Ven's heart and Sora's heart.

[PostMentalFerocity]

Originally Posted by Grace Assassin

Oh, funny:

Looks like you're not too sure what you're talking about.

I am sure. You're actually trying to take what I say out of context now. Did you not see the second sentence of that quote?

Right. Because it's necessary for life. It isn't life itself.

Is this all were arguing? Because it seems to me we're saying the same thing, just wording it differently.

I'm afraid there's nothing to like then considering that I'm using actual proof.

From?

... If a soul "dies," then that would mean that it has its own life. >_>

[facepalm]

And where, might I ask, did you find in or out of the game something that says a soul dies anyway? DBZ, perhaps?

Why are you bringing DBZ into this? DBZ=irrelevant.

So? You're ignoring what I'm saying. You need a heart to be alive too.

I never said you didn't. We're both agreeing that the heart is the proof of life. All I'm saying is that your heart doesn't necessarily need to be in you. As long as it's in existence. [again, not in the nobody sense]

But the person is not alive.

Yeah, it falls into the category of non-existence. I'm arguing the case of the soul. Anything else is irrelevant.

Oh, the difference is that I know there's nothing wrong with being wrong, I just know when I am too. And that's not now.

So you say.

You're saying that soul is life, not that it creates life, bluntly put.

So I take it you understand what I mean then?

Yeah, really.

Quite not.

What happened to knowing when you're wrong? BTW, do you happen to be oathkeepersoravalor over at KHU?

No. That's Sean. [Box_ghost over here.] We use this[PMF] account together sometimes. He doesn't really come on alot anymore. He quit KHU because he feels that...well, they're idiots. I don't exactly blame him either.

OK. Respond to each of these. Agree or disagree and explain why. Do not beat around the bush and refer to something you said unless it is relevant.

1. A heart is proof of life.

I agree. Confirmed.

2. Nobodies have bodies and souls, but don't have hearts. Heartless are created from hearts, but don't have souls.

I think that as long as the part is in existence they're still alive. It's like this.

O-O-O

Each "O" represents a piece of a person. Body, Soul, and Heart respectively.

Even when separated, they're connected. [That's the "-"]

When the "O" representing the Soul is removed from the body, all of it dies.

The "O" representing the heart can be removed from the body. It's still existing. But if it's not with the body and soul, it cant prove that its other half is alive, so the other half resorts to non-existence until otherwise proven. But the heart is still alive. If the heart is still alive, that means it CAN still prove that its other half is still alive given the right scenario.

But once the body and soul separate, its over for all three pieces.

3. Because you believe a life is a soul, a heart being proof of soul would apply as well. Simple replacing of "Life" with "soul." (If you don't agree with this, then a life can't be a soul, obviously)

Now, you're just splitting hairs about words.

Life as in life energy.Chi, Ki, Chakra, Whatever. The substance on which the body and heart thrive. It gives life, therefore is life.

Heart proves that youre alive; hence proof of life. If you have soul, you have life. Hence, soul=life.

4. Because Nobodies and Heartless are exceptions to "a heart is a proof of a soul," this theory is wrong.

The theory isn't wrong. You disagree with the "Ven could be alive because his heart is believed to be in Roxas" part; which I totally don't support. Never have. I used in in the context by saying "It COULD explain said situation" but anyone who knows my views on Ven's heart, KNOWS I don't believe that Ven's heart in Roxas crap.

That's referring to Nobodies. When you lose your heart, "the being does not perish." This has nothing to do with death. As said earlier, Nobodies are non-existent, and thus are not alive.

This we've been agreeing on. Why do you keep bringing this up?

But they CAN die. When the soul is removed. Then they die, otherwise, they are in a perpetual state of non-existence. This has been said from the beginning.

[EyeOfDiscovery]

Originally Posted by gotegenks

i heard somewhere that in the fm+ terra fight that he says "i didn't pick you" or something like that so do you think he wouldve said that if he had indeed "engraved" vens heart inside sora?

AHA! I get it!

Something just came to light in me.. Let's say Terra was THE qualified keyblader of VAT..
3 parts of the body.. You only need the one to live right PMF? So lets say these can be 'shared'. Think fruit..

