Kairi - and how they could've done her better

[x3pic]

Originally Posted by Ansem827

It's not a keyblade, it's a floral fairy wand, thank you very much.

Its a keybalde...she may not be able to summon it, and riku just handed it to her..but its a keyblade..no where does it say its a fary wand

any whom..i don't think kairi is totally usless..seeing on how she is one of the PoH, important role in the first game. Without her Sora couldn't go through the first kh no? since sora did have he heart throught the whole game..and she retured sora back to normal when he became a heartless

In kh2, yes she was worthless..mega worthless, all she did was talk and get captured, i think they should have gave her a more important role, like idk something better lol

maybe in the next game she will be more active

[Gabo]

Its a keybalde...she may not be able to summon it, and riku just handed it to her..but its a keyblade..no where does it say its a fary wand

That's called sarcasm.

any whom..i don't think kairi is totally usless..seeing on how she is one of the PoH, important role in the first game. Without her Sora couldn't go through the first kh no? since sora did have he heart throught the whole game..and she retured sora back to normal when he became a heartless

Strawberries and Fairy Wings - The Princess

Read and be amazed.

She's useless.

[SufferingAngel]

......................I need to stop ranting. But it just comes out long ._.

Originally Posted by DaisyDuck

I find this rather amusing because Kairi appears to have about the same personality and depth as the early Disney Princesses, Snow White, Aurora, Cinderella (who's recently had more character development thrust upon her). The later ones, Jasmine, Belle, Ariel, have more personality and much better developed character.

I agree. That's why as far as Princesses go I like comparing Kairi to a Square-Enix Princess like FFVII's Aerith or even FFIX's Garnet.
And show she fails oh so badly ~_~;
Because she fills the Disney Princess role perfectly if you look at those three >_> but I knew few people who like them XD

In KH II Kairi appears to be going from a transition from the passive princess to a more active role. Awkward as it is I like to think it's setting her up for some serious character development.

Eh, no. The only active thing she did was try and keep from getting gang-banged by Shadow Heartless, and even then they were only Shadow Heartless and she had Riku backing her up.
Freaking Riku, Master o' Darkness, spank you very much.
And a second later said Keyblade disappeared.
the only thing more active about her was that this time she was awake during her period of captivity as opposed to KH1, so she could pet Pluto.

On one hand she's been their friend for a long time and they are obviously very attached to her, but there's no reason why. She not shown interacting with them save for the one flashback of her and Sora and and a few lines of dialog from Sora and Namine in CoM vaguely touching on how they were always together, there's nothing to show how she became so close to them. There's no reason for why she's his Light.

That's not true. The impression we get is that Namine was the one always there in Sora's made-up Memories of her. Namine can say whatever she wants, she was obviously brainwashed by the Organization about Kairi, and they had one heck of a wrong impression about Sora's relationship with Kairi, based on the fact he went to save her in KH1.
I think it actually comes to show how little Nobodies understand Hearts, even a unique Nobody like Namine.
We still don't get shown anything to truly support that claim, and as far as we see, Kairi still would've clung to Sora and not Riku.
If anything, she shuns Riku, which is a horrible flaw, since it's breaking up the main 'threesome'.
Even if you say it's because she's a PoH and he's Darkness-tainted, that's no excuse - you're using the plot to base that flaw.

This discontinuity is doubled with Riku because there is NO visible connection to him, yet she seems incredibly sensitive to his moods (she's the only one who noticed the change in him before the door opened and it scared her so badly that she wanted to get away from him),

That can be explained, like I said before, by her being a PoH and sensing the Darkness in him.
And prey tell, if she's such a wonderful friend and is sensitive to his moods -
Why did she tell Sora to leave Riku behind and go, just the two of them?
That goes along more with the PoH-sensing-Darkness theory, but again - that's just basing why Kairi isn't attached to Riku.

and he's the one who hunts her down in KH I. Even allying himself with Malficent to get the power he thought he needed to get her back.

Yes.
That's why he was ready to leave Kairi behind when the Islands disappeared - had Sora took his hand, they both would've disappeared and Kairi would've gone along with the Islands.
When he met Sora in Traverse Town, he didn't seem to care much, dissing it first as it being Sora's job to find her, and then further lowering the importance of finding her by saying

Hey, she's probably looking for us now!

