of their past self.
Nami and Roxas were created at the same time, when Sora turned the Heart Unlocker Keyblade on himself, release his and Kairi's hearts.
Xemnas has memories of his life as Xehanort - Ansem's Apprentice. This is made clear when he talks to Ansem the Wise in TWTNW about the past as an apprentice, and how only a fool would study under him.
When Xehanort became a Heartless, he did it on his own accord, while the other apprentices had their hearts taken from them without their choice. When he casted off his body, he created his Nobody Xemnas - Leader of Organization XIII, and his heartless - Xehanort's Heartless.
But Xemnas, Nami and Roxas are all alike in that they are all considered "Special Nobodies"

07/21/08, 02:48 PM	#1
moogless26 Court Mage Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 49 Rep Power: 0	learning about them Hello, i'm been a long time from this forum so i didn't follow everything. but i have a thing that botters my. there's a cutscene were it says that there were 2 persons who turned into heartless and turned back to there human forms. now my point is, the first were sora, but the second, i though the cutscene said it was Xehanort. it's the only one who is possible to do. that means that roxas and xemnas are a little the same as how they are 'born', we can now learn more about the two. a heartless forgot his past live. sora keep his self, but he starting to forget things. roxas has no memories, so my point is, as someone turns into a heartless, they start to forget things time by time, the things they forget are going to the nobody of that person. but as the heartless go back to a human form this 'uploading progress' stops. that's why i think xemnas and roxas has no memories of there past live( or little) and the other member has. discuss please

07/21/08, 02:50 PM	#2
~~Marluxia.light~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Japan日本語 Age: 16 Posts: 324 Rep Power: 0	Re: learning about them This thread should be move to KH2 ......

07/21/08, 02:56 PM	#3
moogless26 Court Mage Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 49 Rep Power: 0	Re: learning about them no why, it means thatthe one who created xemnas, and ansem( the heartless) als created another nobody that we didn't see, cause as someone goes back from heartless to human, there isn't a heartless any more. and so far i know ansem is a heartless;)

07/21/08, 04:20 PM	#4
.Oji 赤いテキスト Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: 王子駅 Age: 21 Posts: 1,308 Rep Power: 6	Re: learning about them Well, firstly, Roxas didn't retain any memory of Sora because of Sora's limited time as a heartless. Xemnas has memories of Xehanort's past, otherwise he wouldn't have known about the Room of Sleep. Xehanort created both Xemnas and Ansem (SoD) when he submitted to darkness. I don't think you can create multiple heartless or nobodies from one heart, one body, and one soul -- just one per person.

07/21/08, 04:24 PM	#6
moogless26 Court Mage Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 49 Rep Power: 0	Re: learning about them ok so you're saying that when sora and roxas were on there own, and sora changed in a heartless there weren't created a second nobody?

07/21/08, 04:49 PM	#12
giggleyroxas Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: My mommy says i'm not allowed to tell you... Posts: 166 Rep Power: 1	Re: learning about them thats right :unsure: my bad

07/21/08, 05:48 PM	#13
Audo because you left. Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: BC \| Canada Age: 17 Posts: 12,662 Rep Power: 32	Re: learning about them First, the scene you are talking about is CoM. And you have it wrong too. They say that only two people had ever kept their will and sense of self as a Heartless, being Sora and Xehanort. The reason why this was is because they cast off their bodies on their own will. It was their choice. That was why they kept their sense of self. You're right about the Memories being transported to the Nobody as they are a heartless. This is why Nami, and Roxas, don't have memories of their past self. Nami and Roxas were created at the same time, when Sora turned the Heart Unlocker Keyblade on himself, release his and Kairi's hearts. Xemnas has memories of his life as Xehanort - Ansem's Apprentice. This is made clear when he talks to Ansem the Wise in TWTNW about the past as an apprentice, and how only a fool would study under him. When Xehanort became a Heartless, he did it on his own accord, while the other apprentices had their hearts taken from them without their choice. When he casted off his body, he created his Nobody Xemnas - Leader of Organization XIII, and his heartless - Xehanort's Heartless. But Xemnas, Nami and Roxas are all alike in that they are all considered "Special Nobodies"

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