Terra has 2 spare parts of himself.. If he gave one to Aqua and one to Ven then they could become keyblade wielders, also suggesting QUALIFIED keyblade wielders can give up to 3 people keyblade wielding rights.. Terra gave 1 to Ven (Lets say the heart), 1 to aqua (Let's say the body) and the other to Riku (The SOUL). The soul being the most powerful (Or whichever is most powerful) meaning Riku became a semi-qualified keyblade. Because Riku, Kairi and Sora became best friends and almost soul mates they became linked.
This could show if a qualified or semi-qualified keyblade wielder has a strong enough bond with their friends, they can partly pass on keyblade wielding rights.

Woo.. And that is why Terra says he didn't choose Sora

[Ragnarok]

*sighs* I hate theories.........theyre all about discussing the same thing....

[gotegenks]

Originally Posted by EyeOfDiscovery

AHA! I get it!

Something just came to light in me.. Let's say Terra was THE qualified keyblader of VAT..
3 parts of the body.. You only need the one to live right PMF? So lets say these can be 'shared'. Think fruit..

Terra has 2 spare parts of himself.. If he gave one to Aqua and one to Ven then they could become keyblade wielders, also suggesting QUALIFIED keyblade wielders can give up to 3 people keyblade wielding rights.. Terra gave 1 to Ven (Lets say the heart), 1 to aqua (Let's say the body) and the other to Riku (The SOUL). The soul being the most powerful (Or whichever is most powerful) meaning Riku became a semi-qualified keyblade. Because Riku, Kairi and Sora became best friends and almost soul mates they became linked.
This could show if a qualified or semi-qualified keyblade wielder has a strong enough bond with their friends, they can partly pass on keyblade wielding rights.

Woo.. And that is why Terra says he didn't choose Sora

ehh, i don't know if i like that idea of "giving keyblade rights to people" because it sounds like ven and aqua cheated or something, like they don't have strong enough hearts for the keyblade.

[gotegenks]

Originally Posted by ::Venn::

*sighs* I hate theories.........theyre all about discussing the same thing....

then get off of "future of kingdom hearts" threads...

[Dexel]

Originally Posted by EyeOfDiscovery

AHA! I get it!

Something just came to light in me.. Let's say Terra was THE qualified keyblader of VAT..
3 parts of the body.. You only need the one to live right PMF? So lets say these can be 'shared'. Think fruit..

Terra has 2 spare parts of himself.. If he gave one to Aqua and one to Ven then they could become keyblade wielders, also suggesting QUALIFIED keyblade wielders can give up to 3 people keyblade wielding rights.. Terra gave 1 to Ven (Lets say the heart), 1 to aqua (Let's say the body) and the other to Riku (The SOUL). The soul being the most powerful (Or whichever is most powerful) meaning Riku became a semi-qualified keyblade. Because Riku, Kairi and Sora became best friends and almost soul mates they became linked.
This could show if a qualified or semi-qualified keyblade wielder has a strong enough bond with their friends, they can partly pass on keyblade wielding rights.

Woo.. And that is why Terra says he didn't choose Sora

If you're going to make a theory, make a thread about the theory, instead of making the theory in another theory.

[PostMentalFerocity]

Originally Posted by I<3Roxas

OMG PMF, you're going against yourself here. In many other instances, you say that the LS fight isn't important but what he says is, and in it he clearly stated that Sora wasn't meant to get the keyblade.

Yes. But that doesn't necessarily mean I'm contradicting myself. Because if you play KH1, you'd know that Sora wasn't supposed to get that Keyblade. It was supposed to go to Riku.

Now you turn around and say that Terra thought Sora would get one?

I don't remember saying that.

Is this PMF having internal conflict or is Terra not sure of what he wants? I predict that you will say that what Terra wanted was RIku to have the keyblade, but he knew that Sora would have it anyways, but that is a little farfetched if you ask me.

What? Get your weight up kid.

For this particular theory alone, I used a variable saying that Terra MIGHT have engraved Ven's heart in Sora. On my theory scale, this is rather low. So low, I don't even consider it a theory. I had a passing thought and I decided to post it.