Sora should just sit still, be quiet, and go along with Riku. Kairi'll show up sooner or later... or not. It doesn't seem to matter, especially in light of Riku's jealousy-issues, portrayed in the second part of that scene.
Riku used Kairi to hurt Sora because whenever he tried reaching for Sora - who was constantly with Donald and Goofy - Sora talked about Kairi.
So Riku, hurt and offended by Sora picking Donald and Goofy over him, took the one person who defiled his and Sora's Secret Place and whom Sora seems so interested in - and rubbed her in Sora's face how he doesn't care about either of them and is a failure as a friend.
Kairi was a means to an end in hurting Sora, nothing more.
Then we throw in the plot issue of the Darkness needing her, and poof - more than enough reasons for Riku to seemingly care, when he doesn't.

There really should have been an explanation for why they're so fixated on her.

True, true... but there wasn't.

Of course it could simply be chalked up to the fact the story is told from Sora's point of view and introspection is not something he's given to do. If we get some of the story from Riku's point of view in a future game (Coded, maybe, hopefully) some more flash backs and/or back story of how the trio came to be can be inserted without too much of what you so accurately called "a severe after-taste of "where the heck was that in KH1?!"

That is very untrue.
We have enough Sora-Riku flashbacks, and present day interaction.
We have enough Sora-Namine - again- flashbacks and present day interaction.
If we'll get to see things from Riku's point of view, it'll be a blessing.
However, seeing how Kairi is supposed to be Sora's romantic interest and we'll probably not see why she should care about Riku, the flaws hold.
Riku caring a bit about her in any way would be bonus point for him, not her.

Originally Posted by AsYrsGoBy

ASA will make mincemeat out of you.
xD

Did I live up to your expectations? XD

Originally Posted by x3pic

any whom..i don't think kairi is totally usless..seeing on how she is one of the PoH, important role in the first game. Without her Sora couldn't go through the first kh no? since sora did have he heart throught the whole game..and she retured sora back to normal when he became a heartless

Eh, no.
A PoH isn't even that important in the first game, otherwise I doubt Ansem would've been able to say how he couldn't care less about them.
We only got to see them for a whole of 10 minutes throughout the game. That's called - useless in the long run.
Also, Sora had his own Heart. He also had Kairi's Heart.
And then Kairi, being a Princess of Heart, recalled him from being a Heartless.
Seeing how the other six Princesses combined managed to hold the Darkness back, I think they could've brought back the Keyblade Master if they tried.
Kairi just beat them to it, that's all.

In kh2, yes she was worthless..mega worthless, all she did was talk and get captured, i think they should have gave her a more important role, like idk something better lol

Like what?

maybe in the next game she will be more active

Originally Posted by AsYrsGoBy

Strawberries and Fairy Wings - The Princess

Read and be amazed.

She's useless.

Hot damn, advertisement XD and you sound like I managed to affect your opinion o,o

She'll be in the next game, alright... but I doubt it'll get better.

[Zoidberg!]

Originally Posted by Guardian Soul

tl;dr.

Nobody cares about her, she's just there so fanboys will have something to fap over.

QFT

I completely agree.

So, yeah.

[x3pic]

Originally Posted by AsYrsGoBy

That's called sarcasm.




Strawberries and Fairy Wings - The Princess

Read and be amazed.

She's useless.

I know its called sarcasm, but thanks for trying to tutor me

If you didn't read my whole post i kinda said she was useless, but thanks for reading as well

[DaisyDuck]

I really should have learned by now that no matter what actually happens in the game, the people on this forum are so wrapped up in themselves they can't see from anyone else's point of view.

[Reflection]

http://forums.khinsider.com/versus/1...vs-namine.html
I really don't think another thread is necessary.

This all depends on what you expect. What you define as "better".

I've yet to hear from someone who doesn't see a point in bashing a fictional character and appreciates every character, their unique traits, and contributions to the plot.
Is that really asking for too much?

These threads make me sad.

