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Old 06/29/08, 07:11 AM   #46
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this is kinda going in a tangent but, couldnt she be a spy or something secret. that works with the first points as well as the organization knowing more of soras whereabouts...if this is right then she is still somewhere
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Old 06/29/08, 08:31 AM   #47
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Enough of Ven and Xehanort - let's gossip about Member XIV!

Alright.
While I wouldn't consider this a real theory, if you want you can do so.
And I'm not pretending to be the first to come up with this idea, I'm sure, but so far I haven't seen it being thought of on the boards so I thought I might as well give it a shot.



Things We Know About Org Member XIV.
-She is a girl (WOW)
-She isn't Naminé
-She was brought into the Organization by Xemnas
-Was still called Organization XIII even with her in it.
-She doesn't have a "grave" in The Castle That Never Was
-She doesn't have a chair in "Where Nothing Meets" (Meeting Room)
-For some reason (*cough*Making crap up afterwards, Nomura*cough*) the other Organization Members don't mention her once in KH2.

Alright, so I'm going to lay it out nice and simple. Organization Member XIV is not a Nobody. SAY WHAT? I know. Such mind numbing information, eh?

Well, let's dive into what little proof we do have.

Seeing as how this is a character that will have had no mention, no reference, or no serious role (as far as we know) so far in the Kingdom Heart series that pretty much means that the only real proof we will get regarding XIV is in 358/2 Days. It doesn't leave us much wiggle-room in terms of theories, but we'll do our best right?

Alright, I'm going to go through each of the points above just to refresh everyone's memories and also to add in what this could mean if XIV was in fact not a Nobody.

-She is a Girl-
This much has been confirmed by Nomura. This doesn't necessarily prove why she isn't a Nobody. While, it may be worth noting that in KH, girls seem to have weaker hearts in comparison to men (I'm referring to how there are 2 Girl Nobodies and 12 Male Nobodies), and while I would never even consider this to be legitimate proof, perhaps we should take that into account on why she may not be a Nobody.

-She Isn't Naminé-
This much is obvious. Based on the time-line of the game (End of KH1, through CoM, before KH2), it is relatively impossible for the XIVth member to be Naminé unless she joined and was kicked out during the small time of the end of KH1 and the beginning of CoM. None of this matters though as it has been confirmed by Nomura that she isn't Naminé:

I just wanted to make that as clear as possible, lol, moving on.

-She Was Brought in By Xemnas-
Alright, we know good ol' XIVth was brought in by Xemnas as he was seen explaining to the rest of the Organization that she is now a part of the group. Also (and this is more in the terms of speculation), I believe the Organization stopped looking for additional Nobodies to be members after Roxas joined. Whether there was simply a "dry-spell" of fresh Nobodies or if they were just content with the amount of members that they had, I believe that they stopped looking for new members. There isn't much proof to base this on other than that no additional members had joined during the course of KH2. This is most likely why they settled on the finite name of Organization XIII.
Alright, why I think it is important that Xemnas was the one who brought her in:
-If he knew her (yes all you crazy Aqua theorists) then he would let her in.
-If she wasn't a Nobody but he knew her and for one reason or another, needed to be in the Organization, no one would question Xemnas on her becoming a member, giving her the Superior's protection.

More on that a bit later though.

-Was Still Called Organization XIII-
There isn't much i can add on this subject, based on my ideas from above on why it would stay Org XIII. In terms of her being complete it could mean that they didn't change it to XIV because she wasn't a Nobody (though that raises the question that the others would know). Here is my other possible scenario:
-You need to be a member for a certain period of time before the Organization number changes.
-I know, you're a little shocked, going "huh?" lol (probably not but whatever).
-In Chain of Memories, none of the members call it 'Organization XIII' they simply call it the Organization. Maybe you need to be a member for a certain time before they officially accept you as a permanent member? This would explain why the CoM Members aren't set on a number because either they aren't sure if Roxas will last, or since they are away from the main HQ they don't know who has joined. So they simply refer to it as the Organization.
-Here is a little Nomura quote about 358/2 Days that might help stress my point a bit.

-He says that Roxas entering the Organization isn't understood yet, which implies that there was more to it than what we know from KH2 and KH2:FM+. It's a bit of a stretch, but it's a work in progress in terms of an idea.

-She's "Grave-less"-
Besides this pointing out how Nomura has a tendency to make things up as he goes, this could also help in terms of the 'not a Nobody' idea. If she wasn't a real Nobody would she have her own designated room of the castle? While it again implies that the other Member would have known it could also mean that Xemnas knew she wasn't a Nobody and as such didn't make her a room for he knew that she had a specific purpose. Perhaps he was just lazy. Or, in regards to my comment above, maybe she had yet to become a 'permanent member' of the Organization and therefore didn't have a room yet? Either way, she would still be under Xemnas' protection, assuming he would have known that she wasn't a Nobody and that they were friends and all.

-She Doesn't Have a Chair-
I don't know if everyone caught this one, and there is a chance I miss interpretated the translation but have a look:

I took the translation to mean she didn't have a Pillar-Chair in the meeting room, but he could also be referring to the 'graves'. Your thoughts? (Reasons for why this may be are similar to above).

-The Other Members Don't Mention Her-
This one is one of the most obvious of the bunch that shows Nomura's making it up along the way, but for arguments sake let's say he didn't. Why wouldn't the Org. Members have mentioned her? Sure, they didn't mention any of the CoM members, and they were busy with other things, but seeing as how XIVth was in the Organization and now isn't for whatever reasons (most likely due to traitorism on someone's part. I mean, she allegedly was the reason why Roxas quit the Org, sound pretty traitor like)., you would have though that they would be talking about her all the time. Another instance of a traitor. So, why don't they mention her? It seems it would have easily been in the same breath as Roxas in terms of leaving the Org. Hmmm...


Now, I'm not even attempting to pass this off as a theory based on a majority of it is speculation/thoughts based on what little evidence we do have. But i would love to hear your guy's thoughts on the whole situation. =]
lol This makes lots of sence and I got nothing to say but I agree with ya, now lets hope ya right.
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Old 06/29/08, 10:28 AM   #48
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Well, Namine could have helped the XIV erased the Organization members memories.
She might have done something very bad and is the Org. target.
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Old 06/29/08, 10:32 AM   #49
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Well, Namine could have helped the XIV erased the Organization members memories.
She might have done something very bad and is the Org. target.
Hmm, I don't know.
Given that the Organization Member's don't have hearts to erase the memories from, it may be hard.
And we have to remember that Nami can only alter the hearts/memories of Sora and those connected to him via his heart so that might rule out the Org members. But that's an interesting idea for sure, I hadn't thought of it before.
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Old 06/29/08, 10:39 AM   #50
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tl;dr

No, jk ^^ Ive read the most important parts.

Well, good job, but there is nothing to add.

I have to agree with your opinion.
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