Please know what you're talking about before you pretend to know what I'm talking about.

Something just came to light in me.. Let's say Terra was THE qualified keyblader of VAT..
3 parts of the body.. You only need the one to live right PMF? So lets say these can be 'shared'. Think fruit..

Terra has 2 spare parts of himself.. If he gave one to Aqua and one to Ven then they could become keyblade wielders, also suggesting QUALIFIED keyblade wielders can give up to 3 people keyblade wielding rights.. Terra gave 1 to Ven (Lets say the heart), 1 to aqua (Let's say the body) and the other to Riku (The SOUL). The soul being the most powerful (Or whichever is most powerful) meaning Riku became a semi-qualified keyblade. Because Riku, Kairi and Sora became best friends and almost soul mates they became linked.
This could show if a qualified or semi-qualified keyblade wielder has a strong enough bond with their friends, they can partly pass on keyblade wielding rights

Without a soul, his heart and body die as does the soul.

*sighs* I hate theories.........theyre all about discussing the same thing....

Then I'd kindly like for you to get the hell out of my thread. There was no need for you to come in here, spam about how you don't like theories; IN the section FOR theories no less, bitching aboyut how you don't like theories, when, quite frankly, it's all this section is. Leave the thread and leave the section is that's not so hard.

^_^ Have a nice day.

[EyeOfDiscovery]

Without a soul, his heart and body die as does the soul.


But what If Keyblade Masters can 'bypass' this?
Lets say.. If the kingdom key can kill heartless or enemies they must release a heart? The hearts killed with that particular keyblade could be stored in case someone dies and then they could use a heart from the keyblade to ressurect them?

[Golden Knight]

^ They can't by pass it. Deal wich it.lol

The only powers that the ketblade masters have is to wield a keybalde.

[KCDjedi]

Originally Posted by EyeOfDiscovery

Without a soul, his heart and body die as does the soul.


But what If Keyblade Masters can 'bypass' this?
Lets say.. If the kingdom key can kill heartless or enemies they must release a heart? The hearts killed with that particular keyblade could be stored in case someone dies and then they could use a heart from the keyblade to ressurect them?

You're talking about bypassing the death of a heart..... which is not what your quote was referring to.
When the SOUL is taken away from the heart and body, all three die.

When the HEART is taken away, as you are thinking, the person splits into a Heartless and a Nobody (the Nobody has both the Body and the Soul).

When any of these things DIES then the other two will as well.
So far, we haven't actually seen a single DEATH throughout the whole series if my memory serves me.
Hearts are non-transferable in the sense of a real-life heart transplant, since they each clearly belong to a singular individual and they make that person tick.
Hearts in KH are not just the physical pieces of the body, they are something significantly more than that.

[madammina]

Originally Posted by KCDjedi

So far, we haven't actually seen a single DEATH throughout the whole series if my memory serves me.

Just for the sake of argument, both Barbossa and Scar died. And the Organization, but that might not count because they were nobodies.

[KCDjedi]

Originally Posted by madammina

Just for the sake of argument, both Barbossa and Scar died. And the Organization, but that might not count because they were nobodies.

I'll let you have those two.

Nobodies don't die though, they do something entirely different.

[PostMentalFerocity]

Originally Posted by KCDjedi

I'll let you have those two.

Nobodies don't die though, they do something entirely different.

The non-exist. They're not alive, but not dead.

[Riku-Keyblade]

Originally Posted by KCDjedi

I'll let you have those two.

Nobodies don't die though, they do something entirely different.

They fade back into the darkness from once they came =3.
Least, Yen Sid seems to think so.

Thread bumpage.
It appears I had yet to post in this thread, odd.

[PostMentalFerocity]

Originally Posted by Riku-Keyblade

They fade back into the darkness from once they came =3.
Least, Yen Sid seems to think so.

Thread bumpage.
It appears I had yet to post in this thread, odd.

PMF can because he's PMF. His thread. X|
Wanted your opinion on something anyway. I'm just waiting on one more person's opinion, then I can lock