[SufferingAngel]

Originally Posted by DaisyDuck

I really should have learned by now that no matter what actually happens in the game, the people on this forum are so wrapped up in themselves they can't see from anyone else's point of view.

It's called debating. You can do what I did, read what I wrote, and try to prove me I'm wrong.
If you don't want to do that, that's up to you.

Originally Posted by Reflection

http://forums.khinsider.com/versus/1...vs-namine.html
I really don't think another thread is necessary.

This all depends on what you expect. What you define as "better".

I've yet to hear from someone who doesn't see a point in bashing a fictional character and appreciates every character, their unique traits, and contributions to the plot.
Is that really asking for too much?

These threads make me sad.

orz that's because no one read the thread's point past me explaining why I dislike her.
It has nothing to do with the other thread.
We were supposed to raise how we can possibly make her better, not outright bash her.

[HadesDragon]

They could have made Kairi better by making her more like this:

[SufferingAngel]

Originally Posted by HadesDragon

They could have made Kairi better by making her more like this:

Oh gods, that episode X_X IT was... so amazing and yet horrible at the same time (content wise, not quality wise).

That's actually a way for them to redeem Kairi in the future - have her "get blinded by the Light", steal a Keyblade, and start hunting down anyone with Darkness in their Hearts. Anyone.

[Glaurung]

Originally Posted by HadesDragon

They could have made Kairi better by making her more like this:

Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!!
Kairi needs to be more kick-ass, like that!

[HadesDragon]

Originally Posted by SufferingAngel

Oh gods, that episode X_X IT was... so amazing and yet horrible at the same time (content wise, not quality wise).

That's actually a way for them to redeem Kairi in the future - have her "get blinded by the Light", steal a Keyblade, and start hunting down anyone with Darkness in their Hearts. Anyone.

>: Wait, you watch Code Geass? =D I thought nobody would get the reference. Also, yes, very yes

Originally Posted by Ansem827

Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!!
Kairi needs to be more kick-ass, like that!

:3 Having her become a mass murderer would be delicious.

[Gabo]

They could have made Kairi better by making her more like this:

The video isn't showing up on my computer...
I'm assuming you're talking about that video with the other video game characters and Kairi pretty much pawned people with the keyblade?

[SufferingAngel]

Originally Posted by HadesDragon

>: Wait, you watch Code Geass? =D I thought nobody would get the reference. Also, yes, very yes

I watched the first season and was inlove with it. Did the second season finish airing? I've a habit of only watching fully released shows, since I like marathoning otherwise I kind of lose interest.

And Kairi being 'blinded by the Light' would be ideal, I think.

1. Would give her more depth and character development.
2. Would give us a better insight into her interaction with Riku since she'll probably go after him the most
3. Would give us a better insight into her interaction with Sora since his motive is forgiveness while she's a hunter. Sort of like Sora going with the "Light" against Riku in KH1, only now he'll go with the "Darkness" for that is humane.

[HadesDragon]

Originally Posted by SufferingAngel

I watched the first season and was inlove with it. Did the second season finish airing? I've a habit of only watching fully released shows, since I like marathoning otherwise I kind of lose interest.

I get what you mean. xD I see I'm not the only one who likes to marathon shows. I did that with the first season of CG and man was it awesome.

And erm, no, R2 is still airing (episode 15 airs this Sunday. =/ I have to say I don't think it's on the same level as R1, though in retrospect maybe I had marathoned it after it was fully released I might be thinking otherwise. And well, to be fair, it hasn't ended yet, so it could get better.

And Kairi being 'blinded by the Light' would be ideal, I think.

1. Would give her more depth and character development.
2. Would give us a better insight into her interaction with Riku since she'll probably go after him the most
3. Would give us a better insight into her interaction with Sora since his motive is forgiveness while she's a hunter. Sort of like Sora going with the "Light" against Riku in KH1, only now he'll go with the "Darkness" for that is humane.

:3 Agreed.

The video isn't showing up on my computer...
I'm assuming you're talking about that video with the other video game characters and Kairi pretty much pawned people with the keyblade?

It's not a video. It's a gif file. And it's not from KH, it's from Code Geass. Here:http://orz.gurochan.net/req/src/1211245646437.gif

Can you see it now?